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post #1 of 27
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are there any 3d recievers that will work with fios tv and the mitsubishi adapter from the starter kit without the blue comprimised screen coming on the tv. i just about had enough of this onkyo 608
post #2 of 27
I have a similar problem. Just bought a new Integra DTR-30.2 supposedly 3D AVR. So far only my PS3 works through the AVR. Fios cable DVR and Xbox360 will not work through the AVR but work fine if DVR is bypassed. Help!
post #3 of 27
If your Mits 3D adapter is between the AVR and the TV then the AVR is not passing the information about the adapter to your cable box and XBOX
post #4 of 27
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Originally Posted by destiny 21 View Post

are there any 3d recievers that will work with fios tv and the mitsubishi adapter from the starter kit without the blue comprimised screen coming on the tv. i just about had enough of this onkyo 608

u have to buy a hdmi splitter and switch
post #5 of 27
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Originally Posted by NSX1992 View Post

I have a similar problem. Just bought a new Integra DTR-30.2 supposedly 3D AVR. So far only my PS3 works through the AVR. Fios cable DVR and Xbox360 will not work through the AVR but work fine if DVR is bypassed. Help!

call Integra support 800-225-1946 open SAT & Sun 11-3 est
post #6 of 27
Update
Integra flat out said it is the fault of the adaptor. Their AVR meets the HDMI 1.4 standards. Fios and Misubishi blamed the others. I believe that cable TV(or Direst TV) will not pass through AVR(even1.4) and the adaptor. By the way my Xbox360 now works through both the AVR and adaptor.

Thanks to others the solution is to bypass the AVR from cable DVR to the adaptor by means of a HDMI switch. So FIOS DVR to switch to adaptor to TV.Run an optical cable from DVR to AVR for sound and you can watch 2D. For 3D simply turn on 3D in TV. All the remaining devices would be connected to the AVR to switch to adaptor to TV. I have ordered the 4x1 switch(6259) from Monoprice.com for $29.99 plus shipping and should receive it Tuesday.

Still interested if any other AVR works with the adaptor and cable TV.
post #7 of 27
Their AVR can meet all of the HDMI 1.4a standards but if it also will not provide to incoming souces the EDID data provided to it by MITs adapter then it will not work the way it needs to when the adapter is between it and the TV.
post #8 of 27
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Originally Posted by walford View Post

Their AVR can meet all of the HDMI 1.4a standards but if it also will not provide to incoming souces the EDID data provided to it by MITs adapter then it will not work the way it needs to when the adapter is between it and the TV.

But if what they say is true, then the real problem is with the 1.4a standard--which has been the primary problem, period--everyone suffers to serve the greed of the movie studios.
post #9 of 27
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Originally Posted by pmalter0 View Post

But if what they say is true, then the real problem is with the 1.4a standard--which has been the primary problem, period--everyone suffers to serve the greed of the movie studios.

In this case, it seems to be the devices rather than the standard (though I do agree that HDMI in general, is a cluster). Some devices, such as the Mits adapter, are looking for a specific device ID, rather than the capabilities of the device. The AVR might be providing all the appropriate information as far as being 3D capable, but it's likely also saying "I'm an Integra DTR-30.2". Since Mitsubishi chose to specifically require that the adapter be connected directly to the TV, it does matter if the AVR says "it's ok, I can pass that signal along" if the adapter is saying "I don't care, I'm only going to give it to the TV directly".
post #10 of 27
Some A/V receivers do provide the EDID data from a TV connected to their output to their input sources. And in these cases the Mits adapter works just fine when it's output is connected to the input of the A/V receiver that is "3D" capable and not directly conneced to the TV or to a GEFEN HDMI detective.
post #11 of 27
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Originally Posted by walford View Post

Some A/V receivers do provide the EDID data from a TV connected to their output to their input sources.

True, though I don't know of any way to tell which ones do or don't without trying them. I suspect it the chances are related to whether or not the receiver does any processing of the signal, or just performs as a simple switch. I know my Onkyo TX-SR875 has it's own EDID: my HTPC automatically labels that connection as an Onkyo 875. But this receiver does have an internal scaler, and therefore necessarily has its own specific set of video (and audio) capabilities. Unfortunately, I'm not even sure if upgrading to a 1.4 AVR will help me... if my DirecTV receiver insists on seeing the adapter's EDID, the fact that a new receiver can handle 3D may be moot, as far as DirecTV is concerned.
post #12 of 27
I understand that some A/V receivers will merge the EDID data from an upstream device such as a Mits adapter with their own audio EDID data and provide the combined EDID data to the source such as a D* DVR. If a receiver does not provide the upstream EDID data a GEFEN HDMI detective could be used containing the Mits adapter EDID data or better yet the EDID data from one of the new 3D TVS to the output from the D* DVR and then the output from the GEFEN could be connected to the input for "3D" capable A/V receiver.
post #13 of 27
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Originally Posted by walford View Post

Some A/V receivers do provide the EDID data from a TV connected to their output to their input sources. And in these cases the Mits adapter works just fine when it's output is connected to the input of the A/V receiver that is "3D" capable and not directly conneced to the TV or to a GEFEN HDMI detective.

Tried placing adaptor after Fios DVR and before Integra 1.4 AVR then to TV. Got a flashing message "TV not compatible with 3D adaptor" and then dark. Assuming I receive my switch Tuesday will report result.
post #14 of 27
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Originally Posted by NSX1992 View Post

Tried placing adaptor after Fios DVR and before Integra 1.4 AVR then to TV. Got a flashing message "TV not compatible with 3D adaptor" and then dark. Assuming I receive my switch Tuesday will report result.

as i have said before you have to buy a splitter and switch, no other way as of right now
post #15 of 27
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Originally Posted by NSX1992 View Post

Tried placing adaptor after Fios DVR and before Integra 1.4 AVR then to TV. Got a flashing message "TV not compatible with 3D adaptor" and then dark. Assuming I receive my switch Tuesday will report result.

Success everything works perfectly. In my case all I needed was one $30 switch.
post #16 of 27
It's not the adapter's fault or the audio amps fault, it is the cable company. promise.
post #17 of 27
Using one HDMI 1.3 switch and one HDMI 1.3 splitter I was able to work around the cablebox not handshaking with my Onkyo tx-sr608 and my Mits adapter crushing 2-D blacks; but only if the splitter was upstream of the switch, if the switch was upstream of the splitter(my preferred circuit), it wouldn't pass 3-D. Can anyone explain why?
post #18 of 27
I don't know what your exact setup is, but a switch doesn't typically intefere with the signal, while a splitter can often interject it's own EDID info (commonly, an EDID config that is derived from the common capabilities of those items connected downstream). What is your layout?
post #19 of 27
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Originally Posted by Darin View Post

I don't know what your exact setup is, but a switch doesn't typically intefere with the signal, while a splitter can often interject it's own EDID info (commonly, an EDID config that is derived from the common capabilities of those items connected downstream). What is your layout?

This didn't work:
Cable------switch--splitter--3Da---in2
BD--AVR---switch--splitter---------in1

This does work:
cable--splitter----------------in1
cable--splitter--switch
BD--AVR-------switch--3Da--in2

I can now avoid a black crush on 2D cable, but not the BD; my preferred setup would have avoided it on both.
post #20 of 27
When it didn't work, did neither input work? And by not working, does that mean no signal at all, or would the sources just not output 3d? Some splitters pass whatever EDID info is from port 1, so you may even find that your "didn't work" scenario works if you swap the 3Da1 from one output port on the splitter, to the other.
post #21 of 27
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Originally Posted by Darin View Post

When it didn't work, did neither input work? And by not working, does that mean no signal at all, or would the sources just not output 3d? Some splitters pass whatever EDID info is from port 1, so you may even find that your "didn't work" scenario works if you swap the 3Da1 from one output port on the splitter, to the other.

Wouldn't pass 3D correctly--would pass a distorted signal; haven't tried switching outputs yet; thanks.
post #22 of 27
Getting a distorted signal is odd. That suggests that it's not an issue of the source device refusing to send 3d due to no recognizing the EDID info as being 3d capable. Does the first scenario distort 3D from both Blu-ray and cable?
post #23 of 27
There also appears to be a difference in what a "3D capable A/V receiver" means it appears to me that it only means that it will pass any HDMI 1.4a 3D formated conternt through to it it's output side untouched. However, it does not also mean that it will also pass Checkerboard formated 3D content through untouched since Checekerboard is not a HDMI 1.4a 3D format.

Pmalter, Can you descrbe what you mean by a "distoted signal" and state what the souce of the signal was?
post #24 of 27
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Originally Posted by walford View Post


Pmalter, Can you descrbe what you mean by a "distoted signal" and state what the souce of the signal was?

BD wasn't framed right-- the top was cut off and appeared on the bottom; cable had double(not 3D or TnB or SbS) images. I think that it simply wouldn't pass all the 3D signal; although it does in the reversed configuration.
post #25 of 27
Did you try manually changing the format with the adapter? It's an odd situation, so I'm just throwing things out there.
post #26 of 27
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Originally Posted by pmalter0 View Post

BD wasn't framed right-- the top was cut off and appeared on the bottom; cable had double(not 3D or TnB or SbS) images. I think that it simply wouldn't pass all the 3D signal; although it does in the reversed configuration.

So are you all set then when you use the Reverse configuration to prevent cross eyed images?
post #27 of 27
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Originally Posted by walford View Post

So are you all set then when you use the Reverse configuration to prevent cross eyed images?

What I meant by "reversed" was the splitter before the switch.
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