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post #1 of 58
Thread Starter 
I'm surprised no one has talked about the interesting design choices Paradigm made in the Seismic 110 subwoofer. I don't doubt that many of the technologies found in this subwoofer have appeared in other commercial products, but the Seismic 110 seems to be a unique value proposition in the subwoofer market. One feature that I noticed on the driver is the use of spokes instead of a traditional speaker cone.

Here are some of the interesting features found in the Seismic 110:

1. monocoque metal enclosure
2. split voice coil with opposite windings
3. flattened cone with I-beam support arms
4. dual spider suspension
5. inverted Santoprene surround
6. tempurature sensors

Rather than disparaging this subwoofer for it's low output per dollar, be tolerant of other people's lifestyle speaker choices, and comment on it's design. What ideas in the Seismic 110 are successful, and what are its technical failures?

post #2 of 58
I've had mine since April. I love it. I've also gotten to like it's quirky looks. Just went through adjusting it with the Perfect Bass Kit. Definitely smoothed out some room problems at certain frequencies. Blended in well with my Von Schweikert speakers (4.5's LCR31 and TS150's; rest of system - Krell Amps, Anthem Statement D1 and OPPO BDP-83SE; Room is around 20x15x10). Very happy with it's room filling clean bass for movies and music (Blu-ray, DVD-Audio and SACD's). For some of the hi-rez organ works that I have it really shines. Shakes the house with certain blu-ray movie discs.

(It's also my first sub so you can discount my review appropriately..)
post #3 of 58
Just purchased, will be using with a Definitive ST system powered by an Onkyo 3007. I am replacing a Paradigm 3400 dsp so I hope it can come close. Seems meaty already though. More to come. Plan on running the PBK tomorrow or so.
post #4 of 58
Thread Starter 
Can you take a picture of the Seismic 110 next to the DSP3400? I'm curious to see how small it is.
post #5 of 58
Its less than half the size of the 3400....
post #6 of 58
I'm pretty sure I could put 4 of them inside my old 3400. Now as for how it sounds...hate it so far, we'll see...I did the PBK but I'm thinking that was a mistake. Should have done it after it had broken in. Didn't give it a fair shake yet but I will Monday. Thing is, it has to outperform an Ultracube 10 and I actually like that sub so maybe it's just stiff and what not from being super new.
post #7 of 58
Thread Starter 
Pics!
post #8 of 58
I have no idea how to post a pic
post #9 of 58
I spoke too soon as I figured. This thing is breaking in nicely and wow can it almost match that 3400 and even beat it in nuance and overall quality. Sure the 3400 moved a bit more air but this thing is far more musical in my room at least. A great compliment to the ST towers!
LL
post #10 of 58
Ignoring cost, and with the benefit of using both subs, if you were in the market for 2 new subs, what would you go for, 2 110s or 2 3400s?

I ask because I was about to pull the trigger on 2 3400s and the Paradigm rep suggested 2 110s would do a far better job, so now I'm waiting for a demo unit to get here.

This is mainly for movies,

Mark
post #11 of 58
Tough one but I'd have to say if you have the room I'd do 2 3400's and save 1k.
post #12 of 58
Thanks for the reply - I'll try get the rep to drop off a 3400 to try too... Hopefully I'll be able to do a comparison then.

And yeah, the 1K is kind of difficult to ignore!
post #13 of 58
The box for the 3400 Is bigger than my first apartment. Here's a picture of the setup with the 3400 back in it...obviously from Christmas as I don't like the tree that much.
LL
post #14 of 58
Thread Starter 
Thanks for posting the two pictures for comparison. It's interesting how small the Seismic 110 really is. Today in another thread Mark Seaton reminded us of Hoffman's Iron Law which says this subwoofer has to be very inefficient to produce deep bass from such a small cabinet. The Hoffman's Iron Law says you can have any two of the following:

1. small cabinet size
2. deep bass
3. high sensitivity

It seems very few AVSForum members are willing to pay for small cabinet size, and criticize those who do.
post #15 of 58
I don't disagree with the science but from one to another I can tell you the seismic is amazing for it's size and is very well built.
post #16 of 58
Quote:
Originally Posted by markswift2003 View Post

Ignoring cost, and with the benefit of using both subs, if you were in the market for 2 new subs, what would you go for, 2 110s or 2 3400s?

I ask because I was about to pull the trigger on 2 3400s and the Paradigm rep suggested 2 110s would do a far better job, so now I'm waiting for a demo unit to get here.

This is mainly for movies,

Mark

If we are ignoring cost... Why WOULDN'T you choose the Seismic 110?
Some reasons to use the 110:
o The 110 is a sealed enclosure.
o 1700 compared to 600 total RMS power!
o more technologically advanced driver design in the Seismic.
o balanced input option is nice for the long signal run subwoofers usually require.
o much more compact.

I personally love my Seismic 110. I tell people who are looking for a sub with great SQ, if you can't afford the Paradigm Reference Sub 12 (or better) the 110 is the sub to choose.
Don't forget the PBK!
post #17 of 58
Quote:
Originally Posted by glennQNYC View Post

If we are ignoring cost... Why WOULDN'T you choose the Seismic 110?
Some reasons to use the 110:
o The 110 is a sealed enclosure.
o 1700 compared to 600 total RMS power!
o more technologically advanced driver design in the Seismic.
o balanced input option is nice for the long signal run subwoofers usually require.
o much more compact.

I personally love my Seismic 110. I tell people who are looking for a sub with great SQ, if you can't afford the Paradigm Reference Sub 12 (or better) the 110 is the sub to choose.
Don't forget the PBK!

You could well be right - I borrowed the 3400 from the Paradigm Rep yesterday.

I was supposed to have it over the weekend.

I took it back today!!

Really disappointed - build quality was poor (cheap veneer, cheap plastics and a blue Led on the front - classy! ok - that can be covered in black tape), no weight to it whatsoever - only 31 Kg for a box that big tells me either poor power supply, small magnet, thin construction, or a combination of all of the above. My mains are 45 Kg and they don't even have an amp in them!

But I could have overlooked all that except for the fact that it took about 5 seconds to power up from standby, when it did, it did it with a thump and while in powered but quiescent state, it made "ocean" shushing noises and in powered state (ie. Signal present) it sounded like Darth Vader was asleep in the background! Other than that, the sound was actually rather good, it's just that it gave a new meaning to the phrase "noise floor"! (by the way, if anyone wonders if the noise is caused by a dirty signal or dirty ground etc, it is also present when the signal cable is physically disconnected)

Ok, that could be a fault, but I googled it, and others have had the same issues which doesn't bode well! Someone even suggested that a thump from this sub powering up was normal! Nice!

Anyway, I'm still waiting for the 110 demo to arrive, so hopefully that'll arrive next week and I can move on. All the feedback I've heard on the 110 is good, so I'm looking forward to hearing what this little sub can do. I didn't say previously that my intention is to add two of these in between the fronts as reinforcement to a resident Rel Stentor III which will stay.

In the meantime I have an M&K 350 on loan - ugly looking thing, but well made and from previous experience, a great sub even given it's vintage.
post #18 of 58
I agree with your assessment of the 3400 build quality. But for 999 it's hard to beat. I for one didn't have the humming/thumping you experienced but I loved it's sound and it was a version 1 with no PBK capability. It's just a real simple big box, big driver sub that looked a bit out of place with my Mythos ST mains. The Seismic 110 is really coming into it's own and I enjoy it though to be honest my room has because bass lite since I PBK'd the room. It toon away those lumps and nodes one associates with warmth and impact at low volume. After I got used to that, when called upon it can really deliver at maximum SPL.

Demos used:
Mr and Mrs Smith : minivan chase
Sweeny Todd : opening credits
Transformers : Arrival and the brown note scene
Dark Knight : because it's so boomy
John Mayer : Where the Light Is
post #19 of 58
Well, I've been using the MX-350 over the weekend and it's excellent - so I think I've now got a decent benchmark on which to base the performance of the 110 when it arrives.
post #20 of 58
I need some help/input...

Would you go with 2 110's or 1 Sub 12??

Have the Sub 12 on order but my dealer says he can sell me 2 110's for a little cheaper.
post #21 of 58
Now I'm all for multiple subs but one Sub 12 would probably suffice. The 110 just isn't knocking me out for 1500 ya know? Don't know if two would really do the trick as one 3400 was more than enough and a real monster. Combine that with the Sub 12 build quality and I say 1 Sub 12.
post #22 of 58
Thanks for the info... : )

I pick up the Sub 12 tomorrow.
post #23 of 58
Still not got the 110 yet, but you've got me thinking about sub 12s now...
post #24 of 58
So I decided to reset the 110 to factory as I stupidly PBK'd the thing before I heard it. Wow, it has tremendous output and I can only approach 25% on the gain knob but there's a catch. It's significant output increase is mostly bloat and low end mess. Not distortion or anything but just not...tight. So I resent the settings previously attained and I'm very happy with the blend to my main's. So yes, this thing has tremendous output but in my room the PBK tamed all that mess and made it a better sounding piece for sure. Just thought I'd give it a try.
post #25 of 58
Thread Starter 
post #26 of 58
Just bought a Seismic 110 on Saturday (dealer was running a 20% off sale) to add to my Paradigm Studio 20s. The dealer didn't have one other than the floor demo, so I am now waiting for it to come in.

It's an ugly little thing (told the dealer so before I auditioned it) and for some reason it reminds me of a little black pig...just needs a curly tail added to it. I really wanted a Sub 12 but could not justify the price since I am using it as part of a two-channel music-only system.

Since I don't plan on moving soon and the room it is going into allows me one option as far as placement, should I buy the Perfect Bass Kit or ask my dealer to lend me his? This sub was part of a $2700-plus purchase.

I am really looking forward to this addition as it is my first subwoofer (at age 53).
post #27 of 58
Quote:
Originally Posted by markswift2003 View Post

You could well be right - I borrowed the 3400 from the Paradigm Rep yesterday.

I was supposed to have it over the weekend.

I took it back today!!

Really disappointed - build quality was poor (cheap veneer, cheap plastics and a blue Led on the front - classy! ok - that can be covered in black tape), no weight to it whatsoever - only 31 Kg for a box that big tells me either poor power supply, small magnet, thin construction, or a combination of all of the above. My mains are 45 Kg and they don't even have an amp in them!

But I could have overlooked all that except for the fact that it took about 5 seconds to power up from standby, when it did, it did it with a thump and while in powered but quiescent state, it made "ocean" shushing noises and in powered state (ie. Signal present) it sounded like Darth Vader was asleep in the background! Other than that, the sound was actually rather good, it's just that it gave a new meaning to the phrase "noise floor"! (by the way, if anyone wonders if the noise is caused by a dirty signal or dirty ground etc, it is also present when the signal cable is physically disconnected)

Ok, that could be a fault, but I googled it, and others have had the same issues which doesn't bode well! Someone even suggested that a thump from this sub powering up was normal! Nice!

Anyway, I'm still waiting for the 110 demo to arrive, so hopefully that'll arrive next week and I can move on. All the feedback I've heard on the 110 is good, so I'm looking forward to hearing what this little sub can do. I didn't say previously that my intention is to add two of these in between the fronts as reinforcement to a resident Rel Stentor III which will stay.

In the meantime I have an M&K 350 on loan - ugly looking thing, but well made and from previous experience, a great sub even given it's vintage.

i owned a 3400 my self and i can tell you i kinda agree about build quality..but i also owned a seismic12 and now a sub12 and when you enter the reference series of paradigm you enter a new world....
post #28 of 58
Well I picked up my 110 today and have it hooked up. The wife is currently away. She was very skeptical of my "need" to spend over $1000 on a subwoofer.

Does anyone have any recommendations on some mainstream rock music (70's to current) that I might own that is heavy in bass that will be a good demonstration for her? (The sub is in a two channel music system, not a home theater.)

Thanks in advance.
post #29 of 58
Pink Floyd-Welcome to the Machine from "Wish You Were Here"
Primus-Pork Soda
Disturbed-Ten Thousand Fists
Tool-Undertow
Alice In Chains unplugged
Seether-Disclaimer
post #30 of 58
I got rid of my Seismic110, wasn't performing up to my normal standards. Even after break in and PBK ran it continued to flutter when really called on to be truly awesome. The 3400 was pretty nice and I miss it. Using a Triad In Room Omni Bronze now. Thinking of a Sub 12, I like the Paradigms but I'm also considering a super cube reference from Def Tech. I dunno, just lost in bass world.....
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