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post #151 of 1856
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Originally Posted by rgood10921 View Post

Mine is on its way, ordered from AVScience. I have a 5 year old Stewart Fire Hawk screen, I am assuming that it should work fine with this projector? I have a Sony VPL-HS51 projector now that has 2350 hours on the bulb. I am hoping that the picture on the DLA-HD250 really kicks the Sony's butt. Unfortunately for me my theater room has white drop ceiling, light colored walls and carpet...has not really been an issue since there are no windows in the room. Someday I may be able to convince my better half to let me go black in there. I too was worried about the 1000 lumens rating on this PJ, I was assured that it will be plenty bright -- almost pulled the trigger on the Epson 8700UB before talking to AVS guys. I get mine this Friday, I will post how it looks out of the box.

Guarantee you have a big smile on your face, from Sony HS51a to a JVC.

Now after 5 years, you finally realized what has been missing?

Enjoy.
post #152 of 1856
Yah, it's definitely a life saver!
post #153 of 1856
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Originally Posted by bobbijean View Post

Isn't that projector calculator great? Even though it says calculations are approximate. You have enough room to move (in most cases) with no one sweet spot. It's been a saver for me

Here's a link to JVC's own calculator: http://www.jvcdig.com/lens_calculator.htm

It's more detailed and little less user friendly. You can use the RS1 as your target as I understand, the throw ratio and zoom is the same from the RS1 through even the latest RS60 PJs. Here's a screen shot:

post #154 of 1856
How does the JVC PJ's handle SD material? I use the PJ for all of our viewing and most of it is HD. But my wife occasionally watches something in SD off of Directv.
post #155 of 1856
Thread Starter 
There's a pretty decent video processor. Reon VX.
post #156 of 1856
Hello everyone, I am a newbie to the projector scene and could use some help. I have been considering the HD550 and now I see the HD250. What is the real difference? I have (purchased but not hanging yet) a Stewart Firehawk SST 100" screen, the projector will be 15'6" up to 17' with a little flexibility, I have a Rotel pre-amp with HDMI processing, a Denon 2500 blu-ray player, and an X-Box 360. The room is in a light controlled enviroment with gunmetal grey carpet, blue walls, a very dark blue ceiling, and the wall where the screen will hang is flat ultra black. Any input would be greatly appreciated.
post #157 of 1856
Thread Starter 
If you had the budget for the HD550, hold on to it. Check out the RS40 aka X3 JVC. It's the replacement for the HD550 with lots of the guts upgraded and gives better contrast, better blacks and better brightness. And it does 3D to boot.

The HD250 is more like the predecessor of the HD550. It lacks the frame interpolation feature of the HD550 but is otherwise very close to it.
post #158 of 1856
With that nicely prepared room it would be worth going for the X3/RS40 if you can wait a short while. If you'd had a light room I'd have maybe suggested saving some money instead, but you'll get more benefit than most in that setup.

Out of interest I measured the ANSI contrast of my HD350 last night in my room without putting up my usual 'Bat tent' treatment and other dark throws etc. While technique has a lot to do with ANSI contrast measurements I'm doing it more to measure percentage improvement by various room treatments (I can't just paint the room black as it's our living room too ). For now my 'untreated' reading averaged 75:1 which is less than 25% of what this projector should be capable of. The X3/RS40 might be capable of more due to improvements in the wire grid, etc, but yet to be confirmed. At the very least it claims 50,000:1 on/off against the HD350 30,000:1 (note that they only claim 25,000:1 for the HD250, but it's the same machine, just lowered the claim).

FWIW I measured my on/off at 12,000:1 but I'm not sure how accurate this is as it's very hard to keep the meter in the same spot while you change the test pattern and meter range. I may have another try using some kind of tripod.
post #159 of 1856
ewelsh01

I wouldnt buy a firehawk if your room is light controlled and have dark walls. As for the HD250, it is comparable to 550, but for the same budget of the 550, you can get the RS40 which is a nice upgrade. The RS40 pricing right now is well priced so its almost a no brainer to upgrade to RS40. However, this wont be the norm
post #160 of 1856
Hi everyone,

Are there any differences between the 250 and 250Pro other than the sales channels they are sold through?

Thanks!
post #161 of 1856
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Originally Posted by wierzbowski View Post

Hi everyone,

Are there any differences between the 250 and 250Pro other than the sales channels they are sold through?

Thanks!

wierzbowski,

These two are the same projector. There is no difference. You're right they are sold through different channels.
post #162 of 1856
For the time being this PJ has been put to the top of my list. Hopefully soon we will start seeing some actual personal usage reviews.
post #163 of 1856
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Originally Posted by Daniel Hutnicki View Post

ewelsh01

I wouldnt buy a firehawk if your room is light controlled and have dark walls. As for the HD250, it is comparable to 550, but for the same budget of the 550, you can get the RS40 which is a nice upgrade. The RS40 pricing right now is well priced so its almost a no brainer to upgrade to RS40. However, this wont be the norm

Daniel - would the Da-Lite High Power work for this PJ? My room is mostly controlled by drapes.

Edit:

I forgot to ask you this when I had you on the phone.
post #164 of 1856
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Originally Posted by rgathright View Post

For the time being this PJ has been put to the top of my list. Hopefully soon we will start seeing some actual personal usage reviews.

Uhm, aren't the HD350/RS10 threads full of them??



Also, there is a personal review of the HD250 starting at post #59 of this thread....
post #165 of 1856
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Originally Posted by fleaman View Post

Uhm, aren't the HD350/RS10 threads full of them??



Also, there is a personal review of the HD250 starting at post #59 of this thread....

Still more is better plus this is supposedly an updated version?

Has anyone used a Chief ceiling mount with this PJ? If so which one? The weight of 24 pounds seems heavy.
post #166 of 1856
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Originally Posted by rgathright View Post

Still more is better plus this is supposedly an updated version?

Seems like the only update is the flat black casing paint and the new model #?

Plus the lower price.

At least that's what I gathered. Anyone else concur? Or?
post #167 of 1856
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Originally Posted by Woof Woof View Post

HD550 has the buggy frame interpolation. Works with 60fps sources (like broadcast sports) but not so good with 24fps BluRay movies.


Would this not be an issue for the HD250 if you play Blu-Rays in 24p?
post #168 of 1856
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Originally Posted by fleaman View Post

Seems like the only update is the flat black casing paint and the new model #?

Plus the lower price.

At least that's what I gathered. Anyone else concur? Or?

Trickle down. I can only guess, but seeing as though JVC does incremental updates to their lines, I would err on the side of saying that this projector is prolly more than just a flat black casing. It's tech so if you have improved upon your previous processes it gets passed along. As Daniel said earlier, this thing should perform as good or better than.
post #169 of 1856
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Originally Posted by Cham313 View Post

Would this not be an issue for the HD250 if you play Blu-Rays in 24p?

The 250 doesn't have frame interpolation.
post #170 of 1856
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Originally Posted by ahard View Post

Trickle down. I can only guess, but seeing as though JVC does incremental updates to their lines, I would err on the side of saying that this projector is prolly more than just a flat black casing. It's tech so if you have improved upon your previous processes it gets passed along. As Daniel said earlier, this thing should perform as good or better than.

Well, improving/updating any tech costs $$, which is passed on to the customer. Being they are discounting this a large amount already, it seems likely they renamed and gave a different case finish only (bean counters and marketers probably calculated that the impression of a 'new model' would increase sales #'s over just discounting the same 'older model').

Also, nothing in the HD250 promotional material from JVC mentions any improvements or updates compared to older models?
post #171 of 1856
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Originally Posted by mastiff34 View Post

Ok, so it's been about 3 years or so since I have done this, but I just got off the phone with Jason, and that deal is to good to pass up if it will work for my room, Jason indicated to use the JVC-RS15 calculator, The projector calculator has it showing at 14.1' for my 106" screen, but I need the projector to be at 15.1' for my current cabling and ceiling supports, where my Sharp 12000mkII resides, does the blue box mean its fine anywhere with that range which clearly covers my 15.1' hope?

I'm also thinking of upgrading from the same Sharp. Nothing inherently wrong with the Sharp other than it is 720p and I'd like to go with a 106" screen over my current 92" and could use more lumens. Saw a 350 at Magnolia and it looked great, but my room has been under construction for months, so can barely remember what the sharp looks like...
post #172 of 1856
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Originally Posted by fleaman View Post

Well, improving/updating any tech costs $$, which is passed on to the customer. Being they are discounting this a large amount already, it seems likely they renamed and gave a different case finish only (bean counters and marketers probably calculated that the impression of a 'new model' would increase sales #'s over just discounting the same 'older model').

Also, nothing in the HD250 promotional material from JVC mentions any improvements or updates compared to older models?

Sure its passed on to the consumer but they left out Clear Motion and 3D on the HD250 and its obvious that they would like to steal some business from Epson and Panny so lowering the price is a no-brainer. As you refine your processes/innovate your cost to produce go down, not up.

It doesn't cost JVC anything to pass down an improved wire grid polarizer to the HD250 based on the improvements to the "pure" wire grid polarizer in the RS40, 50 & 60. Sure the wire grid in the 250 may not be as "pure" as the 40, 50 & 60 but it's likely those improvements were passed down just b/c it cheaper to use the same production line. Will the lit tell you that, no. The language on the front page says 25K:1 on/off but in other parts of the lit you see up 32,000:1.

Again, I'm willing to bet that there are some refinements to the internals when compared to the RS10 & 15. Just a guess.
post #173 of 1856
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Originally Posted by timjuliani View Post

I'm also thinking of upgrading from the same Sharp. Nothing inherently wrong with the Sharp other than it is 720p and I'd like to go with a 106" screen over my current 92" and could use more lumens. Saw a 350 at Magnolia and it looked great, but my room has been under construction for months, so can barely remember what the sharp looks like...

Are you referring to Best Buy Magnolia? If so, I've never seen a JVC at the Best Buy Magnolia in my area. I'll go look tomorrow.
post #174 of 1856
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Originally Posted by ahard View Post

Are you referring to Best Buy Magnolia? If so, I've never seen a JVC at the Best Buy Magnolia in my area. I'll go look tomorrow.

Yes, in the DC area. Maybe just give your local a call first.
post #175 of 1856
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Originally Posted by timjuliani View Post

Yes, in the DC area. Maybe just give your local a call first.

Ok. I just looked on their site and the HD350 is listed. I didn't even know that they sold JVC. I'll still run by there for fun.
post #176 of 1856
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Originally Posted by ahard View Post

Sure its passed on to the consumer but they left out Clear Motion and 3D on the HD250

Those were never offered on the HD350/RS10, so there was nothing to 'leave out' (assuming it is indeed just a case finish difference)

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Originally Posted by ahard View Post

As you refine your processes/innovate your cost to produce go down, not up.

It doesn't cost JVC anything to pass down an improved wire grid polarizer to the HD250 based on the improvements to the "pure" wire grid polarizer in the RS40, 50 & 60. Sure the wire grid in the 250 may not be as "pure" as the 40, 50 & 60 but it's likely those improvements were passed down just b/c it cheaper to use the same production line.

Your leaving out development costs. R&D is probably the costliest of all 'costs'. You can't improve new tech w/o R&D and those costs have to be absorbed somewhere. It makes sense to have those costs absorbed by the newest tech product--which is the most desirable by the consumer, and therefor can be priced higher.

Seems like what you want is the newer tech to be implemented in a cheaper newer model, while JVC absorbs the R&D costs themselves, while also hurting the sales of it's higher end models with the newer tech, which doesn't seem so special when a cheaper model has the same tech for less $$.

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Originally Posted by ahard View Post

Will the lit tell you that, no. The language on the front page says 25K:1 on/off but in other parts of the lit you see up 32,000:1.

You can get differences in measures like that from just slight variations from unit to unit, iris settings, lamps, light meters, room, etc. The UK version of the same PJ has lit that shows a different on/off contrast, yet it is the same PJ.
post #177 of 1856
I'm seriously considering buying a JVC HD250 in the next few weeks. This would be my first projector. Currently I'm watching Blu-ray movies on a 42 inch Pansasonic Plasma screen (several years old, 1024 horiz res). I was wondering how well these JVC projectors work with a CIH screen scheme. Looking at the HD350 manual, I see that it has a mode to work with an anamorphic lens, but if I go this route, I'd probably (at least at first) just go with the standard lens. Since this projector lacks lens memory, does that mean that if you switch from a Cinemascope movie to a 16x9 film you need to manually zoom to accommodate the different aspect ratio?

Just wondering, I may to start with go with a 16x9 screen.
post #178 of 1856
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Originally Posted by ahard View Post

The 250 doesn't have frame interpolation.


Thanks, I guess I should have figured that out! My interest is watching films in a form that approximates a good movie theater. No interest in sports, gaming, or 3D.
post #179 of 1856
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Daniel - would the Da-Lite High Power work for this PJ? My room is mostly controlled by drapes.

that would be fine. A white 1.1 - 1.3 gain gain screen by Stewart or Dalite would also work fine
post #180 of 1856
It would be a help to know, once and for all, if the HD250 is comprised of precisely the same internals as the HD350/RS10 or if the HD250 is a slightly upgraded HD350/RS10.

Everyone says reference the HD350 thread for details. Do we know it's precisely the same projector?

Obviously, JVC doesn't like Epson and Panny (AE4000) eating up all the $3000-and-under action so did they take the HD350/RS10 and re-badge it as the HD250 without a single upgrade or did they take the HD350, add a few improvements/tweaks to it? Thanks.
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