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post #31 of 88
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Originally Posted by MakaKam View Post

I tried reformatting (with mobo audio disabled), different versions of ffdshow and mpc-hc, PDVD 9 and 10, TMT3 with the newest update and... still nothing. In mpc-hc I get only silence and in PDVD and TMT3 only dts and dd.

Yep, that's exactly what I'm seeing, except that MPC-HC plays PCM audio. I guess we'll see what happens. If I am to ditch the AMD and go with the core i3, it would have to be a new cpu, mobo, and memory. If nothing works, I'll just have to stick with non-HD audio. But damn, I really want that DTS-HD Master light up on the receiver.
post #32 of 88
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Ok, so nothing has worked for me. I even reformatted today. PowerDVD still does not give me the option of streaming HD audio. I tried TMT3, and if I set it to "original primary audio," information shows that it streams regular DTS (should be DTS-HD). If I set it "auto-mix" it shows DTS-HD Master, but my receiver displays only DTS. So I honestly have no idea what's to blame, and I don't have any other way to test bitstreaming. The receiver is not set to pass audio through to TV, EDID override makes no difference, and all of the drivers are the most recent ones. The cables are all HDMI 1.3 certified.
post #33 of 88
Sputnik, have you confirmed that your Onkyo can bitstream through HDMI with another source other than your HTPC? I seem to remember that Onkyo has some sort of strange setting which must be set to allow bitstreaming through HDMI, but I don't remember what it was.

I would start out troubleshooting this problem from the receiver and work my way backward. That is, attach a hardware Blu-ray player to the Onkyo and make sure you are bitstreaming with it first. Once you have that working reliably, then attach the PC and get that going.

Another thought I had - I once had the same problem as you and it turned out to be an HDMI splitter that I had in my system, even though it was not directly connected to the source that was giving me the problem. If you have any HDMI splitters, distribution amps, or switches, take them out of the system entirely at least for now for troubleshooting purposes. They can drive you insane trying to pinpoint a problem...I know first hand...
post #34 of 88
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Originally Posted by Bob Sorel View Post

Sputnik, have you confirmed that your Onkyo can bitstream through HDMI with another source other than your HTPC? I seem to remember that Onkyo has some sort of strange setting which must be set to allow bitstreaming through HDMI, but I don't remember what it was.

I would start out troubleshooting this problem from the receiver and work my way backward. That is, attach a hardware Blu-ray player to the Onkyo and make sure you are bitstreaming with it first. Once you have that working reliably, then attach the PC and get that going.

Another thought I had - I once had the same problem as you and it turned out to be an HDMI splitter that I had in my system, even though it was not directly connected to the source that was giving me the problem. If you have any HDMI splitters, distribution amps, or switches, take them out of the system entirely at least for now for troubleshooting purposes. They can drive you insane trying to pinpoint a problem...I know first hand...

Thanks for the suggestions. If I can get my hands on another blu-ray player, I'll definitely try it out, but I really don't have anything else that I can use to test. I have a macbook pro, but I'm not sure if that is even capable of bitstreaming, nor does it have a blu ray player anyway. I looked through all of the setup menus and the owners manual for the receiver, and can't find anything that needs to be set differently. No splitters of any kind either. Maybe one day I'll buy a PS3 and see what happens there, but until then, I will probably just have to settle for regular audio.

Just out of curiosity, my HDMI cables are 1.3 certified, but they are not Monster Cable or anything. Is it possible that they don't provide the bandwidth for HD audio, even though they are HDMI 1.3?
post #35 of 88
I suppose you wouldn't need a BD-Player to test:

http://www.eu.onkyo.com/press/press_...n_8688430.html



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post #36 of 88
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Thanks for the suggestions. If I can get my hands on another blu-ray player, I'll definitely try it out, but I really don't have anything else that I can use to test.

Someone you know must have one that you could borrow for a day or a few hours. You need to make sure that your receiver is bitstreaming first or you will be troubleshooting your PC forever.

If I remember correctly, the setting for the Onkyo was something along the lines of "TV audio" or "TV sound" and it must be turned OFF or else the Onkyo will not bitstream. I know it doesn't make sense, but it was something like that which prevented my Oppo Blu-ray player from bitstreaming even though I had the Oppo specifically set up to bitstream only. All I kept getting from the Onkyo was "multi-channel PCM" until I changed that setting. I would have never guessed that it would be a problem, but some other more experienced Onkyo guys here in the forum were kind enough to inform me of this anomaly.

I know you are busy, but don't worry, we will be here for a long time, so do what you gotta do for your med studies first and when you have the opportunity, please confirm that you have bitstreaming working with the Onkyo before we continue to try to troubleshoot your PC. It will be a very frustrating experience if it turns out that you are troubleshooting the wrong piece of gear...

That being said, if you followed ricaballuh's guide at Doom9 that he linked to in an earlier post and bitstreaming is still not working, I would say that there is a good chance that the problem is elsewhere in your setup. I followed ricabullah's guide to the letter and I got everything working perfectly, so I know personally that his settings are correct.

Either that or there is something else about your PC that we do not know or even suspect from what you have told us. Even the best of the troubleshooters around here (certainly not me!) will have problems shooting in the dark.

So relax, take your time and calm down. Eventually you will get the answer - you are definitely at the right place (AVSforum)...these guys are the best!
post #37 of 88
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Originally Posted by Bob Sorel View Post

Someone you know must have one that you could borrow for a day or a few hours. You need to make sure that your receiver is bitstreaming first or you will be troubleshooting your PC forever.

If I remember correctly, the setting for the Onkyo was something along the lines of "TV audio" or "TV sound" and it must be turned OFF or else the Onkyo will not bitstream. I know it doesn't make sense, but it was something like that which prevented my Oppo Blu-ray player from bitstreaming even though I had the Oppo specifically set up to bitstream only. All I kept getting from the Onkyo was "multi-channel PCM" until I changed that setting. I would have never guessed that it would be a problem, but some other more experienced Onkyo guys here in the forum were kind enough to inform me of this anomaly.

I know you are busy, but don't worry, we will be here for a long time, so do what you gotta do for your med studies first and when you have the opportunity, please confirm that you have bitstreaming working with the Onkyo before we continue to try to troubleshoot your PC. It will be a very frustrating experience if it turns out that you are troubleshooting the wrong piece of gear...

That being said, if you followed ricaballuh's guide at Doom9 that he linked to in an earlier post and bitstreaming is still not working, I would say that there is a good chance that the problem is elsewhere in your setup. I followed ricabullah's guide to the letter and I got everything working perfectly, so I know personally that his settings are correct.

Either that or there is something else about your PC that we do not know or even suspect from what you have told us. Even the best of the troubleshooters around here (certainly not me!) will have problems shooting in the dark.

So relax, take your time and calm down. Eventually you will get the answer - you are definitely at the right place (AVSforum)...these guys are the best!

Thanks. Out of everyone I know, the only person who has anything capable of bitstreaming is my little brother and his PS3. Unfortunately, I'm 4 states away. But as you said, I'll troubleshoot here and there when I have the time, and hopefully figure something out. Thanks everyone for all of your help.

Edit: yea, tv sound (audio tv out on mine) is turned off.
post #38 of 88
Likely already done, but have you tried all the hdmi inputs in the Onkyo? i remember something from the forums about only some inputs ( #4?) working.
post #39 of 88
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Yep, tried all of them.
post #40 of 88
I need a sc like this (in your case it's gonna be Onkyo)




Can you see something like this?


btw: Bob really felt
thx a lot.

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post #41 of 88
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Originally Posted by ricabullah View Post

I need a sc like this (in your case it's gonna be Onkyo)




Can you see something like this?


btw: Bob really felt
thx a lot.

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Yep, that's exactly what I see, the only difference being that I see 6 channels instead of 8, and a few more bit depths and sample rates. That's why it frustrates me, because in theory, everything should work.
post #42 of 88
OK, lets try using multiple displays?

Your connection was VGA HDMI to AVR and AVR to TV, correct?

Lets change the connections:

Leave VGA HDMI to AVR HDMI IN conection as is and disconnect AVR to TV connection.

The second connection of yours is gonna be DVI to TV with a DVI to HDMI cable.
And this time you will send video and audio seperately.

And you will get multiple displays.

When you reboot your computer you wil get an empty desktop.

Rightclick and select "screen resolution" > You will see two displays:

One is Onkyo" (or ATi HDMI Output" in your case) the other one is gonna be eg Philips TV (or anything else)

Tick "bla bla TV" and select "make this my main display" option box.
Adjust screen resolution and "refresh rate"

Reboot and go to playback devices and select and configure "Onkyo" (ATI HDMI Output).

Here are some screen caps:







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post #43 of 88
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That's very interesting, I'll give that a shot. Good thing I have a DVI to HDMI adapter laying around.
post #44 of 88
Good luck then
post #45 of 88
From the HT-R380 manual, HDMI setup, pages 32 and 33:

1. Audio TV OUT is off by default, which is OK,

2. What about Audio Return Ch (ARC) on page 33? Set it to off and try.
post #46 of 88
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No luck, same problem. One thing I noticed though, after I formatted and did the reclock method, regardless of my monitor setup. Now, when watching what I believe is DTS-HD through MPC, ffdshow tells me:

Input 48000 Hz, 6 channels, 1535 kbps DTS (bitstream)
Output S/PDIF (1401)

That's interesting, because apparently bitstreaming is working, (and the windows volume control is not doing anything). I wonder if maybe my receiver is at fault, or it really is a driver issue?
post #47 of 88
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Originally Posted by Tulli View Post

From the HT-R380 manual, HDMI setup, pages 32 and 33:

1. Audio TV OUT is off by default, which is OK,

2. What about Audio Return Ch (ARC) on page 33? Set it to off and try.

Audio return channel is off as well.
post #48 of 88
What generation is your Bravia TV? I mean, your AVR is HDMI 1.4, i.e. latest generation. Is the TV HDMI 1.3 at least? Just shooting in the dark for a reason to your problem ...

I'm looking for a working 720p EDID override to make a test ... (I know that the custom EDID override made for your specific TV didn't work).
post #49 of 88
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Originally Posted by Tulli View Post

What generation is your Bravia TV? I mean, your AVR is HDMI 1.4, i.e. latest generation. Is the TV HDMI 1.3 at least? Just shooting in the dark for a reason to your problem ...

Can you please try this EDID override?

Don't worry about the display device being a Samsung and the AVR a DENON. It's just a test. If this doesn't work then problem must be between the Onkyo and the Sony TV.

Do you have AnyDVDHD?

You actually gave me the override for my exact TV a couple days ago. It didn't help unfortunately. I bought the TV maybe 4 months ago, I really don't know if it supports 1.3, but I think it should. It is a KDL-32EX400.
post #50 of 88
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Originally Posted by sputnik767 View Post

You actually gave me the override for my exact TV a couple days ago. It didn't help unfortunately. I bought the TV maybe 4 months ago, I really don't know if it supports 1.3, but I think it should. It is a KDL-32EX400. But I will try this override and report back.

Ok, I edited the post as I realized that that specific EDID does not carry a 720p resolution in the base block. Sorry about that.

Still looking for a compatible EDID to make the test ...

...

OK, try this one.
post #51 of 88
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Originally Posted by sputnik767 View Post

No luck, same problem. One thing I noticed though, after I formatted and did the reclock method, regardless of my monitor setup. Now, when watching what I believe is DTS-HD through MPC, ffdshow tells me:

Input 48000 Hz, 6 channels, 1535 kbps DTS (bitstream)
Output S/PDIF (1401)

That's interesting, because apparently bitstreaming is working, (and the windows volume control is not doing anything). I wonder if maybe my receiver is at fault, or it really is a driver issue?

That's the core track of DTS, so not DTS-HD MA.
post #52 of 88
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Originally Posted by Tulli View Post

Ok, I edited the post as I realized that that specific EDID does not carry a 720p resolution in the base block. Sorry about that.

Still looking for a compatible EDID to make the test ...

...

OK, try this one.

Ok, with this one, I was able to play a TrueHD video clip, and it worked properly. Trying to play a blu ray now, but for some reason it seems to crash. I'm rebooting, hopefully it'll be fixed.

Edit: Oh my god, you are a genius. Everything works just as it should. Thank you so much. I don't know how you did it, but my hat's off to you. I appreciate all of the help all of you guys gave me.
post #53 of 88
Excellent! Now to find out what is precisely wrong with your EDID combination. I don't have time now but will eventually report later ...
post #54 of 88
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Originally Posted by Tulli View Post

Excellent! Now to find out what is precisely wrong with your EDID combination. I don't have time now but will eventually report later ...

Thank you so much. But honestly, don't worry about it. Everything works, and I'm happy.
post #55 of 88
Thanks Tulli! I suspected it was an EDID issue but I didn't have the time to look hard into it.
post #56 of 88
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Originally Posted by vladd View Post

Thanks Tulli! I suspected it was an EDID issue but I didn't have the time to look hard into it.

See, this is what's so annoying. I thought that 10.4+ drivers didn't need an EDID fix. I suspected that that was what was wrong with my 5450/Yamaha 663 combination, but never tried it because "there was no need to anymore".

Really glad you got it sorted out, Sputnik. Tulli is amazing and extremely helpful - a rare combination.
post #57 of 88
Hi Guys,

I have the same problem but with an onkyo tx-sr308 and LG 50" ps8000.

I would be greatful if someone could create a EDID file that matches my setup.

Best regards
Jacob
post #58 of 88
Tulli Can you help me with my EDID? I have already gotten some EDID override from you some time ago but it didn't help. Now when you solved sputnik767's issue I hope(again) you can help me as well My avr is onkyo ht-r538 and my tv is philips pfl5604h. This is the override you created for me earlier http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...8#post19034288 Thanks in advance.

edit:
I tried the override You created for sputnik767 and.. I couldn't believe my own eyes as both DTS HD and Dolby True HD is really working now! Tulli I don't know how You do what You do with EDID but thanks a lot
post #59 of 88
Yes, there's definitely still an EDID parsing issue with the ATI drivers (at least latest releases) that affects bitstreaming. I will look into it for these latest Onkyos and report back.

@mylle: try meanwhile any of the EDID overrides on the table listed on 1st post of link in my sig. closest to your HDTV specs and see if it also works for you.
post #60 of 88
Hi Tulli,

I tried the file you made for sputnik 767 and it works perfect for me too.

Thank you sooooo much. Been struggeling with this forever.

regards
Jacob
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