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post #31 of 92
Sorry Bob. I was addressing the Thread Starter who created the original topic title.
post #32 of 92
Thread Starter 
Ok.I finally solved my issue, I think. First, let me say that the splitter idea did not work. This was because my roof antenna is funkier than I thought it was. It is not good with either VHF or UHF. It is good with CERTAIN channels, whether they're VHF or UHF. The reason I come to this conclusion is because ABC and CW are both VHF channels and my roof antenna gets an excellent signal with CW, but a very poor signal with ABC. So, my roof antenna has some issues and that's up to my maintenance workers at my building to fix, not me. Since that pathetic antenna has been up there for years, I'd doubt they'd do anything about it anytime soon.

So, what I did was ditch the splitter idea and used arxaw's idea on the barrel splice so I can move my indoor RCA flat antenna around. I finally got it at a good spot where all channels have great signal, except for My9 (of course there's always one channel that likes to misbehave). My9 gets a decent signal, so it seems ok, but God forbid I get the slightest bit of interference, I could possibly get a breakup or dropout. But from the few hours I've watched the channel, it seems to be ok. So, I think my issue has been solved, though who knows how things will turn out when the weather changes or if there's a lot of interferences around me.
post #33 of 92
You may have interference in the same frequency that channel 9 is broadcasting on, or, your flat antenna may not have much gain on channel 9. Either one could be the reason for poor reception.

Also try raising or lowering your current antenna where you have it sitting. Just a few inches higher or lower can sometimes make a lot of difference. Put boxes or other non-metallic items under it to change the height.

If it were me, and if there's a RadioShack not too far away, I would still try the antenna I linked to on page 1. I would put it in the same spot you have the flat antenna in and extend the dipole rods in a "V" about 10-14" each, no longer. If it doesn't work, return it for a refund. I am using one for a channel 9 in my area, which is 45 miles away. The rods are extended about 10", and I get solid reception, except for very occasional electrical interference dropouts, which are unavoidable in the VHF band.
post #34 of 92
I'm 8 miles from most of the broadcast towers and with my Terk TV 5 I get VHF channel 13 perfect 10 out of 10 bars with no breakups. The only channel I see a breakup on once in a while is my PBS UHF station that is 30 miles away.

Having the right antenna means a lot.
post #35 of 92
Thread Starter 
Me again. Here’s my issue now. My indoor antenna has no problem whatsoever with VHF signals. It’s incredible strong. But UHF is average, at best, and very susceptible to interference. Whenever an airplane passes by, the picture always drops out. So, what I did in the meantime is use the VHF/UHF splitter and I’m borrowing my roof antenna to get the UHF signal. Now, the UHF signal on the roof is just as good as the signal I’m getting from my indoor antenna. The only difference is, the roof antenna isn’t as sensitive to interferences. So, an airplane passing by doesn’t have any effect on the signal whatsoever.

So, I think I know what my issue is. The antennas I’m getting seem to be susceptible to interferences. So, does anybody know of a good UHF antenna that’s not that susceptible to interferences like airplanes? I can use my other antenna for VHF without a problem. So, I have no problem getting a UHF antenna only since I have a splitter. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Tx.
post #36 of 92
A forum member compared the classic bowtie to a Silver Sensor close to a small airport and reported the Silver Sensor less prone to interference from planes. You could search the word "planes" and perhaps find more.
post #37 of 92
I have airplanes fly over my house and my Terk TV 5 indoor antenna does not drop out. Try the Terk TV 5 or the $11.99 rabbit ears from Radio shack that are linked to on page 1 of this thread.
post #38 of 92
Thread Starter 
Are you sure that the $11.99 RadioShack antenna is good with handling UHF signals and won't get interferences? I just want to be 100% sure before I buy a third antenna and end up with another issue.
post #39 of 92
Thread Starter 
Ok, just got back from RadioShack and they didn't have the rabbit ears antenna. But instead, I found THIS. I bought it and this looks like a winner. From some responses here and from further research, I heard bowties are the best with UHF signals. Based on research and the reviews, it looks like this bowtie will work. I can't wait to hook up this bad boy when I get home. I'll be sure to post results.

Thanks for the help!
post #40 of 92
I used the bowtie antenna during the analog days and they pulled in my UHF stations very well. I haven't used the $11.99 Radio Shack antenna but it is recommended a lot in this forum. The Terk TV 5 that I use works great for me. It helped me with my VHF station and it helps pick up my PBS UHF station from 30 miles way. I have a sister that lives 20 miles from the broadcast towers and she picks up all 13 stations in our area with the Terk TV 5 antenna. With rabbit ears she picked up one station.
post #41 of 92
Thread Starter 
OK, the bowtie works well except for one thing.it's not multi-directional, so it requires adjusting when changing to certain channels. For example, if you turn the antenna one direction, My9 will get a strong signal but NBC's signal will weaken. There were no airplanes flying over my building last night, so I couldn't test how well it works with interferences. But I don't like the fact that it requires adjusting when you change channels. The RCA flat antenna is the only antenna I've bought that doesn't require adjusting. The only problem is some channels dropout during certain days when airplanes fly over my building. Maybe if I move the antenna someplace else in the apartment, it might work better. The question is..where? It's already near the window and it's having trouble there.
post #42 of 92
My Terk TV 5 indoor amplified antenna requires no adjusting. It has two big diamond shaped metal rings on it that points in two directions. Its nice to flip through channels without having to move the antenna. It works much better than rabbit ears.

Maybe you can get King Kong to sit on top of your buliding so he can attack any airplanes flying over.
post #43 of 92
Here is two more ideas. You can buy the TV at the 1:30 mark and the antenna at the 2:54 mark of this youtube video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUArCmcpwuA
post #44 of 92
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Jedi Master View Post

My Terk TV 5 indoor amplified antenna requires no adjusting. It has two big diamond shaped metal rings on it that points in two directions. Its nice to flip through channels without having to move the antenna. It works much better than rabbit ears.

Maybe you can get King Kong to sit on top of your buliding so he can attack any airplanes flying over.

That's the thing. Your Terk TV 5 is an amplified antenna, which explains why your signal is good. I've read that it's best to avoid amplified antenna, if possible, and try to get your signal naturally because amplifying the signal can overwork the tuner if it gets overloaded.
post #45 of 92
I never heard about overworking a tuner all I know is that my Terk TV 5 gets good signal and works. I tried regular rabbit ears before I tried the Terk and the Terk outperforms the rabbits ears.
post #46 of 92
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Jedi Master View Post

I never heard about overworking a tuner all I know is that my Terk TV 5 gets good signal and works. I tried regular rabbit ears before I tried the Terk and the Terk outperforms the rabbits ears.

Is THIS also good? It's a little more expensive, but it's a newer, high-end antenna. Has anyone here on AVS recommended this?

It doesn't say anything about being multi-directional like my RCA flat antenna. So, it may require adjusting on certain channels. I'm not sure if I'm going to bother wasting anymore time and money on antennas. Nothing seems to beat the RCA one. That's the only one that can pick up all channels without any adjusting. The only problem is....certain channels with mediocre signals are easily interfered when airplanes pass by. If it helps, I can post pictures of the signal meter on my TV on certain channels to show people exactly what my issue is.
post #47 of 92
Thread Starter 
OK- here are my signal strengths on selected OTA channels. These are my results when using the RCA ANT 1500 flat antenna. These are the best results I've ever gotten after using four different antennas (Roof antenna, RCA rabbit ears, RCA ANT 1500, and the RadioShack UHF bow tie).

CBS- UHF




NBC- UHF




FOX- UHF




ABC- VHF




WWOR (or My9)- UHF




As you can see, the UHF channels are significantly weaker, but I still get the channel just fine so long as the airplanes don't pass by right over my building. They only pass by certain days, so this is not a frequent problem, but it still would be nice if I didn't have this problem at all. As you can see from my pictures, since the VHF channels are VERY strong, they don't get affected by interferences like the UHF channels do.
post #48 of 92
If you want to try an amplified antenna, the Winegard SS-3000 has a good reputation. No guarantees on being able to set it and forget it though.
post #49 of 92
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Jedi Master View Post

I'm 8 miles from most of the broadcast towers and with my Terk TV 5 I get VHF channel 13 perfect 10 out of 10 bars with no breakups. The only channel I see a breakup on once in a while is my PBS UHF station that is 30 miles away.

Having the right antenna means a lot.

Ok, yesterday was airplane day and my OTA reception was freaking out. So, you win, Jedi. I just ordered the Terk TV 5 antenna. It should arrive by the end of the week hopefully. If this doesn't work, then you're reimbursing me.
post #50 of 92
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Originally Posted by MrHT View Post

Ok, yesterday was airplane day and my OTA reception was freaking out. So, you win, Jedi. I just ordered the Terk TV 5 antenna. It should arrive by the end of the week hopefully. If this doesn't work, then you're reimbursing me.

The Terk TV 5 should work. It has worked for me, my mother, and my sister. My sister was asking me about pay TV before she bought her antenna. If you bought the antenna from Amazon they should give you a refund if you aren't happy with it. When you get the antenna be sure its plugged up but turned off. It needs to be plugged up and the two metal rings will pull in the signal. But if you are having problems turn it on and see what happens.

Your TV Fool info says you are 4.2 miles from the broadcast towers. You should be getting all 10 bars of signal strength on all channels. I'm 8 miles from my broadcast towers and I get all 10 bars. My PBS station 30 miles away gets 6 bars.
post #51 of 92
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Jedi Master View Post

Your TV Fool info says you are 4.2 miles from the broadcast towers.

That's what puzzles me. If the towers are so close, I don't understand why a regular RCA antenna is not sufficient.
post #52 of 92
Thread Starter 
OK, the Terk TV5 does not work. In fact, the item I received must've been broken because I don't think it turns on. The lights don't go on when I plug it in and turn it on. And the signal is extremely weak, plugged or not plugged. So, I'm sending this back for a full refund. In the meantime, the search for another antenna continues....

I may try the Winegard SS-3000 since someone here recommended it.

EDIT- Just ordered the Winegard SS-3000 for $50 at Amazon. I decided to pay more and buy from Amazon due to their friendly and hassle-free return policy. From reviews I've read, this is apparently the best antenna out there. So, if this doesn't work, nothing will.
post #53 of 92
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Originally Posted by MrHT View Post

OK, the Terk TV5 does not work. In fact, the item I received must've been broken because I don't think it turns on. The lights don't go on when I plug it in and turn it on. And the signal is extremely weak, plugged or not plugged. So, I'm sending this back for a full refund. In the meantime, the search for another antenna continues....

The Terk TV 5 antenna they sent to you is broken. When you plug it up the green light is supposed to stay on all the time. That shows that the power is running through it. Without the power going through it its just like a TV without the power going through it.

I'm sorry they sent you a bad one. I have one, my mom has one, and my sister has two of the Terk TV 5 antennas and they work very good.
post #54 of 92
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Jedi Master View Post

The Terk TV 5 antenna they sent to you is broken. When you plug it up the green light is supposed to stay on all the time. That shows that the power is running through it. Without the power going through it its just like a TV without the power going through it.

I'm sorry they sent you a bad one. I have one, my mom has one, and my sister has two of the Terk TV 5 antennas and they work very good.

Yeah, that's what I thought. I bought this off Ebay. The seller has already refunded me and offered to pay to ship it back. I already sent it back yesterday. The seller was very pleasant. I'm glad I didn't have to fight for it.

Anyways, I'll try the Winegard SS-3000. It's already shipping soon at Amazon. Based on what I've read here and on other reviews, this is the best indoor antenna out there. So, this will prove whether or not an indoor antenna is suitable for my area. If not, then I'll have to make do with the crappy outdoor antenna that my apartment has. But the Winegard is supposedly very good in pulling UHF signals, so I'm hoping this would be a winner.
post #55 of 92
MrHT, is there any way you can take a picture of the rooftop antenna you have now and post it?
Also I don't know if this was mentioned, if the building still uses the old cabling (RG59) and if there are old splitters involved that only go up to 500MHZ, you are going to have problems getting reception. Do you know if its a direct run from the antenna to your TV, and also does it use RG6 cable?
Also is your antenna pointed correctly to the Empire State Building?
post #56 of 92
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Originally Posted by mikepier View Post

MrHT, is there any way you can take a picture of the rooftop antenna you have now and post it?
Also I don't know if this was mentioned, if the building still uses the old cabling (RG59) and if there are old splitters involved that only go up to 500MHZ, you are going to have problems getting reception. Do you know if its a direct run from the antenna to your TV, and also does it use RG6 cable?
Also is your antenna pointed correctly to the Empire State Building?

No, I can't. Nobody is allowed on top of the roof. Strict rules!

Also, I'm using the same white coax cables. It's a long cable attached to the wall. It was there since the day I moved it. It used to work well with analog, but it's terrible with digital. The only good thing about it is it doesn't pick up interference as easily as indoor antennas. I only get 4 or 5 bars on UHF channels, but never experience dropouts when airplanes pass by.
post #57 of 92
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Originally Posted by MrHT View Post

No, I can't. Nobody is allowed on top of the roof. Strict rules!

Also, I'm using the same white coax cables. It's a long cable attached to the wall. It was there since the day I moved it. It used to work well with analog, but it's terrible with digital. The only good thing about it is it doesn't pick up interference as easily as indoor antennas. I only get 4 or 5 bars on UHF channels, but never experience dropouts when airplanes pass by.

Too bad you cant's get to the roof. Without knowing what kind of antenna you have and how it's aimed, and what cable they used up there , its hard to help you troubleshoot. You mentioned a long cable attached to the wall. Is it the outside wall, or is this on the inside of your apt? Also, can you tell what kind of cable it is? RG6?
post #58 of 92
Thread Starter 
It's plugged into the wall inside my apartment. I don't know anything else.

There's definitely something funny about my roof antenna that I can't fix on my own. Even if you did find the problem, I can't fix it. It's up to the maintenance workers to do that and if they haven't done anything by now, I doubt they ever will. But this is why I need to rely on an indoor antenna. Based on reviews, the Winegard should do the trick....hopefully.
post #59 of 92
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Originally Posted by MrHT View Post

It's plugged into the wall inside my apartment. I don't know anything else.

There's definitely something funny about my roof antenna that I can't fix on my own. Even if you did find the problem, I can't fix it. It's up to the maintenance workers to do that and if they haven't done anything by now, I doubt they ever will. But this is why I need to rely on an indoor antenna. Based on reviews, the Winegard should do the trick....hopefully.

You could have splitters upstream from your cable feeding other apts and that might be causing problem. I don't know how many units are in your building, but there could also be an amplifier somewhere close to the antenna, and most old amps when analog TV was around only went up to 550MHZ, which is good for VHF, but not for UHF.
At this point since you have no idea what is between your TV and the antenna, your best bet is to try the Winegard like you said.
post #60 of 92
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Originally Posted by MrHT View Post

No, I can't. Nobody is allowed on top of the roof. Strict rules!

Also, I'm using the same white coax cables. It's a long cable attached to the wall. It was there since the day I moved it. It used to work well with analog, but it's terrible with digital. The only good thing about it is it doesn't pick up interference as easily as indoor antennas. I only get 4 or 5 bars on UHF channels, but never experience dropouts when airplanes pass by.

The white coax cables maybe old and might not work correctly. The reviews on the Winegard antenna sound good so it should work. It still puzzles me why you are having so many problems when you are only 4.2 miles away.

I never buy anything off Ebay. Chances are your are buying somebody elses used merchandise. We bought our Terk TV 5 antennas new from Amazon.
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