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post #1 of 13
Thread Starter 
Hi all,
using HCFR software and an eye-one LT colorimeter, I started to calibrate my new Samsung TV, since I was disappointed about its colors fidelity.

It was the 1st time I performed a calibration, so I am not sure that everything is now "quite correct", although I read several guides before doing that. You can find in attachment the "before" and "after" chc files: I would appreciate any feedback from the experts and suggestions on how to improve the results.

Now, some considerations:
a) I was surprised to realize that preset values were "very far" from the actual ones; is it quite common or my TV was very unlucky?
b) In order to tune up the greyscale calibration, I have tried to use the white balancement 10p controls, however they are effective only in the 20IRE-40IRE range. I cannot not see any modification in the upper range. Why? Are you aware of any bug in the Samsung TV software concerning this behaviour?
c) the red color x-y coordinates are still far from the right ones, however I cannot move it to the center since I cannot decrease anymore Green and Blue values on Samsung CMS control. Does it mean I cannot improve it, or the procedure I followed was not correct?

Thank you in advance for any tips.

Best regards.
Roberto

 

SAMSUNG UE40C6500UP.zip 7.2578125k . file
post #2 of 13
Greetings

Check to see if the firmware is up to date.

Regards
post #3 of 13
Greetings

Samsung system for cms is mostly additive. You add green and blue to pull red closer to the center. YOu cannot take away green and blue to make red move outward.

If you could ... that means that the tv is capable of creating new colors out of nothing and that would be quite the feat. The set comes with a base color triangle and if you start out inside the triangle ... that's life.

regards
post #4 of 13
Thread Starter 
Thanks Michael for your quick reply, firmware is already up to date.

From your last answer I understand that there is no way to move the RED into the "right position", at least with the TV controls I can use. Right?

Looking at the CIE diagram of my "AFTER2" file, do you believe it would be better trying to move up the RED Primary to its target y position (0.330) although it would cause an increase of the overall "distance" from the Reference Value since x value would be decreased?

Regards,
Roberto
post #5 of 13
Greetings

It is way more important to have the brightness of red correct versus where it is on the graph. Usually close ... and there is no way you would see any difference on real material. You can barely see anything on a test pattern.

I should note that nothing short of some form of re-engineering of the TV will give you more colors.

regards
post #6 of 13
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Originally Posted by Michael TLV View Post


It is way more important to have the brightness of red correct versus where it is on the graph. Usually close ... and there is no way you would see any difference on real material. You can barely see anything on a test pattern.



Does this hold true for all the primaries and secondaries equally or red in particular?
post #7 of 13
Greetings

Holds true for both primaries and secondaries.

brightness first ...

Then Saturation for primaries ... and Tint for secondaries.

regards
post #8 of 13
This is why the 10 pt adjustment is giving you trouble:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...1#post19067971
post #9 of 13
Thread Starter 
Thank you Chad!

Contrast value is now at 77, so I think you are right. In these conditions, luminance value is already 40,4 ftL.

So, do you believe it would have sense to increase Contrast value in order to have 10p controls operating properly?
post #10 of 13
Yes, if you could raise the contrast to the mid 90's and then lower the backlight to get the light level back down, that should make the 10 pt control work properly.
post #11 of 13
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Chad B View Post

Yes, if you could raise the contrast to the mid 90's and then lower the backlight to get the light level back down, that should make the 10 pt control work properly.

This evening I reviewed the previous calibration imposing a higher contrast value (lowering backlight in order to reach 40 ftL); I confirm you that in this way the 10p controls are effective! Thank you very much for your help.

However, after a deep CMS calibration (using 100% saturated colors) I realized that:
- 100% saturated colors are almost perfect (very low error, except for red), but
- most of the 50% and 75% saturated colors have very high errors (E=20 or more)

Is there any way to have a good calibration both in 100% and 75%? I use a spreadsheet to calculate luminance/hue/saturation errors using x,y,Y as inputs. However, it works only for 100% saturated colors... is there a similar spreadsheet which could be used for 75% saturated colors? If not, how can I find the correct Y values?

Thank you in advance.
Roberto
post #12 of 13
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Originally Posted by rpattaro View Post

This evening I reviewed the previous calibration imposing a higher contrast value (lowering backlight in order to reach 40 ftL); I confirm you that in this way the 10p controls are effective! Thank you very much for your help.

However, after a deep CMS calibration (using 100% saturated colors) I realized that:
- 100% saturated colors are almost perfect (very low error, except for red), but
- most of the 50% and 75% saturated colors have very high errors (E=20 or more)

Is there any way to have a good calibration both in 100% and 75%? I use a spreadsheet to calculate luminance/hue/saturation errors using x,y,Y as inputs. However, it works only for 100% saturated colors... is there a similar spreadsheet which could be used for 75% saturated colors? If not, how can I find the correct Y values?

Thank you in advance.
Roberto

That has long been a bugbear with first color decoders and now CMS implementations. Most color patterns for setting decoders are at about 75% since decoders that are accurate at both saturation levels are rare, and it is also closer to the levels encountered in most actual images you're going to watch routinely. 100 or 75? It's your choice.
post #13 of 13
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Originally Posted by Rolls-Royce View Post
...are at about 75% since decoders that are accurate at both saturation levels are rare, and it is also closer to the levels encountered in most actual images you're going to watch routinely. 100 or 75? It's your choice.
I do not have experience in TV calibration, however, looking to the HCFR graphs (see attachment) I am very disappointed about the results obtained on "saturation-luminance" and "saturation-shifts" graphs.

My question to calibration experts is:
- is it frequent to find a so "unlinear" behaviour on colors, or it could be the result of a bad calibration?

Moreover, I have set "Color tone" at warm2 value. However, if I start a new calibration setting Color Tone control at its normal value then white balancing becomes already impossible: blue component is always too high and red component is too low, therefore they cannot be corrected with Gain/Offset controls. Is it normal on Samsung C series LED TV or may be my X-rite i1 LT is not working properly?

Regards
Roberto

 

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