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post #61 of 1857
10/1/10 at 7:50am
How is the CMS? Where are you located? Maybe someone around here is close by and can take some measurements.
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post #62 of 1857
10/1/10 at 7:55am
Woof
so for someone who watches 40% sports 30% gaming and 30% movies would you recomend the JVC 250 or Panny 4k ? I have a dedicated room in basement - light not an issue. Heard about motion blur and lag with some JVCs since I watch a lot of sports and gaming I am a bit concerned about this.

thanks and congrats!!!!
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post #63 of 1857
10/1/10 at 8:01am
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I am in err Singapore

I don't watch sports but have never really noticed the blur on my HD1.

I do feel the new HD250 seems a tad smoother than my AE3000 w/o Frame Creation.

There's no CMS but so far, I haven't seen any overly green hues.

WOW.. there was a fade to black scene in Sin City.. and it was REALLY BLACK!!
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post #64 of 1857
10/1/10 at 8:02am
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Overall no regrets with this.

Thanks for the feedback. Please feel free to post as many thoughts and pics as you like.
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post #65 of 1857
10/1/10 at 8:04am
Any news on the frame interpolation (although I hope I don't have to use it anyways). Is it the previously flawed model, or some new variant. Hard to test I guess, so at the very least, what are the options?
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post #66 of 1857
10/1/10 at 8:06am
I would think the HD250 is nothing more than last year's HD350, and that being said one could probably reference the HD350 thread. And no, this model (and the RS40/X3) does not have internal CMS. Of course, you could buy the EE color box currently used on the Vango projector.
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post #67 of 1857
10/1/10 at 8:15am
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No frame interpolation.

No CMS.

Not particularly missing them to be honest.
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post #68 of 1857
10/1/10 at 8:20am
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I dunno if this photo can even do it justice.
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post #69 of 1857
10/1/10 at 8:32am
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No frame interpolation.

No CMS.

Not particularly missing them to be honest.

What are the modes that they have configured by default?
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post #70 of 1857
10/1/10 at 8:36am
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What are the modes that they have configured by default?

Cinema 1
Cinema 2
Natural
Stage
Dynamic
User 1
User 2
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post #71 of 1857
10/1/10 at 8:40am
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post #72 of 1857
10/1/10 at 8:41am
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post #73 of 1857
10/1/10 at 8:44am
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Some other cool things coming from the AE3000.

I Luuuurrrrve the motorized lens cover on this HD250. I know it's been available on the RS10/15 and up, but this is the first time I have seen this feature on a sub 3k US projector.

Also love the flexibility of having motorized lens shift in addition to zoom and focus.

I did this upgrade too, well similar in that it was A E 3000 to HD350 (HD250 in a shiny box ). I just revealed in how dark blacks looked in mixed scenes and dark scene performance really was a step up. I also foun I lost about 25% in 3 months by selling the AE3000 when I did, but I don't regret it. I found it sharper as well, but this could have been due to my A E 3000 being a particularly poor example on the focus side. Now, some 20 months on I'm still enjoying it with no pressing need to upgrade...in fact I've kind of made a plan that I'll only upgrade it when X7 models fall into my price range used (hopefully when the following year's models are launched ).

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I would think the HD250 is nothing more than last year's HD350, and that being said one could probably reference the HD350 thread. And no, this model (and the RS40/X3) does not have internal CMS. Of course, you could buy the EE color box currently used on the Vango projector.

Yes, that's exactly it as posted by GaryB (he works for JVC UK) in another thread: The HD250 is the same internally as the HD350. You'll probably find that it's not quite as oversaturated as the HD1, but it is still quite a long way off especially the green. I bought an early adoptor VideoEQ Pro to use with mine and the colours are now spot on. It also works a treat with a used Isco II lens if anyone is interested (at a very long throw setup mind).
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post #74 of 1857
10/1/10 at 8:49am
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You'll probably find that it's not quite as oversaturated as the HD1, but it is still quite a long way off especially the green. I bought an early adoptor VideoEQ Pro to use with mine and the colours are now spot on. It also works a treat with a used Isco II lens if anyone is interested (at a very long throw setup mind).

I imagine in the entry-level market that JVC is targetting, most users wouldn't be buying external devices to correct colour.

With that being said, should we be worried?
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post #75 of 1857
10/1/10 at 9:02am
Not really...I watched mine for quite a while without external correction, just with the colour and tint turned down a bit. Sure the ISF guys throw there hands up at such a suggestion, but for me it wasn't that bad. I got the VideoEQ Pro at a good deal as part of the Beta testing group and it does make setting the gamma easier than using the rather fiddly custom gamma adjustment in the JVC's menu, which was worth it to me. The CMS is just gravy for me.

A useful tip to all new HD250 owners: The iris on this model has 3 presets, which can be changed in the user menu. By default these are set to minimum, middle and full. I found that the full option was far too bright for my setup (even now at over 500 hours I can't use it). What I did was go into the service menu (up, down, right, left enter very quickly IIRC) and whichever iris preset is in use at the time can be editted in the service menu to any one of 16 steps (just like the dearer HD750/950 models can do in their user menus).

I used this to balance brightness for different setups such as when I used to zoom for 2.35:1 and zoom back to 16:9. I now have mine set at 15, 11 and 8 rather than 15, 8 and 0 which gives a smaller jump between the iris settings.

Hope this is useful, but don't adjust anything else in the SM (not that there is much apart from a 'lens reset' that you shouldn't fiddle with) and I take no responsibilty if you do.
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post #76 of 1857
10/1/10 at 9:03am
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The eagle has landed.

And it is beautiful.

Love the matte satin black finish on the outside. And the gorgeous inky blacks projected. Put in some green scenes and am glad to report that it does not appear to have a overly green look like on my HD1.

Yes, It has. deep blacks, vibrant colors with
* 3 panel D-ILA light engineoriginal JVC technology
* Wire-grid polarizers ensure native contrast ratio up to 32,000:1
* High performance 2x motorized zoom lens with auto dust cover
* 1000 lumen brightness with a three step fixed aperture
* Advanced HQV Reon-VX processor by Silicon Optix
* Ultra quiet 19dB operation
* Customized on-screen gamma control
* HDMI 1.3 interface (x2)

MSRP $2999... AVScience is less

This is the answer to the entry level Lcos.
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post #77 of 1857
10/1/10 at 9:14am
Where can I go see one?
Where do I get one?
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post #78 of 1857
10/1/10 at 9:17am
AVS has them, obviously.

Bobbi,
I think the new Epson is also a contender for entry level LCOS. Of course, Jason just confirmed CMS in the 40 and that may be enough for me to go that route.
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post #79 of 1857
10/1/10 at 10:12am
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I think the new Epson is also a contender for entry level LCOS. Of course, Jason just confirmed CMS in the 40 and that may be enough for me to go that route.

Thats correct about the HD40. I still think the 250 will be a great projector for the money
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post #80 of 1857
10/1/10 at 11:51am
Well, I couldn't take the research anymore and placed an order locally. Fingers crossed.
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post #81 of 1857
10/1/10 at 1:02pm
Sounds good on the smoothness end of things.

So despite there being no frame interpolation, things look ok? Is there blur on pans? Lag?

Could you HD 250 pioneers give more reports on how the sharpness compares to other projectors? Anybody able to compare the HD 250 with the Mitsubishi projectors?
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post #82 of 1857
10/1/10 at 3:33pm
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Yes, It has. deep blacks, vibrant colors with
* 3 panel D-ILA light engineoriginal JVC technology
* Wire-grid polarizers ensure native contrast ratio up to 32,000:1
* High performance 2x motorized zoom lens with auto dust cover
* 1000 lumen brightness with a three step fixed aperture
* Advanced HQV Reon-VX processor by Silicon Optix
* Ultra quiet 19dB operation
* Customized on-screen gamma control
* HDMI 1.3 interface (x2)

MSRP $2999... AVScience is less

This is the answer to the entry level Lcos.

I've been seeing specs from JVC for the HD250 of 25000:1 contrast ratio. Did I miss talk of wire-grid polarizers?
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post #83 of 1857
10/1/10 at 3:44pm
I believe that is taken straight from the JVC website, http://pro.jvc.com/prof/attributes/f...&feature_id=01

It is interesting that the brochure says 25000:1 whereas the website says 32000:1.
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post #84 of 1857
10/1/10 at 5:12pm
Woof,

When you have a chance can you tell us how the projector does when the screen has ambient light on it? Also, if you game on say a xbox 360 how does it look?
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post #85 of 1857
10/1/10 at 5:16pm
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Not really...I watched mine for quite a while without external correction, just with the colour and tint turned down a bit. Sure the ISF guys throw there hands up at such a suggestion, but for me it wasn't that bad. I got the VideoEQ Pro at a good deal as part of the Beta testing group and it does make setting the gamma easier than using the rather fiddly custom gamma adjustment in the JVC's menu, which was worth it to me. The CMS is just gravy for me.

A useful tip to all new HD250 owners: The iris on this model has 3 presets, which can be changed in the user menu. By default these are set to minimum, middle and full. I found that the full option was far too bright for my setup (even now at over 500 hours I can't use it). What I did was go into the service menu (up, down, right, left enter very quickly IIRC) and whichever iris preset is in use at the time can be editted in the service menu to any one of 16 steps (just like the dearer HD750/950 models can do in their user menus).

I used this to balance brightness for different setups such as when I used to zoom for 2.35:1 and zoom back to 16:9. I now have mine set at 15, 11 and 8 rather than 15, 8 and 0 which gives a smaller jump between the iris settings.

Hope this is useful, but don't adjust anything else in the SM (not that there is much apart from a 'lens reset' that you shouldn't fiddle with) and I take no responsibilty if you do.

Too bright? Can you describe what that means. What size screen are you using? On the reviews I read for the 350 and 550 the reviewers kept the iris setting at 3 (full).

I have a 106in screen and the projector will be 11ft back from the screen but I planned to have to iris at position 3. But I can always see which one works best, but I like a bright picture.
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post #86 of 1857
10/1/10 at 6:32pm
I have a few questions about the JVC if anyone has seen a HD250 or any of the lower priced previous models. I may want to upgrade my Sharp 12K MK2 and am wondering how it compares. I am pretty happy with the PQ except in dark scenes in movies like Batman, Harry Potter, etc. the blacks look a little bright and can take you out of the movie. In mixed scenes with some bright content the contrast is excellent.

How much better is the black level than on my Sharp with the iris closed fully in high contrast mode? Will it be a slight improvement or be a huge upgrade?

As far as ANSI contrast I know the Sharp will be way better in theory. Right now I have an 8' ceiling painted white. I am moving soon and will have a 12' vaulted ceiling that I will paint flat black. Do you think in the new room the JVC will be able to match what I am currently getting with the Sharp and a white ceiling?

Last, is the JVC good for gaming, or is there any input delay?
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post #87 of 1857
10/1/10 at 7:43pm
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I was using an old Optoma 720p DLP on loan and the blacks just weren't really black. If anything, it looked worse than my AE3000.

As for Ambient lighting, I have a two rows of fluorescent lights acting as a downlight behind the sofa and when it's on, brightly lit shows like Big Bang Theory still looks watchable. Iris is on the default 3.

I actually think the ANSI contrast looks better than DLP when I was watching Sin City last night. Normally I find whites much stronger on DLP. This wasn't the case with the HD250. But then again, it could be because the bulb's still new.
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post #88 of 1857
10/2/10 at 2:49am
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Too bright? Can you describe what that means. What size screen are you using? On the reviews I read for the 350 and 550 the reviewers kept the iris setting at 3 (full).

I have a 106in screen and the projector will be 11ft back from the screen but I planned to have to iris at position 3. But I can always see which one works best, but I like a bright picture.

Simply put I find that the image hurts my eyes on the brightest settings so I've changed my brightest iris to '8' instead of '0' in the service menu. However I only use this setting if there is ambient light and my typical viewing is done at '12' (minimum is '15' which is the default setting for iris position '1'). I don't like overly bright displays and I'm the kind of person that will dim down a laptop display unless in a very bright room, so I think I prefer a darker image than most. Of course this helps give deeper blacks too.

FWIW my screen is a 1.5 gain Beamax 2.35:1 tab tensioned one. It's 112" wide, but I use an Isco II lens for 2.35:1 content. I'm at minimum zoom as it's around a 20' throw, so again I'm at the dimmest (but highest contrast) end of the projector's zoom. Effectively I'm watching on a 98" diagonal 16:9 when I'm not using my lens if that helps.

If you like a bright image and you start out using the position 3 setting then you have nowhere to go to (apart from high power lamp setting). Bear in the mind the lamp will dim significantly in the first 100-200 hours then settle down, though as it's a gradual process you probably won't be ware of this unless you measure.
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post #89 of 1857
10/2/10 at 7:24am
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Simply put I find that the image hurts my eyes on the brightest settings so I've changed my brightest iris to '8' instead of '0' in the service menu. However I only use this setting if there is ambient light and my typical viewing is done at '12' (minimum is '15' which is the default setting for iris position '1'). I don't like overly bright displays and I'm the kind of person that will dim down a laptop display unless in a very bright room, so I think I prefer a darker image than most. Of course this helps give deeper blacks too.

FWIW my screen is a 1.5 gain Beamax 2.35:1 tab tensioned one. It's 112" wide, but I use an Isco II lens for 2.35:1 content. I'm at minimum zoom as it's around a 20' throw, so again I'm at the dimmest (but highest contrast) end of the projector's zoom. Effectively I'm watching on a 98" diagonal 16:9 when I'm not using my lens if that helps.

If you like a bright image and you start out using the position 3 setting then you have nowhere to go to (apart from high power lamp setting). Bear in the mind the lamp will dim significantly in the first 100-200 hours then settle down, though as it's a gradual process you probably won't be ware of this unless you measure.

Do you have an eye one or similar meter? I'm VERY curious what your ft-L reading is. I know this value is not completely accurate, but it would give us an idea on what kind of brightness your talking about. I'm going to be at a 14' throw at about 100" screen size, Carada brilliant white (1.4 gain), so that would give me a balkpark at least. If you happen to throw a meter up, it would be greatly apprciated!!!

My theory is this....set the iris to a reasonable setting that's bright enough, and slowly "open it up" as time passes/bulb dims. That way you will have the same brightness for a long time!!!
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post #90 of 1857
10/2/10 at 5:36pm
Does this projector have sealed display panels, so you don't have to worry about dust blobs?
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