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post #241 of 515
1/20/11 at 10:50am
The settings posted in that magazine article are very similar to the ones I came up with using the AVS HD 709 test disk. I never played with white balance, though, because I don't have a meter to check accuracy. I've used those settings on my cable and blu-ray inputs for several weeks now and have had good luck with them so far. Also of note, with the backlight set to minimum as recommended by the authors, the brightness uniformity is much better (but still a glaring problem with this set IMO). Opening credits or any white text on a black background in a light controlled environment easily displays this issue. I'm not sure if it something that can be reproduced by a camera, but maybe I will try and do so to see if we can determine how widespread backlight uniformity issues are.
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post #242 of 515
1/20/11 at 1:04pm
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Originally Posted by soberparty View Post

How long ago did you get the lx900? I have read in threads here that there is a 6 week break in period with these sets. Maybe thats what your seeing....and maybe why it is so inconsistant...I dont know, just taking a stab at it.

Really wanting my TV but alas....

Received it on December 3. I was away for a week during the holidays, but I don't recall ever seeing this purplish smearing before the holidays. Maybe mine is exhibiting this behavior the longer it breaks in. If so, not a good sign for me. I have it on for five hours or so on any given weekday and probably eight hours or longer each weekend day. I'll keep my eye on it for sure to see if it continues to show up more.
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post #243 of 515
1/20/11 at 9:24pm
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Originally Posted by dbburns View Post

That does really suck. Poor customer service there.

1. Two times now, while watching TV, my TV has rebooted itself, out of the blue. By rebooted, I mean it just shut itself off and then back on again, a process which took about 15-20 seconds.

It is probable the motion sensor turning the TV off. Mine does this when I don't move off the couch for long periods. If you wave your arm it will come back on.
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post #244 of 515
1/20/11 at 10:07pm
Got the TV yesterday as a replacement of my 60" XBR2 LCOS.

Two issues:

1) The TV seems smaller than the XBR2. It may be the lack of the 'Dumbo ears" that gives some optical illusion, but I measured the screen in its diagonal and it does not read 60"... Could anyone confirm the measurement on the 60LX900 screen??

2) TV works fine with comcast cable box, but when plugged to my home theater PC, I see some issues:
- Connection via HDMI
- NVIDIA 9000 series video card
- 2 x ATI DIGITAL CABLE TUNER w/ Cablecard
- screen resolution - 1080p, 59Hz.

When the TV is set to SCENE SELECT = AUTO, the screens flicks and shows a banner stating mode change many times. But the worst happen when HBO is selected in the computer, the TV SHUTS ITSELF OFF after flickering for a while, then restarts itself, just to shut itself off again and again.

My former Sony 60" XBR2 worked fine with the computer.

My bypass is to select SCENE = GENERAL and it then is OK, but I am concerned with the strange behavior.

Has anyone seen anything like this?
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post #245 of 515
1/21/11 at 8:03am
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Originally Posted by NBoyer View Post

It is probable the motion sensor turning the TV off. Mine does this when I don't move off the couch for long periods. If you wave your arm it will come back on.

I thought I disabled that feature. I'll have to double check when I get home. Thanks for the suggestion.
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post #246 of 515
1/21/11 at 10:08am
In my case the motion sensor is off. The shut down issue is related to the hdmi signal coming from the video card, but only when the ATI digital cable tuner is on HBO HD.
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post #247 of 515
1/21/11 at 2:24pm
I've never really posted much at the AVS Forum but I have always followed the posts and information that can be found here when selecting a new TV or piece of audio gear.

Anyhow, I thought it was time to share some of my settings and photos with all you good folks!

First off, I don't know how to ISF a television although I'm not scared to tinker with the service menus and I've done this with several previous displays although not this newer Sony LX900. I may at some point but haven't felt the need yet with my current settings to tinker further as I'm quite pleased with the results. I've done all my calibration settings using Digital Video Essentials: HD Basics [Blu-ray] via a PS3 with current firmware and high speed HDMI cable connected directly to the LX900. I will share my settings below.

To speak briefly on 3D...I am quite pleased with the 3D image on this display although there are times you do catch a bit of ghosting or crosstalk as it's called. I've noticed this depends greatly on the quality of the source signal. That said, I read a few pages back and also found on the SONY's forum a number to call for additional Polarized lens films for the glasses that come with this display. I highly suggest that if you find any ghosting present with your display that you call their tech support and have these sent free of charge to you right away. They completely eliminated the Crosstalk I was experiencing and I may now tilt my head to either left or right without any breakdown of the 3D image. I suspect that some individuals see at higher frame rates or lesser for that matter and are therefore more susceptible to crosstalk. The calibration of the glasses and display work best for the largest subset of individuals. It works well for me but not as well as I thought it could and the Polarized film absolutely did the trick! MUST HAVE!!!

I have tried these settings that were posted earlier at this forum from hometheater.com but I have to say, I prefer mine. This is personal opinion of course and if any of you want to try my settings especially if you also use a PS3 as your primary source player I'd love to hear the ways you think things can be improved. So much of this becomes subjective depending on ambient room lighting conditions, etc.

2D Settings:

(I'm going right down the list and am not putting the titles for each setting in here)

Light Sensor: OFF (Sometimes ON depending on content and room lighting conditions)
Power Saving: OFF

HDMI 1 - PS3

Current Input
Standard
5
88
50
57
0
Neutral
5
Low
Low
Clear 1
Auto 1
Low
Low
0
Medium
Low
Low
Bias and Gain (Advanced) Zero's for all.

PS3 Settings:

FULL/Limited : FULL
Auto for most all other video (BR) related settings
Clear White: ON

And here are some photos which were taken with my Smartphone. Not the best but you'll get the idea.

I use my TV for Video Games and Bluray movies primarily. I also have an Apple TV for some basic watching but when I need my fix for quick internet based HD content I default to VUDU via PS3. Nothing beats having the actual BR disc though!

I'm running an old school Yamaha RX-V1 (Soon to be replaced)
Paradigm Studio Series 80 Front L/R
Paradigm Reference Studio Series CC-490 Center
Paradigm PW-2200 Sub
Paradigm Dipole L/R Rear Surround (Monitor Series)
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post #248 of 515
1/22/11 at 1:30am
Heres a link for that polarized glasses number (i think I have to try it but I think its right)


http://www.kb.sony.com/selfservice/m...00%20221912953
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post #249 of 515
1/22/11 at 5:26am
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Originally Posted by soberparty View Post

Heres a link for that polarized glasses number (i think I have to try it but I think its right)

when I look at this page, at the bottom it has a list of applicable tv sets; one of which is XBR60LX905 (which I've never heard of before).

I found a product support reference page on the Sony website, but there's not any real info.

http://esupport.sony.com/LA/perl/mod...mdl=XBR60LX905

Also, if you google it, you get a bunch of foreign language hits, so maybe its just an international version of the 900?
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post #250 of 515
1/22/11 at 6:51am
Hanging my LX900 today, pray for me.
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post #251 of 515
1/22/11 at 7:15am
I am dipping my toes into 3D and I must be doing something wrong?

I recorded the Sony Open 3D golf and I'm not impressed. A lot of ghosting and nothing really "pops"? I checked all of the 3D settings and I think they are ok. And yes, I turned the glasses on.

Any ideas?
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post #252 of 515
1/22/11 at 11:15am
Soo, I picked up a 60" LX900 on boxing day at Futureshop. The TV was heavily discounted ($1600 off list price). It was even cheaper then the Sony store themselves.

So I buy the set and I'm told they don't have any more, and I won't get my set for two weeks. Okay, whatever I can wait given the discount.

Long story short, I find out the TV has been discontinued and it isn't going to come at all. There were other TVs I could have bought on boxing day, but didn't because I thought I had already purchased my TV... They offer to sell me a demo unit instead.

All they are willing to give me is $100+tax off the demo unit since the savings were huge and the TV was back up to regular price again. I'm told the demo is like new and no different then buying a new TV, only exception is that it's been opened already.

Okay, I buy the TV. First thing that I thought was weird: There was no box. They just wrapped it up (very well) with bubble wrap. I examined the TV quickly but it seemed fine. The screen was REALLY dirty/greasy.

I get it home and note some more problems. The cable management panels are both missing. I contact them right away and they tell me they'll take care of it. I then notice there's damaged plastic on the back of the TV from the wrong wall mount being used. I tell them about that too, but I'm willing to look past it since it's behind the TV and I got a great deal on the TV....

I'm trying to keep this as short as possible (And failing), but yesterday I find out it'll take 2 weeks to get my missing cable management panels. (Which puts me past my TV return period... And it isn't even a for sure thing that I'm getting the panels. Just that Sony "Told them 2 weeks, if they have it." Whatever that means!).

I've been avoiding mounting my TV on the wall this entire time because of those missing panels. I've also avoided cleaning the screen because I was going to do it when I wall mounted the TV (Which I was planning on doing two weeks ago). Anyways, I decide to clean my screen today and I notice two DEEP gouges in the screen! Like, if I run my nail along it, my nail will go INTO the glass a little and get caught. There are two of these on the front of the panel.

What would you guys do in this case? I'm obviously returning it. Problem is, I can't replace the TV for what I paid and Futureshop doesn't carry the 60" anymore. (To give you an idea on price paid, it's $300 less then the best online deal....)
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post #253 of 515
1/22/11 at 12:27pm
Maybe don't shop futureshop in the future? Sound like that "heavily discounted price" came with more than 1 pitfall. Sorry to hear about your misfortune, but I guess "buyer beware" rules came into play. (Kinda like buying a new XBR2 way back when..) If you can prove your price was for a NEW unit, I would pursue a full refund. Almost seems like a bait and switch tactic, good luck!
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post #254 of 515
1/22/11 at 3:04pm
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Originally Posted by mgbdude View Post

Maybe don't shop futureshop in the future? Sound like that "heavily discounted price" came with more than 1 pitfall. Sorry to hear about your misfortune, but I guess "buyer beware" rules came into play. (Kinda like buying a new XBR2 way back when..) If you can prove your price was for a NEW unit, I would pursue a full refund. Almost seems like a bait and switch tactic, good luck!

I usually pick Best Buy over Futureshop, but I find that FS has a better TV selection and I had some gift cards I wanted to use. Lesson learned!

I don't think getting my money back will be an issue, it's been two weeks since I bought it. I'm more worried about the fact I cannot replace it for the price I purchased it for, or even the original Boxing Day price. I doubt FS will do anything to keep me happy. (I'll find out tomorrow)
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post #255 of 515
1/23/11 at 5:35pm
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Originally Posted by soberparty View Post

Heres a link for that polarized glasses number (i think I have to try it but I think its right)


http://www.kb.sony.com/selfservice/m...00%20221912953

Is it a snap-on/off type thing, or adhesive?
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post #256 of 515
1/23/11 at 7:11pm
I've been running out-of-box settings since receiving this set in Nov. (other than the eco crap, etc.) and have been pleased. Today, it was time to begin tweaking so I began with the ht.com settings. I waited until nightfall, watching the Pittsburgh/Jets game, and personally found these settings to be terrible. The picture looked much like my xbr2 with 12K hours on the bulb.

So I changed to tyscherb settings which are much better. I plan to tweak these settings over the next few days after watching various content. I will then plug in DVE disc and fine tune. I would really like a consensus from other members on the ht.com settings which left me scratching my head
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post #257 of 515
1/23/11 at 11:50pm
I am using the HT settings and they are great for film content. Sports are a whole different ballgame (no pun intended).
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post #258 of 515
1/24/11 at 9:39am
The lens fits between the existing lens and the frame of the glasses on the front side. No adhesive and it's removable.
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post #259 of 515
1/25/11 at 6:45am
I just setup my 60lx900 with the magazines settings, there dark but I kinda like em, haven't watched the 3d ones yet but will try it out later. I just set the 2d and then set the 3d in theater mode for easy switching. I thought I had found the best settings but I was way off from the magazines. Nice though to have some professionals input.
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post #260 of 515
1/25/11 at 9:02am
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Originally Posted by sierra248 View Post

I just setup my 60lx900 with the magazines settings, there dark but I kinda like em, haven't watched the 3d ones yet but will try it out later. I just set the 2d and then set the 3d in theater mode for easy switching. I thought I had found the best settings but I was way off from the magazines. Nice though to have some professionals input.

watch the pro bowl and report back. i believe c.kingsley's statement that "sports are a whole different ballgame" is accurate. and it may be that "field" sports are worse. i will try the ht settings for different content, including basketball.
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post #261 of 515
1/25/11 at 10:56pm
I received my 60LX900 today... Major disappointment in comparison to the 60XBR1 that it's supposed to replace.

Unfortunately I'm getting a lot of brightness enhancement along the bottom and lower sides of the set. The corners, especially the lower left is the worst.

Like others said the viewing angle on these sets is bad.... It really is... Even when you are within the "cone" of good viewing, if you shift left or right the slightest degree, the lighting dramatically changes across the image... I've never seen this before on any type of display technology.

I an see why Sony is moving away from edge lighting... It's bad... Really bad.

It's time to call Sony tomorrow and see what they can do about this....
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post #262 of 515
1/26/11 at 7:44am
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Originally Posted by vidkidd View Post

I received my 60LX900 today... Major disappointment in comparison to the 60XBR1 that it's supposed to replace.

Unfortunately I'm getting a lot of brightness enhancement along the bottom and lower sides of the set. The corners, especially the lower left is the worst.

Like others said the viewing angle on these sets is bad.... It really is... Even when you are within the "cone" of good viewing, if you shift left or right the slightest degree, the lighting dramatically changes across the image... I've never seen this before on any type of display technology.

I an see why Sony is moving away from edge lighting... It's bad... Really bad.

It's time to call Sony tomorrow and see what they can do about this....

My experience has been very different. I guess you can't satisfy all of the people, all of the time. I assume you have played with the settings? My picture is great, angles are no problem, a little flashlighting but not noticeable unless I have a grey screen. Still haven't been blown away by 3D yet, but hopefully soon. Good luck.
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post #263 of 515
1/26/11 at 8:26am
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Originally Posted by bigtuna View Post

My experience has been very different. I guess you can't satisfy all of the people, all of the time. I assume you have played with the settings? My picture is great, angles are no problem, a little flashlighting but not noticeable unless I have a grey screen. Still haven't been blown away by 3D yet, but hopefully soon. Good luck.

I will have to agree with bigtuna. Is it the "greatest tv known to man"...no.

This is a very good set and a great picture however; Viewing angle is alot better than I had originally expected as well as the "lack" of flashlighting, or edge-lit issues. 3D is ok...depends entirely on the content. ghosting during nat. championship football, especially in text boxes, was horrible; "controlled" 3D content is sometimes breathtaking.

I cannot make the same "really bad" comparison between my 60lx900 and my now green-stained 60xbr2...
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post #264 of 515
1/26/11 at 9:26am
I prefer the lx900 to the 60xbr2 I had some qualities are worse some are better number one being it works
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post #265 of 515
1/27/11 at 8:03am
It kinda telling that most of us who recieved these sets at major discounts for our XBR2 woes seem to all agree the LX900 is a pretty nice unit. Makes a difference when your wallet doesn't take quite the hit.
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post #266 of 515
1/27/11 at 8:52am
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Originally Posted by mgbdude View Post

It kinda telling that most of us who recieved these sets at major discounts for our XBR2 woes seem to all agree the LX900 is a pretty nice unit. Makes a difference when your wallet doesn't take quite the hit.

Lol yeah I hear that but picture quality is really nice. I love 3d networking features and the thin form factor is nice. Cool that I have the opportunity to hang if I want also love the audio return channel.
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post #267 of 515
1/27/11 at 10:29am
I just took this information and called and called until I got connected. My last attempt had me go through no less than 7 promts, and 2 transfers...and 1+ hours on the phone.....no lie.

My phone was litterally on its last battery power when I got a woman that is sending the glasses lenses for me in the mail. So, I couldnt take the time to investigate exactly WHAT these things are for the glasses....I just simply said " I just bought the TV last Friday, and I continue to see ghosting around all the people on the screen" .......so as to what the woman sent me in the mail, I have no idea if its new glasses, or new lenses, or some kind of sticker like patch to go over the exitsing lenses. I just used tyscherbs post below to get this done; Thats it.

Thank you tyscherb!

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Originally Posted by tyscherb View Post

I've never really posted much at the AVS Forum but I have always followed the posts and information that can be found here when selecting a new TV or piece of audio gear.

Anyhow, I thought it was time to share some of my settings and photos with all you good folks!

First off, I don't know how to ISF a television although I'm not scared to tinker with the service menus and I've done this with several previous displays although not this newer Sony LX900. I may at some point but haven't felt the need yet with my current settings to tinker further as I'm quite pleased with the results. I've done all my calibration settings using Digital Video Essentials: HD Basics [Blu-ray] via a PS3 with current firmware and high speed HDMI cable connected directly to the LX900. I will share my settings below.

To speak briefly on 3D...I am quite pleased with the 3D image on this display although there are times you do catch a bit of ghosting or crosstalk as it's called. I've noticed this depends greatly on the quality of the source signal. That said, I read a few pages back and also found on the SONY's forum a number to call for additional Polarized lens films for the glasses that come with this display. I highly suggest that if you find any ghosting present with your display that you call their tech support and have these sent free of charge to you right away. They completely eliminated the Crosstalk I was experiencing and I may now tilt my head to either left or right without any breakdown of the 3D image. I suspect that some individuals see at higher frame rates or lesser for that matter and are therefore more susceptible to crosstalk. The calibration of the glasses and display work best for the largest subset of individuals. It works well for me but not as well as I thought it could and the Polarized film absolutely did the trick! MUST HAVE!!!

I have tried these settings that were posted earlier at this forum from hometheater.com but I have to say, I prefer mine. This is personal opinion of course and if any of you want to try my settings especially if you also use a PS3 as your primary source player I'd love to hear the ways you think things can be improved. So much of this becomes subjective depending on ambient room lighting conditions, etc.

2D Settings:

(I'm going right down the list and am not putting the titles for each setting in here)

Light Sensor: OFF (Sometimes ON depending on content and room lighting conditions)
Power Saving: OFF

HDMI 1 - PS3

Current Input
Standard
5
88
50
57
0
Neutral
5
Low
Low
Clear 1
Auto 1
Low
Low
0
Medium
Low
Low
Bias and Gain (Advanced) Zero's for all.

PS3 Settings:

FULL/Limited : FULL
Auto for most all other video (BR) related settings
Clear White: ON

And here are some photos which were taken with my Smartphone. Not the best but you'll get the idea.

I use my TV for Video Games and Bluray movies primarily. I also have an Apple TV for some basic watching but when I need my fix for quick internet based HD content I default to VUDU via PS3. Nothing beats having the actual BR disc though!

I'm running an old school Yamaha RX-V1 (Soon to be replaced)
Paradigm Studio Series 80 Front L/R
Paradigm Reference Studio Series CC-490 Center
Paradigm PW-2200 Sub
Paradigm Dipole L/R Rear Surround (Monitor Series)
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post #268 of 515
1/27/11 at 10:31am
Heres a link for that polarized glasses number (i think I have to try it but I think its right)


http://www.kb.sony.com/selfservice/m...00%20221912953


**EDIT***

UPDATE: this number was not in service...just the begining of what was to be a major quest to get whatever glasses mods he got. I dont even know if its worth it- I love the screen on my lx900. I only see ghosting when im less than a foot away from the screen. So I really just want anything that others have to further enhance (sp) the viewing experience, even if I dont need it.
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post #269 of 515
1/27/11 at 11:23am
Other than monster cleaner as another poster mentioned, whet is everyone using to clean the screens?

The amount of prints and smudges on the tv is just crazy. I cant believe how dirty my hands are....lol I know its because I am still grabbing it, and twisting it on the wall mount and angling it so its "just right" and then trying some other viewpoint. Any good advice here is welcome. I was just going to use typical blue colored glass cleaner and paper towels...the wife almost dropped dead and said "NO, You can't use that!" but she still hasent told me what the cleaning solutions are for this LX900 model...
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post #270 of 515
1/27/11 at 11:26am
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Originally Posted by soberparty View Post

Other than monster cleaner as another poster mentioned, whet is everyone using to clean the screens?

The amount of prints and smudges on the tv is just crazy. I cant believe how dirty my hands are....lol I know its because I am still grabbing it, and twisting it on the wall mount and angling it so its "just right" and then trying some other viewpoint. Any good advice here is welcome. I was just going to use typical blue colored glass cleaner and paper towels...the wife almost dropped dead and said "NO, You can't use that!" but she still hasent told me what the cleaning solutions are for this LX900 model...

Microfiber cloth and water will do it
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