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post #31 of 1856
Few videos and pictures of DLA-HD250/Pro from CEDIA in Atlanta... Stewart 2.35 screen with fixed anamorphic lens whole setup retail around $10k.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AcYGpeiew8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxGWZgbECRw
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post #32 of 1856
Any guesses as to how this will compare to JVC models like the original RS1 and/or the RS2? Where does it have the air filter / intake and exhaust vent for hot air exit?
post #33 of 1856
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Originally Posted by cpc View Post

Any guesses as to how this will compare to JVC models like the original RS1 and/or the RS2? Where does it have the air filter / intake and exhaust vent for hot air exit?

From the pics I've seen, simply refer to say an HD550. It's exactly like that case-wise.
post #34 of 1856
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Originally Posted by nightfly85 View Post

From the pics I've seen, simply refer to say an HD550. It's exactly like that case-wise.


I've seen clearance demo models of the HD550 for around $3500. What would be better last years HD550 or the new HD250?
post #35 of 1856
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HD550 has the buggy frame interpolation. Works with 60fps sources (like broadcast sports) but not so good with 24fps BluRay movies.
post #36 of 1856
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Originally Posted by cpc View Post

Any guesses as to how this will compare to JVC models like the original RS1 and/or the RS2? Where does it have the air filter / intake and exhaust vent for hot air exit?

I was told before I purchased my RS2 clone that the RS10s contrast was similar but the iris had to be set to max and at that point it was dimmer than the RS2 in best mode. Just guessing but I'm thinking this could be true for the 250 as well.
post #37 of 1856
All I have heard is that the 250 is basically a RS10 or maybe a RS15. Right now it is just speculation until someone gets one in and tests it.
post #38 of 1856
post #39 of 1856
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Originally Posted by Kevin McCarthy View Post

Jason from AVS explicitly said that it is meant to compete with LCD projectors, and that suggests that it will sell for (not MSRP) below $3K. He can't quote yet, but will be able to soon.

Kevin

Bingo. $2999 list, AVS price better.
post #40 of 1856
Panasonic and Epson have led the way and now JVC has jumped into it with the 250. I would imagine that as time goes by, the majority of projectors will be under 3000
post #41 of 1856
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Originally Posted by Jason Turk View Post

Bingo. $2999 list, AVS price better.

When will the 250 start shipping.And has anyone seen one in action.Drooling here
post #42 of 1856
According to Alan Gouger (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showp...22&postcount=1), the MSRP of the HD250 is:
"JvC Hd250...25k:1 contrast...flat black finish...1000 lumens...$2995 MSRP". So this HD250 thread is placed in the correct Forum.

Shag -- As long as you are not expecting operation in full daylight (in which case, no PJ will work), a 1000 lumens is more than enough for screens equal to or smaller than 106" diagonal, 16:9. Remember front projectors reflect their output from a reflective screen. The PJ has to compete with any light that also falls on the screen. No PJ lamp can compete with sunlight, or room lights which fall on the screen. Even flat panel TVs can't compete with direct sunlight (but they are a lot better at daytime operation, since they are light emitters, not light reflectors).

Also, most PJs (JVCs excepted, for their previous models) have claimed lumen outputs that are their absolute maximum under poor picture quality conditions. Their best, calibrated, picture is usually at around 40% to 70% of the advertised output, depending on the manufacturer, and model. Comparison of PJs based on advertising claims is the worst mistake you can make (a common one made by most people who are new to the world of front projectors).
post #43 of 1856
I am most curious as to what the calibrated lumen output of this projector is compared to something like the Epson 8350. Even though the Epson claims 2000 lumens (using a newer ISO method) I *think* the calibrated useful output for both is below 800 lumens.

What is important for some of us who do use them during the day with blinds or thin curtains is a "blow-out" mode where picture quality and calibration is thrown out the window for a big bright picture. Like a sports mode where quality and accuracy doesn't really matter. Just a big bright image that is reasonably discernible during a daytime game.

Of course we switch back to a calibrated mode when watching Blu-Rays in a dark room.
post #44 of 1856
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Originally Posted by Daniel Hutnicki View Post

Panasonic and Epson have led the way and now JVC has jumped into it with the 250. I would imagine that as time goes by, the majority of projectors will be under 3000

I agree, I don't see any reason why they should be more except for truly state of the art items.
post #45 of 1856
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I am most curious as to what the calibrated lumen output of this projector is compared to something like the Epson 8350.

JVC projectors come out of the box pretty close to specs. I am sure they drop in brightness once they are calibrated, but I can tell you owning a RS1 and RS20, they still remained pretty bright after calibration
post #46 of 1856
I'm still using a modified HD70 for gaming, a Marantz 4000 for movie watching (Iris, better quality image), and am tempted to move to this JVC....however I'm also seriously considering the Epson UB model that is due out.......

In terms of base black level, because I'm out of the loop a bit, I'm guessing the Marantz 720 dlp would be a baseline (I keep mine at mid-iris setting but actually prefer the wide open iris for image punch, I'm reflecting off an aging Greywolf screen) and then the UB followed by the JVC unit.

Can anyone confirm thats 'about right'...??

I throw 106".....
post #47 of 1856
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I am using a borrowed Optoma DLP 720p and have to say, the blacks aren't even as good as my older AE3000 (modded with help of friend to AE4000 bulb and polarizer hehe).

And my old DLA-HD1 (RS1 in my part of the world) blows it out of the water when it comes to blacks and contrast.

I'd expect the HD250 to be even better than my old HD1.
post #48 of 1856
The Optoma HD70 I'm using was the first 720p projector to hit 999.....I got one, it was impossible to calibrate and the black levels sucked, but it was also an order of magnitude brighter than my previous 480p projector, the H30. I painted the clear segments with silver paint and that brought the brightness down, reigned in the Brilliant Color and gave black a much more black appearance. Aging of the bulb helped too.

The marantz is much better....I imagine the HD250 to be worth the money, I'll just have to see what the replacement bulb costs are going to be.
post #49 of 1856
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Originally Posted by HeadRusch View Post

I'll just have to see what the replacement bulb costs are going to be.

The product brochure I linked above says it uses lamp model BHL5010-S (the same lamp that the RS10 and other JVCs used). List price $399, street less.
post #50 of 1856
Generally speaking do JVC's make it to the 1,000 or 2,000 hour mark? In a perfect world I would be willing to replace the bulb once a year. What about build quality, are they pretty solid? I haven't really looked at JVC before.
post #51 of 1856
How sharp would an HD250 be compared to the other JVC projectors and/or something like the Mitsubishi HC7000? Also concerned about lamp life. The Mitsubishi projectors are proving to have long lasting bulbs.

EDIT - Where will the HD 250 discussion end up in the end? <$3K or $3K + ? ...I just realized I'm posting in both.
post #52 of 1856
The $1,000 question for me is will it have an accurate color preset (I presume it doesn't have a CMS).

I'm not holding my breath of course.
post #53 of 1856
This is the correct forum. It will be nice to see someone put it through some tests. Hopefully JVC did some more to the RS10 than just put it in a new box.
post #54 of 1856
Are the specs for the HD 250 the same as the RS 10?
post #55 of 1856
Thread Starter 




The eagle has landed.

And it is beautiful.

Love the matte satin black finish on the outside. And the gorgeous inky blacks projected. Put in some green scenes and am glad to report that it does not appear to have a overly green look like on my HD1.
post #56 of 1856
What the hell!! That was quick. Do you have the ability to do measurements? If you don't have the calibration equipment, then hopefully someone close by that does can stop in and take some readings.
post #57 of 1856
Details man, don't hold back.
post #58 of 1856
Sweet!!! Review please...
post #59 of 1856
Thread Starter 
I don't have any calibration machine but this was sourced through a friend who had done some tweaking with some insider tools I don't have access to.

I remember the first time I got the HD1 (yes the grand daddy), I put Sin City DVD (yes the DVD not the Bluray cos that wasn't even out yet), I just sat through the entire movie eventhough it was just to suss out the black levels. The contrast, the blacks. They just captured me from start to finish. Helped that it was also a good movie.

When the bulb was aging on the HD1, there was a trade in offer for the Panny AE3000. I had an old AE700 collecting dust somewhere and traded that in for the AE3k.

I liked the frame interpolation feature and liked the more natural colors on the Panny. Contrast didn't seem too bad either. Got a good offer to sell the HD1 so decided to take that offer up. Then Sin City BR came. I put the disc in but couldn't quite get myself to sit through that show.

Today, I finally got the projector this movie deserves.

Blacks are inky. If anything it looks more intense than on the HD1. One thing about the HD1 was that while the blacks were particularly black, the brights weren't so intense. With the HD250, the brights seemed almost as punchy as what I see on DLPs.

And the green? The opening CENSOR warning definitely didn't look like a neon shade on my old HD1.

The AE3000 even modded with the AE4k bulb and polarizer never looked this good.

Remote's good. At first I thought there was no backlight. Well, there was. It's just not automatically triggered when you press a button. There's just a dedicated "light" button that is slightly fluorescent so you know which one to hit.

I also thought I would be missing the creative frame interpolation feature on the Panny which was probably the most seamless and most natural of all manufacturers. Turning off CFI aka frame creation mode on the Panny yielded very juddery (to me) scenes once I got used to it. But I didn't notice this to be the case on the HD250.

Overall no regrets with this.
post #60 of 1856
Thread Starter 
Some other cool things coming from the AE3000.

I Luuuurrrrve the motorized lens cover on this HD250. I know it's been available on the RS10/15 and up, but this is the first time I have seen this feature on a sub 3k US projector.

Also love the flexibility of having motorized lens shift in addition to zoom and focus.
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