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post #421 of 653
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Originally Posted by Kal Rubinson View Post

Could be many things.  Remember, my comparison was based on a particular setup in a particular room and I do allow for the possibility that Room Perfect could be better (or worse) in another situation.

Hi Kal - thanks for popping in. Yes, I'm thinking a bit the same, which is why my results with different Audyssey Pro processors, while there being appreciable differences, also exhibited certain familial similarities in other ways...

If you are ever interested in hearing the current setup, as I'm in northern NJ, let me know and you're welcome to stop by...
post #422 of 653
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Updated photos and room config in first post.
post #423 of 653
Whoa! I absolutely love the ceiling, nice job.

Do you notice any appreciable difference in the rears with 803's back there compared to the 805's? Were the 805's actually higher with them setting on the cabinet than the 803's are? If so, any differences due to that which you could pick up on, perhaps more envelopment from having the drivers higher perhaps? When I ran a 7.2 setup I had towers as well in the back, shorter than the 803's but I had them up on concrete blocks for added height but always wondering how a speaker mounted higher on the wall would sound back there.
post #424 of 653
Very nice!

What ceiling treatments are those?

Have you measured your room? Would love to see the FR and Waterfall with and W/O Roomperfect.

Thanks,

--J
post #425 of 653
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Originally Posted by Rod#S View Post

Whoa! I absolutely love the ceiling, nice job.

Do you notice any appreciable difference in the rears with 803's back there compared to the 805's? Were the 805's actually higher with them setting on the cabinet than the 803's are? If so, any differences due to that which you could pick up on, perhaps more envelopment from having the drivers higher perhaps? When I ran a 7.2 setup I had towers as well in the back, shorter than the 803's but I had them up on concrete blocks for added height but always wondering how a speaker mounted higher on the wall would sound back there.

Rod, we must meet! - I was having the same thought process, and brought up the 2 inch butcher block I was using for the amps originally, and put them under the 803's in the rear - yes, the 805's were a bit higher on the table, and you can tell...so I'll be running another RP today
Edited by thrang - 5/2/13 at 8:12am
post #426 of 653
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Very nice!

What ceiling treatments are those?

Have you measured your room? Would love to see the FR and Waterfall with and W/O Roomperfect.

Thanks,

--J

Ceiling treatments are Sonex Whisperwaves:

http://www.acousticalsolutions.com/whisperwave-clouds

I purchased drapery hangers from Ikea, custom made some mounts to the foam with glued plastic tabs, hooks, and stainless steel cable (well, my handyman did, I acted as a union official) I also purchased some LED strips and a dimmer from Amazon, and control the on/off the LEDs from an Insteon module connected to an ISY 994i controller, and configured within my Roomie Remote software

I am an idiot when it comes to doing room measurements (meaning, I don't know when I'm going something wrong or imprecise, so perhaps my results are skewed), so I am requiring fellow member addino to come over and learn it with me since he asks the same questions! (Tony?)
Edited by thrang - 5/2/13 at 8:34am
post #427 of 653
Thanks,

You two should visit my thread [URL=http://www.avsforum.com/t/1449924/simplified-rew-setup-and-use-usb-mic-hdmi-connection-including-measurement-techniques-and-how-to-interpret-graphs[/URL] and be sure to read AustinJerry's setup guide. We can get you up and running in no time! smile.gif

Yours is a room I'd love to see measured and it would help so much in putting into perspective all your subjective comments about your wonderful gear; especially the new EQ vs Audyssey and no EQ.

--J
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Thanks,

You two should visit my thread [URL=http://www.avsforum.com/t/1449924/simplified-rew-setup-and-use-usb-mic-hdmi-connection-including-measurement-techniques-and-how-to-interpret-graphs[/URL] and be sure to read AustinJerry's setup guide. We can get you up and running in no time! smile.gif

Yours is a room I'd love to see measured and it would help so much in putting into perspective all your subjective comments about your wonderful gear; especially the new EQ vs Audyssey and no EQ.

--J

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I will eventually look into this, though I'm going to be out of commission medically for a while, so taking measurements under Vicodin will certainly be approximate at best....smile.gif
post #429 of 653
hmmm weird. I simply clicked the link icon and pasted the URL.

I just tried copying/pasting the link above in a new tab minus the [URL] fields and the link itself works..

Anyway, just copy the following into a new tab/window on your browser and subscribe to the thread.

Measuring on Vicodin is better than going out and driving around... biggrin.gif Stay home and read AVS, learn REW, and get ready to start using your brain more than your pocketbook while you are recuperating because I really feel with the equipment and room you have now, the very obvious next step is to optimize it acoustically and we have a lot of great people in the thread that will help you along the way. I'm so interested in your room/equipment I'm more than willing to help you one on one, too, if you read up a bit and decide you are interested in pursuing it. wink.gif

The ceiling clouds were a great start, BTW and look very nice!

REW THREAD: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1449924/simplified-rew-setup-and-use-usb-mic-hdmi-connection-including-measurement-techniques-and-how-to-interpret-graphs
post #430 of 653
I loved the look of your room before but the "clouds" really do add a new dimension.

I totally support those who suggest you learn REW or if you want to measure out of the box, get OmniMIc. The improvements I was able to make in the sound in my room once I incorporated measurement were easily larger than any single other addition/change that I made. Speakers placement; sub distance adjustments (in the room correction system as well as physically); room treatment placement, etc.

Other than a few darkened, theater specific high end rooms I have seen, yours is easily the most attractive.

Great job.
post #431 of 653
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Why?....
I'm mostly speaking in regards Audyssey and RoomPerfect comparisons

Audyssey is very ahead in digital acoustics/room-correction development. An outgrowth of University Of Southern Calif (USC), IMSC Immersive Sound & Audio Lab department: cutting-edge research at the intersection of audio, psychoacoustics and signal processing. The project is developing algorithms for capturing and rendering sound that is indistinguishable from reality, providing an immersive experience for the listener through greater imaging and envelopment capabilities. I believe Immersive Sound was first to research 10.2 and 11.2 surround systems. The actual building structure which houses this department is incredible in-itself, constructed on acoustic shock isolators. I went on a tour back in mid-2000's, it is incredible.

I ahd never heard of RoomPerfect until I read more about the latest McIntosh home theater components (MX-151). However after doing a little research about Peter Lyngdorf I have total regard for his knowledge and experience in all aspects of audio products development. Peter founded Tact Audio ApS (now named "Lyngdorf Audio"), a digital-audio research group.
http://www.lyngdorf.com/about-us/history
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I mean, I was actually NOT expecting to experience much of a difference, and perhaps the quality of the 151 in and of itself is a larger part of the equation (I sort of noted as much in my post- perhaps a 121 with Audyssey would be a different experience than what I'm used to so far)....
yes, I can believe the performance is a summation of the combination of all the parts.

Anyway, the new room configuration and ceiling treatment looks very nice, wish I could hear it for myself.

I was also curious about the new rear surrounds, seems like they could spaced apart wider (larger rear field)?

Good luck with all the surgery stuff..............
post #432 of 653
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I loved the look of your room before but the "clouds" really do add a new dimension.

I totally support those who suggest you learn REW or if you want to measure out of the box, get OmniMIc. The improvements I was able to make in the sound in my room once I incorporated measurement were easily larger than any single other addition/change that I made. Speakers placement; sub distance adjustments (in the room correction system as well as physically); room treatment placement, etc.

Other than a few darkened, theater specific high end rooms I have seen, yours is easily the most attractive.

Great job.

Yes, I have an OmniMic v2, REW - I'm all set except the knowledge...smile.gif
post #433 of 653
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I was also curious about the new rear surrounds, seems like they could spaced apart wider (larger rear field)?
.....

Actually, based on their distance from the seating, they are falling about where Dolby and DTS recommend, though I have some room to play
post #434 of 653
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Yes, I have an OmniMic v2, REW - I'm all set except the knowledge...smile.gif

I bought the XTZ Pro 2 which is better? The Omnimic or the XTZ Pro
post #435 of 653
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Rod, we must meet! - I was having the same thought process, and brought up the 2 inch butcher block I was using for the amps originally, and put them under the 803's in the rear - yes, the 805's were a bit higher on the table, and you can tell...so I'll be running another RP today

That would be nice but unlikely unfortunately seeing as I live in eastern Canada

Heights really have screwed things up smile.gif Before heights there was always the debate on how high surround and rear surround speakers should be. With the introduction of heightsin a way that almost forced surround speakers back to ear level because there is now a purpose designed speaker for above the listener. Granted to date we only have a single pair of heights up front but Harman's Quantum logic implements 5 and if/when Dolby Atmos makes it's way into the home I would suspect that would allow for any number of height speakers. Things are getting more complicated then they need to be smile.gif
post #436 of 653
My solution to the heights/wides issue is to never hear it. As long as I don't know what I might or might not be missing, I have nothing to lust for. Ignorance is bliss!!
post #437 of 653
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My solution to the heights/wides issue is to never hear it. As long as I don't know what I might or might not be missing, I have nothing to lust for. Ignorance is bliss!!

LOL...but very true biggrin.gif
post #438 of 653
I lied.

I did hear the Harmon/Lexicon QLS system at CEDIA a few years ago and was ready to buy on the spot but the product was never completed. I would have figured out how to place the 43 height speakers (or whatever it was) if I could replicate what I heard in my room. Stunning audio!!
post #439 of 653
D100 VS MX150/MX151 2CH DAC Performance

Thrang,

Were you able to compare the DAC audio quality of the D100 vs MX151? I take it the D100 is connected to the Balanced-In's of the MX151, and as I understand it the MX151 does not completely bypass as it still digitizes all inputs, so its DAC/ADC more or less still comes into play, I'm wondering if this has much of an impact to the sound quality? Have you tried connecting your Mac Mini to the HDMI/Optical input of the MX151 and comparing?
post #440 of 653
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D100 VS MX150/MX151 2CH DAC Performance

Thrang,

Were you able to compare the DAC audio quality of the D100 vs MX151? I take it the D100 is connected to the Balanced-In's of the MX151, and as I understand it the MX151 does not completely bypass as it still digitizes all inputs, so its DAC/ADC more or less still comes into play, I'm wondering if this has much of an impact to the sound quality? Have you tried connecting your Mac Mini to the HDMI/Optical input of the MX151 and comparing?

Not yet, but when get home in the next few days from the hospital, (and can move around!) I intend to try
post #441 of 653
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Rod - looks like my foray into the 800's may be sooner than I thought - the 803D's, and two pairs of 805D's sold within 30 minutes on Audigon!

Should have asked for more!
post #442 of 653
Cograts, wow, that was incredibly fast, awesome. Are you going to try to get an audition of the 800's somewhere first or are you just going to jump in like I did? smile.gif
post #443 of 653
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I've heard them in the past, just not in the cards at the time - no matter, in room is always different...just trying to get all these Audiogon purchases taken care of - their system seems to have screwed up one of 805 sales - duplicating the invoice, but with $0 item value for both - of course, no answers from from for help...
post #444 of 653
Gotcha.

That sucks about the Audiogon system, hopefully it will get straightened out quickly.

The only placement concern I had with the 800's was the base once I seen it in the flesh when we pulled the shroud off the speaker. It's huge but this should be a non issue for you in your room because I see you appear to have enough free space behind, and to both sides of the 802's to accommodate the 800's base.
post #445 of 653
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What's the width and depth of the base?
post #446 of 653
Precisely 17.72" x 25.39" according to the CAD drawing I have
post #447 of 653
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Thanks should be no problem but I'll check

How many guys delivery and unboxed?
post #448 of 653
I have been thinking more about what I'm hearing with the bass performance of the 800's vs. the 802's. I have posted that I had been left scratching my head about the specs because they are only 2Hz lower in the 800's vs the 802's but yet I feel like I'm hearing and feeling so much more low end from the 800's. Seeing as it's very, very unlikely the published specs are wrong smile.gif what I believe I'm experiencing with the 800's is a speaker that isn't really going appreciably lower in reality but a speaker that simply delivers the same frequency range as the 802's but with unmistakeably more authority and power than the 802's can accomplish. The 802's just come across timid in comparison when you step back and realize they are basically covering the exact same frequency range. So these differences it would seem are a direct result of the dual 10" drivers and a larger cabinet.
post #449 of 653
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Yeah, there's a lot more driver and cabinet there, so perhaps real-world listening imparts a greater difference than raw test tones.

What are you driving the 800's with? I'm putting an MC 302 up for two 601's...
post #450 of 653
Two guys plus myself but the actual lifting was done by the movers. As with the 802's we didn't follow the unpacking instructions on the box to the letter. The guys and even myself were more comfortable with having the speaker lifted up and off of the pallet bottom rather than laying the speaker over on it's side to slide the pallet bottom off then standing it back up. Obviously they were strong enough to do the lift if not then laying the speaker on it's side per the instructions would have been the only way of getting the pallet bottom removed. If going the lift approach just be warned that there is very little room for your fingers under the plinth so there is a potential finger crush factor there smile.gif You could lift the speaker by grasping the bottom of the bass cabinet rather than the bottom of the plinth I guess. Also now knowing how heavy these things are if you are going to lay them on their side on hardwood make sure that there is ample padding around the plinth because that could make a serious dent if it's edge catches the flooring while standing the speaker back up.
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