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post #4561 of 5070
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Originally Posted by djams View Post

I think you've identified the problem. Your port adaptor is not rated for high-speed HDMI.

It's odd though because it was from Monoprice and their website says it works with HDMI 1.3, should have no effect on the picture, and there are lots of positive comments from satisfied customers with nobody mentioning that it doesn't support 1080p. But I can live without it so no big deal to me.
post #4562 of 5070
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Originally Posted by mbrennem View Post

It's odd though because it was from Monoprice and their website says it works with HDMI 1.3, should have no effect on the picture, and there are lots of positive comments from satisfied customers with nobody mentioning that it doesn't support 1080p. But I can live without it so no big deal to me.

Glad it's not a "show stopper" for you

It's interesting that monoprice is stating "works with HDMI 1.3" - they're not supposed to do that. Cables/adapters are not "version specific", but are classified by the data rate they can handle. Here are the types:

Standard HDMI Cable - up to 1080i and 720p
Standard HDMI Cable with Ethernet
High Speed HDMI Cable - 1080p, 4K, 3D and Deep Color
High Speed HDMI Cable with Ethernet
post #4563 of 5070
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Originally Posted by djams View Post

Glad it's not a "show stopper" for you

It's interesting that monoprice is stating "works with HDMI 1.3" - they're not supposed to do that. Cables/adapters are not "version specific", but are classified by the data rate they can handle. Here are the types:

Standard HDMI Cable - up to 1080i and 720p
Standard HDMI Cable with Ethernet
High Speed HDMI Cable - 1080p, 4K, 3D and Deep Color
High Speed HDMI Cable with Ethernet

Damn djams, you beat me to it, again

According to HDMI Licensing, LLC, starting in January 2012, manufacturers and dealers are not supposed to be listing version numbers because it is meaningless and confusing. All you need to do is decide what you want your HDMI cable to do and then pick from the specs that djams listed above. Most of us will be fine just buying a High Speed HDMI Cable that is certified because the specs will be beyond what is current now anyway. And, you don't need to spend $30+ per cable (like the "M" brand). I spent around $10 for 6', High Speed HDMI Certified cables. For those of you taking notes, the High Speed, certified specs are:

Deep Color
xvYCC Color
ARC (Audio Return Channel)
4K, 1440p, 1080i/p, 720p, 480i/p
3D
HDCP Compliant
340Mhz or up to 10.2Gbps
Ethernet (optional)

High Speed is also supposed to handle Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio better as well.

There is actually a fifth HDMI standard but that is for automotive. If you buy from a reputable dealer you should be ok as long as they are certified.
post #4564 of 5070
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Originally Posted by Otto Pylot View Post

What are you talking about? There is absolutely no need to go to the service menu on the 550 because you won't find any help there. Just calibrate your LG with the AVS HD709 disk or one of you're own choosing.

Thanks, Otto, for your suggestion re. calibrating with the AVS disc. I shall have to try it. In the meantime, with my LD550 I have a fairly decent mix of brightness, contrast, and a proper color balance - between red and yellow/green in particular - producing a pretty clean mix for un-made up faces, skin tones of arms and necks that match reality. It's really not easy but, while I am fairly satisfied with what I've now got, golf greens & fairways, baseball diamonds and football (soccer) pitches tend towards being over-saturated greens. What is the answer other than going the calibration route which, I suspect is not going to correct this issue without tinkering with deeper adjustments. We'll see. T.
post #4565 of 5070
On another subject, I've bitten the bullet and returned the Panasonic TCL37E3. It was beginning to have quite intrusive light leaks at the bottom and the right side (the infernal LED prob); moreover while the remote menu was very easy and intuitively responsive to changes, after 2 weeks of tinkering I was not able to achieve a decent color balance - particularly for skin tones - that served all channels, consistently and all the time. I cannot recommend that set, though it does have the IPS panel and produces a fairly sharp good-looking image in HD and is nicely designed.

My son-in-law in the Bay Area found a LG 37LV3500 at Fry's which, those of you who've read my posts here for several weeks, is the one I always wanted - but with the ISP panel. His find had the elusive "Y" in forth position and he bought it for me. Now the hunt is on for a box so he can double-box it for UPS & have it shipped to me in New Mexico. This doesn't seem to be an easy endeavor but I imagine that in time he, or my daughter, will succeed in their search. My Kingdom for a Box!!? T.
post #4566 of 5070
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Originally Posted by tomstan View Post

Thanks, Otto, for your suggestion re. calibrating with the AVS disc. I shall have to try it. In the meantime, with my LD550 I have a fairly decent mix of brightness, contrast, and a proper color balance - between red and yellow/green in particular - producing a pretty clean mix for un-made up faces, skin tones of arms and necks that match reality. It's really not easy but, while I am fairly satisfied with what I've now got, golf greens & fairways, baseball diamonds and football (soccer) pitches tend towards being over-saturated greens. What is the answer other than going the calibration route which, I suspect is not going to correct this issue without tinkering with deeper adjustments. We'll see. T.

The only "deeper adjustments" you can make would be with instruments and a computer. To my knowledge, there are no "service menu" adjustments that can be made. That's the beauty of these LGs is that the calibration options are fairly extensive if you've got the time, knowledge, and toys
post #4567 of 5070
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Originally Posted by tomstan View Post

Thanks, Otto, for your suggestion re. calibrating with the AVS disc. I shall have to try it. In the meantime, with my LD550 I have a fairly decent mix of brightness, contrast, and a proper color balance - between red and yellow/green in particular - producing a pretty clean mix for un-made up faces, skin tones of arms and necks that match reality. It's really not easy but, while I am fairly satisfied with what I've now got, golf greens & fairways, baseball diamonds and football (soccer) pitches tend towards being over-saturated greens. What is the answer other than going the calibration route which, I suspect is not going to correct this issue without tinkering with deeper adjustments. We'll see. T.

Just a few words to try and help. Thomas, if you haven't already tried it, use of the free AVS HD709 Blu-ray media may help in making better settings to your TVs including better saturation or color brightness options. The two are related, yet different technically in what they accomplish for better color balance.

Also, if you are familiar with the isf Expert1 or Expert2 menus in the LG, in particular, you can try the AVS HD709 Blu-ray disc to make the best Contrast (White level), Brightness (Black level), Back light, etc to first get the best gray scale you can. Then, using the same AVS HD709 media, primary color adjusts can be made and and also secondary Yellow, Cyan and Magenta.

In the meantime, if you want to try, you can go into the Color Management area of the LG Advanced Control menu (with isf Expert selected) and try lowering the Green Color in the -5 to -10 range and also the Green Tint in the same range and see if it helps reduce any "neon" greens for gold. This is assuming main color in the basic settings is at no more than "50". This value, "50" in the basic video menu should be the starting point for all adjusts and not need to be changed if all other settings are properly made using the fore mentioned AVS HD709 media.

Here is a link to download and accomplish this:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=948496


Lasatly, here is a link for a plethora of information on setting gray scale and why it is the required first step in getting proper color as you probably already know. Please excuse the "title" of the article, as it is in no way a comment on your knowledge or talents!

http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10457
post #4568 of 5070
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Originally Posted by Phase700B View Post
Just a few words to try and help. Thomas, if you haven't already tried it, use of the free AVS HD709 Blu-ray media may help in making better settings to your TVs including better saturation or color brightness options. The two are related, yet different technically in what they accomplish for better color balance.

Also, if you are familiar with the isf Expert1 or Expert2 menus in the LG, in particular, you can try the AVS HD709 Blu-ray disc to make the best Contrast (White level), Brightness (Black level), Back light, etc to first get the best gray scale you can. Then, using the same AVS HD709 media, primary color adjusts can be made and and also secondary Yellow, Cyan and Magenta.

In the meantime, if you want to try, you can go into the Color Management area of the LG Advanced Control menu (with isf Expert selected) and try lowering the Green Color in the -5 to -10 range and also the Green Tint in the same range and see if it helps reduce any "neon" greens for gold. This is assuming main color in the basic settings is at no more than "50". This value, "50" in the basic video menu should be the starting point for all adjusts and not need to be changed if all other settings are properly made using the fore mentioned AVS HD709 media.

Here is a link to download and accomplish this:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=948496


Lasatly, here is a link for a plethora of information on setting gray scale and why it is the required first step in getting proper color as you probably already know. Please excuse the "title" of the article, as it is in no way a comment on your knowledge or talents!

http://www.curtpalme.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10457
Phase:

Thank you very much for your thorough exploration of this issue, coupled to detailed instructions. I do appreciate it. We all are truly indebted to you for your knowledge and your unflagging helpfulness to all and sundry. Saludos.

In time, when the dust & fires settle around here I shall really have to get into it. For the nonce, however, whether you believe it or not, I do not yet have a BD player which, presumably, one would need to work the calibration discs. You may well wonder about this. The truth of the matter is that, by virtue of my many years in the business, I am still sent screeners of the annual movie crop. Said screeners are mostly DVD's, partially because they're brought out in a hurry, often quite a while before commercial release, and, among other reasons, for economic consideration, universal playability etc. And, while I realize DVD's also play on BD players and would probably produce a superior image on the LD550, I feel that, for the time being, my Sony player does a decent enough of a job. When it dies I shall indubitably join the BD mob.

In any case, I shall print out your invaluable advice for future reference. Thanks also to Otto for his input to help me along. Thomas
post #4569 of 5070
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by tomstan View Post
Phase:

Thank you very much for your thorough exploration of this issue, coupled to detailed instructions. I do appreciate it. . . .

In time, when the dust & fires settle around here I shall really have to get into it. I realize DVD's also play on BD players and would probably produce a superior image on the LD550, I feel that, for the time being, my Sony player does a decent enough of a job. When it dies I shall indubitably join the BD mob.

In any case, I shall print out your invaluable advice for future reference. Thanks also to Otto for his input to help me along. Thomas
There is an alternative or two. One being the AVIA II DVD for optimizing picture elements. I have the AVIA first edition and it still serves me as a comparison to my other calibration techniques. This can also serve as a good check in a Blu-ray player to verify standard definition performance.

Here is a link to one vendor:

http://www.amazon.com/Avia-II-Artist...1114411&sr=8-1
post #4570 of 5070
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Originally Posted by Phase700B View Post

There is an alternative or two. One being the AVIA II DVD for optimizing picture elements. I have the AVIA first edition and it still serves me as a comparison to my other calibration techniques. This can also serve as a good check in a Blu-ray player to verify standard definition performance.

Here is a link to one vendor:

http://www.amazon.com/Avia-II-Artist...1114411&sr=8-1

Phase: You write ".... This can also serve as a good check in a Blu-ray player to verify standard definition performance." But I don't have one yet. T.
post #4571 of 5070
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by tomstan View Post

Phase: You write ".... This can also serve as a good check in a Blu-ray player to verify standard definition performance." But I don't have one yet. T.

Sorry, yes it CAN be used in a Blu-ray player to verify regular standard DVD playback when you get one. In the meantime, you can use it in a regular DVD player for setting picture elements up.
post #4572 of 5070
i have been reading some of the posts here and its amazing how this thread goes long way enough to discuss about this tv. i am pretty sure my purchase is worth it!! i just bought this tv a couple of months ago and i just want to learn more about it. i am currently using Phase's settings which was discussed somewhere here i think in the first pages of this thread haha... anyway, i am very happy i found this thread.. very nice... at least i know i can ask anyone of you guys regarding this very nice lcd.. thanks...
post #4573 of 5070
Which one?
post #4574 of 5070
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Originally Posted by Phase700B View Post

Sorry, yes it CAN be used in a Blu-ray player to verify regular standard DVD playback when you get one. In the meantime, you can use it in a regular DVD player for setting picture elements up.

Ah,so! Thanks. Thomas
post #4575 of 5070
I just got the 42LK520 which I think is similar to these models, there is a Game mode option should I always use that for my Xbox 360 and PS3?

And what does Game mode do?

Thanks
post #4576 of 5070
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by lucius View Post

I just got the 42LK520 which I think is similar to these models, there is a Game mode option should I always use that for my Xbox 360 and PS3?

And what does Game mode do?

Thanks

Yes, most if not all of the functions and TV menus are the same in th new 2011 LK series as they are in the 2010 LD series. You may want to read the first couple of posts in this thread for some info and settings to try out.

The Game Picture mode is optimized for game systems in some of it's default settings. If you wish, you can and should at least turn down the back light to the 35 to 45 range. Then adjust your other settings. The best thing to do is download the AVS HD709 AVHCD test disc to make your settings. Always let your TV warm up for about 30 minutes before making or changing any settings.

This should get you started, but stop back and many of us here can help with your questions. Congratulations on your new TV!
post #4577 of 5070
Hello All,

Just got delivery on my new 47LD520 on Tuesday and have been fooling around with the settings the past couple of days. I had a 47LBX, which to this day, still has the best viewing angle and TruMotion 120hz of any LCD TV I have ever seen, to bad the panel went bad but I had the extended warranty and got the 47LD520 as the replacement.

Initial reaction is that this is a great tv, especially for well under $1000. TruMotion is something that I think LG took a step back with. The 47LBX was excellent!!! none of that soap opera effect at all. With this set, and just about every other brand, on low you get that soap opera effect but I set TruMotion to User with judder at 0 and motion at 3(you could probably go higher) and I don't get any of that "effect" and no stuttering. Seems like the judder is what introduces the stuttering and gives it that "soap opera" effect so turn it down if it bugs the hell out of you as it does me.

The blacks are excellent and the viewing angle is very good also. I do notice it wash out if you are standing up looking at the TV but if you are sitting down watching TV the angles are great with no real noticeable degradedation of the picture, even at 120 degree angle. My 47LBX was a matte screen where this is semi matte but the 47LD520 picture has much more pop to it, a more vibrant and brighter picture. No way I go with Samsung, their TV's have way to much of a reflection, especially the larger screens.

Anyway, overall a happy camper. Great TV period, especially for what they currently go for, and also a great TV for gaming, very little lag time, looks great on PS3. Can anyone give me some links for calibration on this thread? There are a bunch, don't know which to choose so I figure someone who did the work already can help! I prefer a brighter more vivid image. I used the ISF wizard and it looks pretty good but, of course, always looking for better.

Thanks all!
post #4578 of 5070
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by CGIM5804 View Post
Hello All,

Just got delivery on my new 47LD520 on Tuesday and have been fooling around with the settings the past couple of days. I had a 47LBX, which to this day, still has the best viewing angle and TruMotion 120hz of any LCD TV I have ever seen, to bad the panel went bad but I had the extended warranty and got the 47LD520 as the replacement.

. . . . .I figure someone who did the work already can help! I prefer a brighter more vivid image. I used the ISF wizard and it looks pretty good but, of course, always looking for better.

Thanks all!
Sorry to hear about your LBX. I looked at that model in 'o8 but bought a Mitsubishi LT-46231 in '07 so already had a nice TV.

I'll include a brighter setting here that Djams (using an i1 Display 2 colorimter) made on his 47LD520 so it might get you close. The best route to go (without a meter) is to use the AVS HD709 and follow the info in Posts #1 & 2 of this thread. Follow up using a reference DVD or Blu-ray. A "guide" using Sea Biscuit is in Post #2. All info is there as to why that movie is great for a reference. It has great cinematography, and both natural and vivid colors. Plus, it widely available even on Blu-ray for bargain prices. If a TVs settings look good with Sea Biscuit it will look great with all other movies.

Also, make sure the PS3 is set to output at 1080p only. By default, it enables all possible resolutions of your TV, and sometimes games automatically pick a lower resolution. You have to go to the HDMI options in the PS3 settings and uncheck all other resolutions. A major design flaw?

You may want to turn on Super White in your PS3's video settings to get the most compatible gamma, but some owners say the opposite.

Note: Use of settings made on another TV, even of the same brand and model, is not likely to be accurate. It may serve as a baseline and be an improvement over default presets, but using AVS HD709 yourself or a metered calibration is best.

 

Djam 47LD520 Expert Super Brite HDMI 4-22-11.txt 1.0732421875k . file
post #4579 of 5070
Thank you Phase700B!!
post #4580 of 5070
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Originally Posted by Phase700B View Post

Yes, most if not all of the functions and TV menus are the same in th new 2011 LK series as they are in the 2010 LD series. You may want to read the first couple of posts in this thread for some info and settings to try out.

The Game Picture mode is optimized for game systems in some of it's default settings. If you wish, you can and should at least turn down the back light to the 35 to 45 range. Then adjust your other settings. The best thing to do is download the AVS HD709 AVHCD test disc to make your settings. Always let your TV warm up for about 30 minutes before making or changing any settings.

This should get you started, but stop back and many of us here can help with your questions. Congratulations on your new TV!


Thanks,

When I watch a movie on PS3 hooked up HDMI I change the mode to Cinema or Standard but the Real Cinema option the advanced options is always blacked out but I can have that option when watching cable movies, am I doing something wrong with my PS3 or should I not even bother with that option for movies?
post #4581 of 5070
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by lucius View Post

Thanks,

When I watch a movie on PS3 hooked up HDMI I change the mode to Cinema or Standard but the Real Cinema option the advanced options is always blacked out but I can have that option when watching cable movies, am I doing something wrong with my PS3 or should I not even bother with that option for movies?

Mmm.... thinking, as I remember, as long as you have a 1080p 24fps signal source, Real Cinema should be available to turn on or off. However, when using the OTA tuner it is available and even LG said that was odd since TV broadcasts are, at most, 1080i. It may be the same with cable(?).



Now, you need to make sure that your PS3 is selected for 1080p and not auto as I mentioned in the previous post. That should force upscaling of any media (DVD or Blu-ray). If it doesn't, make sure you have a 1080p 24fps Blu-ray in the PS3 player. To see what signal the TV is getting at anytime for any input, simply press the "Info" button and the box displayed will indicate it along with other info. The other thing is, if the disc in the PS3 isn't a 1080p 24fps media, Real Cinema will be grayed out. There are 60fps Blu-ray discs and all DVDs are 60fps.

Their may be other factors. If Henry (VBB) were here, he might have more input on this as he has a PS3. If you want to try, look for some earlier posts in the thread by VBB and click on his ID. Then look up all his posts.
post #4582 of 5070
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Originally Posted by CGIM5804 View Post

Thank you Phase700B!!

Congratulations on your purchase! I too have the 47LD520 and have had it since January. You're in good hands with Phase guiding you on the nuances of your set. If djams pops in and responds, you're golden!

I think this set is just amazing! It just seems to get better as time goes by. Once it breaks in and you calibrate it, it will look even better. Lots of help here so get used to the 520 first and it's various functions and then ask your questions.
post #4583 of 5070
Thanks Phase your a big help.
post #4584 of 5070
Phase, Otto et al:

Just to let you know that my daughter, in far away California, found an outer shipping box for the newly purchased LG-37LV3500 for my den, and that it arrived safely last evening. Despite the added expense (sales tax and shipping) the whole trial and error effort to find an LG with the ellusive "Y" IPS panel - at a B&M Fry's - finally ended in triumph and the LED picture in the rather bright room has surpassed all expectations. Even out of the box on the "standard" settings, while a little hot all around, once I had quickly toned things down a bit, I had a surprisingly good picture. (Something that had eluded me for 2 weeks of fiddling around with the ill-fated Panny TC-L37E3.)

It is a comfort that while the unit is rather cheaply made compared to the quality of my original 42LD550, and the available functions are somewhat reduced in number, (it is, after all, an entry level unit - selling on-line in the mid 500's), the menu lay-out and remote are quite similar. As this set is intended for just occasional viewing, it should serve my purposes, and my critical eyes, quite well. I can recommend it to anyone looking for a smallish, relatively inexpensive 2nd. unit for the bedroom, den etc. However, as the unit's Mexico manufactured date was February, it would appear that it's a slow seller. I doubt it will long survive in this market.

Cheers - Thomas
post #4585 of 5070
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Originally Posted by tomstan View Post

Phase, Otto et al:

Just to let you know that my daughter, in far away California, found an outer shipping box for the newly purchased LG-37LV3500 for my den, and that it arrived safely last evening. Despite the added expense (sales tax and shipping) the whole trial and error effort to find an LG with the ellusive "Y" IPS panel - at a B&M Fry's - finally ended in triumph and the LED picture in the rather bright room has surpassed all expectations. Even out of the box on the "standard" settings, while a little hot all around, once I had quickly toned things down a bit, I had a surprisingly good picture. (Something that had eluded me for 2 weeks of fiddling around with the ill-fated Panny TC-L37E3.)

It is a comfort that while the unit is rather cheaply made compared to the quality of my original 42LD550, and the available functions are somewhat reduced in number, (it is, after all, an entry level unit - selling on-line in the mid 500's), the menu lay-out and remote are quite similar. As this set is intended for just occasional viewing, it should serve my purposes, and my critical eyes, quite well. I can recommend it to anyone looking for a smallish, relatively inexpensive 2nd. unit for the bedroom, den etc. However, as the unit's Mexico manufactured date was February, it would appear that it's a slow seller. I doubt it will long survive in this market.

Cheers - Thomas

Congrats! Looks like this one will work out for you. BTW, Californina is not that far away
post #4586 of 5070
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by tomstan View Post

Phase, Otto et al:


It is a comfort that while the unit is rather cheaply made compared to the quality of my original 42LD550, and the available functions are somewhat reduced in number, (it is, after all, an entry level unit - selling on-line in the mid 500's), the menu lay-out and remote are quite similar. As this set is intended for just occasional viewing, it should serve my purposes, and my critical eyes, quite well. I can recommend it to anyone looking for a smallish, relatively inexpensive 2nd. unit for the bedroom, den etc. However, as the unit's Mexico manufactured date was February, it would appear that it's a slow seller. I doubt it will long survive in this market.

Cheers - Thomas

We're glad to hear that your new 37" LG arrived in prime shape. And thank you for the mini review and summary comparing it too the LD line. It good to hear it has a bright and pleasing image. How does it look in the evening with less light? Wondering how black level and picture detail is in shadowy darker areas?
post #4587 of 5070
Originally Posted by Phase700B

............Also, make sure the PS3 is set to output at 1080p only. By default, it enables all possible resolutions of your TV, and sometimes games automatically pick a lower resolution. You have to go to the HDMI options in the PS3 settings and uncheck all other resolutions. A major design flaw?

You may want to turn on Super White in your PS3's video settings to get the most compatible gamma, but some owners say the opposite.

Note: Use of settings made on another TV, even of the same brand and model, is not likely to be accurate. It may serve as a baseline and be an improvement over default presets, but using AVS HD709 yourself or a metered calibration is best.[/quote]



Thanks this was perfect. I did a little tweaking here and there and its perfect for me. I used the DVE Blueray disc to set the sharpness a little better. The picture is stunning, especially on Blueray - Kids would just stare at the TV, watching Toy Story # on Blue ray. FIOS HD looks great also. This has to be one of the best, if not the best, TV for the money especially at 47"
post #4588 of 5070
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Originally Posted by CGIM5804 View Post



Thanks this was perfect. I did a little tweaking here and there and its perfect for me. I used the DVE Blueray disc to set the sharpness a little better. The picture is stunning, especially on Blueray - Kids would just stare at the TV, watching Toy Story # on Blue ray. FIOS HD looks great also. This has to be one of the best, if not the best, TV for the money especially at 47"

I bet Toy Story looks great on BD. So does Cars on BD. We've found "Over The Hedge" and "Madagasgar" also are very detailed CG animated features.

So for further reference, what Picture mode(s) did you settle on one of the Expert settings with IRE values entered, or a preset?
post #4589 of 5070
Yes yes, please post your settings. I'd like to add them to the un-official xxLD550, xxLD520, xxLD650 "database".
post #4590 of 5070
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Originally Posted by Phase700B View Post

We're glad to hear that your new 37" LG arrived in prime shape. And thank you for the mini review and summary comparing it too the LD line. It good to hear it has a bright and pleasing image. How does it look in the evening with less light? Wondering how black level and picture detail is in shadowy darker areas?

Thought you might well ask me that, Phase. I'll have to get back to you on that in a few days after I've tweaked it a little. It doesn't have quite the deep ranging possibilities in the "advanced" menu portion as the LD550 - everything is much reduced for this entry level model. For starters though, it appears the picture is brighter, the contrast level seems increased and the blackness deeper - although I am not certain there's much in the shadows. So at first glance it seems to provide a more pleaing viewing experience before much monkeying around. I'll get back to you in a few days with a little more detail.

On another topic - my old Hassler pre-Amp blew its left channel recently so I decided to bite the bullet and Craiglist my two very pleasant, if not perfect, floor standing Wharfies and invest in a new ZVOX one piece speaker system. If you're famililar with this unit you will know that the TV can rest on it, dispensing with the amp., tuner, speakers, wires etc. - making for a very uncluttered visual environment. While not as good, perhaps, as I had hoped, it is neverthless a great improvement over the tinny speakers in the TV and, after a bit of listening to mostly talking heads and the odd TV docs, I'll probably get used to it. Movies etc. will still run on the LD550. Thomas
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