reversing plasma burn in - Page 2

Originally Posted by SiGGy

I'm at a loss here...

I'm about to buy some 65" TV this year. However with posts like this who wants to jump through hoops or worry about ruining their TV just watching TV or playing games?

Lets be real here...

If you watch TLC, HIST, Discovery... (or any of the other affiliated channels) your screwed. They all have obnoxious BRIGHT logos and even sometimes they add additional graphics above the logo. And these logos stay there the ENTIRE time the programming is on; only to disappear just before the commercials. I know I love to geek out and watch some of those channels back to back for hours at a time.

Unless all of the channels change their ways were hosed.

I'm a video nut so the quality of the image the plasma can display is really what I want. But I don't see how anyone can really enjoy their set if they have to run break-in slides (after they did the inital break-in), or display static on their TV after they use it. Or what if you wanted to geek out and watch all of the LOTR movies back to back which are all 2.35:1. You going to zoom those?

I've sent countless e-mails to DISC asking them to change the logos on all of their channels but they just ignore me.

I have a 42" Panasonic plasma up in my office (probably the cheapest one they sell TC42x24), it only has about 300-400 hours on it. I have seen image retention, but nothing permanent.

However this year I'm going to replace my 1080i 9" CRT driven 65" rear projector (which still has a killer picture I should add). It's been professionally calibrated and I've kept it up since. But it's almost 8 years old, and I can see from my colorimeter it's losing brightness slowly. And after 8 years, I can see that I watched a bunch of 2.35:1 material on it, as I can see the uneven wear. No matter what you do this will happen on your plasma as well. No matter how careful you care. If your not using the pixels they won't wear out... (i.e. black bars and 2.35:1) so those areas of the screen will start to show uneven wear after time.

Anyway... I'm not here to steer anyone. But isn't it hard to make a decision on a plasma when you know for sure you have to baby sit it? I suppose if you only watch 1.85:1 and never play games, and never watch any TV channels with crappy logos you're OK... The more I'm thinking about it the more uncomfortable it feels.

I myself wouldn't have played games on a plasma TV with less than 300-500 hours on it. I really believe the 1st 200-500 hours are critical.

So am I off base here? I mean I don't intend on buying a new TV every year or two like some of the folks on here do.

Originally Posted by metlgawd

hrm, hours before the game.....around 120, longest game play at once around 6 hours, i didn't think burn-ins were an issue, but i was still cautious, never left the game paused, or a dvd menu screen on, even turned the set off if i ran down the road for a min

Originally Posted by Cobra30

I have image retention also in the upper right hand corner from fox sports logo from watching football. I ran the break in slides and used dnices settings for break in then did his settings for after the break in. I ran the ir white bars still there. I don't game on the tv just movies and tv watching. So not sure why I have it
Edit. Did the break in slides etc when the tv was new

Originally Posted by SiGGy

I'm at a loss here...

I'm about to buy some 65" TV this year. However with posts like this who wants to jump through hoops or worry about ruining their TV just watching TV or playing games?

Lets be real here...

If you watch TLC, HIST, Discovery... (or any of the other affiliated channels) your screwed. They all have obnoxious BRIGHT logos and even sometimes they add additional graphics above the logo. And these logos stay there the ENTIRE time the programming is on; only to disappear just before the commercials. I know I love to geek out and watch some of those channels back to back for hours at a time.

Unless all of the channels change their ways were hosed.

I'm a video nut so the quality of the image the plasma can display is really what I want. But I don't see how anyone can really enjoy their set if they have to run break-in slides (after they did the inital break-in), or display static on their TV after they use it. Or what if you wanted to geek out and watch all of the LOTR movies back to back which are all 2.35:1. You going to zoom those?

I've sent countless e-mails to DISC asking them to change the logos on all of their channels but they just ignore me.

I have a 42" Panasonic plasma up in my office (probably the cheapest one they sell TC42x24), it only has about 300-400 hours on it. I have seen image retention, but nothing permanent.

However this year I'm going to replace my 1080i 9" CRT driven 65" rear projector (which still has a killer picture I should add). It's been professionally calibrated and I've kept it up since. But it's almost 8 years old, and I can see from my colorimeter it's losing brightness slowly. And after 8 years, I can see that I watched a bunch of 2.35:1 material on it, as I can see the uneven wear. No matter what you do this will happen on your plasma as well. No matter how careful you care. If your not using the pixels they won't wear out... (i.e. black bars and 2.35:1) so those areas of the screen will start to show uneven wear after time.

Anyway... I'm not here to steer anyone. But isn't it hard to make a decision on a plasma when you know for sure you have to baby sit it? I suppose if you only watch 1.85:1 and never play games, and never watch any TV channels with crappy logos you're OK... The more I'm thinking about it the more uncomfortable it feels.

I myself wouldn't have played games on a plasma TV with less than 300-500 hours on it. I really believe the 1st 200-500 hours are critical.

So am I off base here? I mean I don't intend on buying a new TV every year or two like some of the folks on here do.

Originally Posted by crimsontime

I did babysit the TV for over 100 hours (ran slides thru it etc) but now it has burn in or really bad IR from gaming in only a month. If I had known that using my tv in what I consider a normal way could permanently damage it, I would not have bought this tv. And in fact I was told just what you said. Just prep it for 100 hours. Sorry to inform you that it didn't help in my case. I am not an expert and don't feel I should have to be to own a high end tv just to make sure it does not get ruined from and ordinary gamer's use pattern. From what I'm reading about this problme it is starting to sound like you need to be constantly monitoring your tv you are a gamer with a vt25 or even if you just watch programs with a logo well after the "break in" period.

Originally Posted by chunon

I watch ESPN alot and the other channels you mention. Just be reasonable with your setting the first 100 hours or so and you will be fine

Originally Posted by SiGGy

ya, you should be able to get a decent life out of the TV.

however... if you watch enough content with letter boxing (i.e. black bars) you'll eventually end up with uneven wear. It doesn't matter how cautious you are. The only way to avoid this would be to never watch anything with black bars.

I still plan on getting a plasma... things wear out. You replace them. I just hope I get 8 years our of this TV.

Originally Posted by chunon

Sorry to disagree but I have a px80u with 2500 plus hours and watch black bars sometimes and I do not see "uneven" wear".

Originally Posted by SiGGy

Disagree? This isn't a debate... These are facts. The only way you could disagree is you don't understand plasma technology and how phosphors age with use. If you don't use parts of the screen they don't wear out... I.E when parts of the screen are black" that section is essentially off and not being worn out (without getting into plasma driving details). Each pixel of your TV is 3 mini light bulbs basically. Those light bulbs that don't get used during the black bars will eventually be brighter than the rest of the screen.

2500 hours is nothing. I'd hit that usage in a bit over 1 year. If you could see uneven wear in 2500hours I would NEVER get a plasma.

My current TV has 20k+ hours on it and I can see uneven wear. But I've also watched a lot of material with black bars. And it's been calibrated since new, and completely maintained. In the early days without all the HD channels athere are now a lot of SD channels had black bars.

If you don't watch a lot of material with black bars, great. The reality is if you do you'll get uneven wear eventually. "Eventually" depends on how much material you view with black bars and how many hours your have on your set. A Panasonic plasma is rated at 100,000 to half-life. This means the panel will be 1/2 as bright as it was when it was new at 100,000 hours. Of course this 100,000hour depends on the max luminance you have set, a calibrated TV should last longer than one that isn't. At 2500 hours you're barely 2.5% of your way there.

Originally Posted by crimsontime

Just wanted to respond to this since I have burn in on my vt25 from playing Fallout 3. It's not "impossible" or any such thing. If you know gamers its normal to play a game for hours. I waited 100 hours before gaming, and I read posts from people who said it doesn't happen any more on new sets so I was complacent. It does happen people. Now I'm trying to find out if anyone who's had it was able to reverse it.

Originally Posted by Robin0719

I'll tell you, the more I read and the more I consider all the pluses and negatives about plasma, I just don't think I can do it. I am a casual gamer. I don't play all the time, but there are certainly times when I play for a couple of hours. I just feel like it's absurd for me to have to be concerned about something like this when I've paid so much for the TV. And then LCD has it's own problems. Maybe I will just stick with the crappy little 32" 720p set that I do have because for all the 'new and improved' technology it just seems like there are many more problems that come along with it.

Originally Posted by SiGGy

Disagree? This isn't a debate... These are facts. The only way you could disagree is you don't understand plasma technology and how phosphors age with use. If you don't use parts of the screen they don't wear out... I.E when parts of the screen are black" that section is essentially off and not being worn out (without getting into plasma driving details). Each pixel of your TV is 3 mini light bulbs basically. Those light bulbs that don't get used during the black bars will eventually be brighter than the rest of the screen.

2500 hours is nothing. I'd hit that usage in a bit over 1 year. If you could see uneven wear in 2500hours I would NEVER get a plasma.

My current TV has 20k+ hours on it and I can see uneven wear. But I've also watched a lot of material with black bars. And it's been calibrated since new, and completely maintained. In the early days without all the HD channels athere are now a lot of SD channels had black bars.

If you don't watch a lot of material with black bars, great. The reality is if you do you'll get uneven wear eventually. "Eventually" depends on how much material you view with black bars and how many hours your have on your set. A Panasonic plasma is rated at 100,000 to half-life. This means the panel will be 1/2 as bright as it was when it was new at 100,000 hours. Of course this 100,000hour depends on the max luminance you have set, a calibrated TV should last longer than one that isn't. At 2500 hours you're barely 2.5% of your way there.

Originally Posted by mustangs1

THis shouldn't be a problem in a 2010 Panasonic high end set. They need to get their act together for next year.

Originally Posted by Robin0719

I'll tell you, the more I read and the more I consider all the pluses and negatives about plasma, I just don't think I can do it. I am a casual gamer. I don't play all the time, but there are certainly times when I play for a couple of hours. I just feel like it's absurd for me to have to be concerned about something like this when I've paid so much for the TV. And then LCD has it's own problems. Maybe I will just stick with the crappy little 32" 720p set that I do have because for all the 'new and improved' technology it just seems like there are many more problems that come along with it.

Originally Posted by mailiang

I think you may be over reacting. As long as you don't ABUSE the set, which also means keeping the brightness and contrast at reasonable levels, you really shouldn't have a problem.

Ian

Originally Posted by Peter Johnson

Don't let the paranoia frighten you away from the superior picture that plasma displays produce. Just limit stationary images during its lifetime, especially during the first few months.

Originally Posted by Robin0719

I don't really feel like watching movies with black bars and playing games for a couple of hours should be considered abuse. I just think it's absurd that when I spend $1000+ I have to worry that I might screw up my TV by simply having it on. And I will worry about it if I get a plasma, no matter what anyone here might say. It's disturbing to me that, the OP played a game that I also play, for only a few hours, and he got IR that has lasted at least a few days. So far he hasn't said if it's completely gone. That's on the #1 rated TV of 2010. I won't be buying anything quite as good as that. I don't know, it just really seems ridiculous.

I actually had a Samsung LED LCD in my house a few weeks ago that I returned due to clouding and flashlighting problems, so I decided to really read up on plasma. I have reached a point where I just can't decide on anything. LCD has blur (or creepy soap opera effect) and usually terrible lag. Plasma has burn in and possible buzzing. I just want a TV that looks nice, doesn't have motion blur, doesn't buzz, and will not retain images. Why is that so much to ask for?

Originally Posted by Robin0719

So why don't they make 1080p CRT televisions? I'm sure there is some kind of technical reason I don't know about. I was wondering that the other day actually. If they could made a high def CRT I'd be all over that.

Originally Posted by Vicariously

But, honestly, if you use your tv for mixed content, don't even worry about BI or IR. I can bet my ass the folks who say got burn in are those who play the same game with an ever present HUD on torch mode.

Originally Posted by robin0719

so why don't they make 1080p crt televisions? I'm sure there is some kind of technical reason i don't know about. I was wondering that the other day actually. If they could made a high def crt i'd be all over that.

Originally Posted by Vicariously

Well, if that's truly BI, then that sucks, man. My dad's LG is older than your g20, and he uses it mainly to watch soccer games, with that awful score box at the top corner. And no signs of burn in.