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post #211 of 551
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Originally Posted by lovingdvd View Post

Bill - my understanding is that the type of screen also plays a big factor in whether there will be light loss as a result of using the Xpand glasses. Which screen do you have? Thanks.

The question I was responding to was whether the Xpand glasses would work with the XV-Z17000, not how bright the image would look through them. You have to select the projector or TV they are used with via multiple presses of the on/off switch and the Sharp TV selection works with the Sharp projector.

I understand that they may not work well with screens intended to enhance contrast such as Stewart Greyhawk but I have no experience with that. In answer to your question, I have a Da-Lite High Power 110" diagnonal 16x9 (54" x 96") which has a 2.4 gain. It does well with 3D since all glasses reduce the light coming from the screen.
post #212 of 551
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Originally Posted by Bill Cruce View Post

The question I was responding to was whether the Xpand glasses would work with the XV-Z17000, not how bright the image would look through them. You have to select the projector or TV they are used with via multiple presses of the on/off switch and the Sharp TV selection works with the Sharp projector.

I understand that they may not work well with screens intended to enhance contrast such as Stewart Greyhawk but I have no experience with that. In answer to your question, I have a Da-Lite High Power 110" diagnonal 16x9 (54" x 96") which has a 2.4 gain. It does well with 3D since all glasses reduce the light coming from the screen.

The JVC RS series is pretty unique in that it uses HORIZONTAL polarization. This means that with certain types of screens the Xpand glasses would make the image much darker compared to the JVC.

Does anyone know if the Sharp uses VERTICAL polarization, in which case this would not be an issue with the Xpand glasses (with any screen type)? Thanks.
post #213 of 551
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Originally Posted by lovingdvd View Post


The JVC RS series is pretty unique in that it uses HORIZONTAL polarization. This means that with certain types of screens the Xpand glasses would make the image much darker compared to the JVC.

Does anyone know if the Sharp uses VERTICAL polarization, in which case this would not be an issue with the Xpand glasses (with any screen type)? Thanks.

The Sharp is DLP: polarization should not be an issue, since there are no LCD panels to polarize the light. I would imagine there should be no difference between glasses that have vertical vs horizontal filters.

That's my understanding, at least.

shinksma
post #214 of 551
A technical point. The LCD panels do not polarize the light. The light beams hitting the panels must be polarized before hitting the panels. The panels act as second polarizers to modulate the polarized light.
post #215 of 551
There were two forum members who were going to check out the Sharp and they both had experience with the JVC and Sony 3D projectors. Hopefully we'll hear from one or both of them shortly.

What leaves me really confused is that Art at Projectorreviews didn't mention any problems with "ghosting" with the Sony (or maybe I missed it?) yet two other reputable reviewers and a number of members here have complained about the crosstalk. Again, Art mentions "ghosting" with the Sharp DLP while another reviewer talks about how "crosstalk" free the Sharp is - O.K. what gives?
post #216 of 551
I have an old Sharp XV-Z10000 which I assumed that I would replace with this...In fact, I had money set aside and ready to buy this... until I found out about the pitiful installation characteristics.

What in the world were they thinking?

When I plugged in my screen data to the calc, I had less than a foot of flexibility on where I can place it? You've got to be kidding. It is going into a room with cathedral ceilings. It needs to be mounted on the back wall (where the existing Sharp projector is) but it can't be... Oh, well...

Anyone know when any other DLP options are coming out? I want *bright*...

-Jon
post #217 of 551
For those who haven't seen this yet here's Projectorcentral's review of the Sharp and its 3D features. Looks like a really good one for 3D in particular - no ghosting, fairly bright and handles all HDMI 1.4 3D formats.



http://www.projectorcentral.com/shar...or_review.html
post #218 of 551
After reading the review, I've decided that this isn't the 3D projector for me due to the projector's black level, fast motion break-up in 3D, slightly soft image due to it's reduced contrast, no frame interpolation (I like my 8500UB's FI), no RGB Gain/Bias adjustment, no lens shift, a 16% offset and a tiny zoom (with a 100" diagonal screen, the throw is from 10' 3" to 11' 11", about twenty inches).

Who in the world is going to purchase this projector instead of an RS40/X3???

IMO, this projector isn't ready for prime time. Not even for 2K, let alone 5K.

What advantages does the Sharp have over the JVC's???
post #219 of 551
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Originally Posted by Elkhunter View Post

After reading the review, I've decided that this isn't the 3D projector for me due to the projector's black level, fast motion break-up in 3D, slightly soft image due to it's reduced contrast, no frame interpolation (I like my 8500UB's FI), no RGB Gain/Bias adjustment, no lens shift, a 16% offset and a tiny zoom (with a 100" diagonal screen, the throw is from 10' 3" to 11' 11", about twenty inches).

Who in the world is going to purchase this projector instead of an RS40/X3???

Me. Just ordered one yesterday from AVS (thanks Bobbi!).

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Originally Posted by Elkhunter View Post

IMO, this projector isn't ready for prime time. Not even for 2K, let alone 5K.

What advantages does the Sharp have over the JVC's???

1. In stock. RS-40s are very, very backordered.
2. Potentially better brightness, especially in 3D and over the long term (due to the RS-40's allegedly fast-dimming bulb)
3. DLP vs LCOS/D-ILA: there are pros and cons to each. Single chip DLP does not have convergence issues, but LCOS/D-ILA doesn't have rainbow effect and generally has better blacks.

In my case I originally didn't want the Sharp due to the limited placement: it meant I would have to move a ceiling fan. As it turns out, I want to move it now anyway, so I may as well move it such that I can clear the area for a PJ. Since I was going to wait an unknown but non-zero number of weeks/months before getting an RS-40, I figured I'll try the Sharp.

I already have another PJ in use for 2D duties - this is purely a 3D toy. Now when it comes to upgrading that other PJ, I may want to explore those deeper blacks in the RS-40, its successor, or other models that will be released over the next year or three.

Oh, one more thing: you mention fast-motion break-up in 3D as a negative. I am under the impression this artifact occurs in every 3D display, it is a result of the 24fps frame rate and how humans process the image, not this particular Sharp PJ. Therefore it would occur with the JVC and other models too (but I might be wrong on this point).

What works for me obviously doesn't work for you, though, and that's fair. If we all wanted the same things it would be a pretty boring planet...

shinksma
post #220 of 551
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Originally Posted by shinksma View Post

Me. Just ordered one yesterday from AVS (thanks Bobbi!).


1. In stock. RS-40s are very, very backordered.
2. Potentially better brightness, especially in 3D and over the long term (due to the RS-40's allegedly fast-dimming bulb)
3. DLP vs LCOS/D-ILA: there are pros and cons to each. Single chip DLP does not have convergence issues, but LCOS/D-ILA doesn't have rainbow effect and generally has better blacks.

In my case I originally didn't want the Sharp due to the limited placement: it meant I would have to move a ceiling fan. As it turns out, I want to move it now anyway, so I may as well move it such that I can clear the area for a PJ. Since I was going to wait an unknown but non-zero number of weeks/months before getting an RS-40, I figured I'll try the Sharp.

I already have another PJ in use for 2D duties - this is purely a 3D toy. Now when it comes to upgrading that other PJ, I may want to explore those deeper blacks in the RS-40, its successor, or other models that will be released over the next year or three.

Oh, one more thing: you mention fast-motion break-up in 3D as a negative. I am under the impression this artifact occurs in every 3D display, it is a result of the 24fps frame rate and how humans process the image, not this particular Sharp PJ. Therefore it would occur with the JVC and other models too (but I might be wrong on this point).

What works for me obviously doesn't work for you, though, and that's fair. If we all wanted the same things it would be a pretty boring planet...

shinksma

Me too! I ordered on Monday. All of what Shinksma wrote, plus it fits perfectly into in my theatre. The installation range is admittedly very limited - but if it works IMHO you get a brighter and sharper image with minimal Zoom and no offset. Also I much prefer DLP and the RS40 is too dim for my 110 diag and has a number of QC issues.
post #221 of 551
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Originally Posted by Elkhunter View Post

After reading the review, I've decided that this isn't the 3D projector for me due to the projector's black level, fast motion break-up in 3D, slightly soft image due to it's reduced contrast, no frame interpolation (I like my 8500UB's FI), no RGB Gain/Bias adjustment, no lens shift, a 16% offset and a tiny zoom (with a 100" diagonal screen, the throw is from 10' 3" to 11' 11", about twenty inches).

Who in the world is going to purchase this projector instead of an RS40/X3???

IMO, this projector isn't ready for prime time. Not even for 2K, let alone 5K.

What advantages does the Sharp have over the JVC's???

I've seen what the 720p 3D DLPs can do so if I felt I needed a 1080p 3D projector I'd be very, very interested in this one. If you've read what gamers have to say about "ghosting" and the JVCs and about how other 3D formats fare with the JVCs (sbs for example) you might rethink your blanket statement. If you're strictly using the projector for BD 3D movies and don't care about a 30 to 60 minute warmup period to ameliorate the "ghosting" issue, then who cares. This projector will also handle 720p 120hz from a PC so you can avoid those 1080p 24hz issues. I'm absolutely amazed how well the 720p DLPs handle a 1080p signal, so this projector should be even better.
If the lamps actually hold up over extended use then this would be another plus. The lamp in my cheap 720p 3D DLP is doing very well after 4 months of regular use and those who have a 720p 3D DLP and a JVC are baffled at the low lumens produced by the JVC (RS-50) while their cheap 720p 3D DLP just keeps on truckin! We're at the leading edge of 3D projectors and they all seem to have some 3D issues - personally I'm sitting back with what I have for 3D and waiting for this to sort itself out (and I'm glad I am!). Maybe next year.

There are some JVC issues discussed here,

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1323670

For those who really want to bend their minds and want to turn their present single 2D projector into a 3D projector try this on for size! I think I'll give it a go with my Epson 9500.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1323736
post #222 of 551
Having seen the new JVCs, I gave up on them very quickly for 3D.

Even with under 100 hours on the clock, the lamp on high, a high gain screen and a batcave to view in - it just wasn't bright enough.

And this was the top model X9.
post #223 of 551
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Originally Posted by Electric_Haggis View Post

Having seen the new JVCs, I gave up on them very quickly for 3D.

Even with under 100 hours on the clock, the lamp on high, a high gain screen and a batcave to view in - it just wasn't bright enough.

And this was the top model X9.

I was just reading Art's review of the top JVC. I like his reviews as a whole, but man does he give the JVCs a free pass some time. His sample only measured 451 lumens full power at D65...that's pathetic! Who cares about blacks if you can't see the rest of the movie? lol
post #224 of 551
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Originally Posted by Electric_Haggis View Post

Having seen the new JVCs, I gave up on them very quickly for 3D.

Even with under 100 hours on the clock, the lamp on high, a high gain screen and a batcave to view in - it just wasn't bright enough.

And this was the top model X9.

As we are finding out, there may be as much a 30% difference between the X7/X9 vs the X3 and equivalent US model with the edge leaning toward the entry model.

Glad to hear members are buying the 17000, curious to hear the feedback. Any new owners have a light meter? it would be nice to know the 2D D65 lumen output and 3D as well.


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Originally Posted by Joesyah View Post

I was just reading Art's review of the top JVC. I like his reviews as a whole, but man does he give the JVCs a free pass some time. His sample only measured 451 lumens full power at D65...that's pathetic! Who cares about blacks if you can't see the rest of the movie? lol

in all fairness, he thought something was wrong with the projector and sent it back to JVC for evaluation and replacement to re-test which hasn't happened. The reality is imo, something isn't right with the 50/60/X7/X9 as these are similiar measurements to my RS50. We are still waiting for JVC to say something, but they are incredibly silent. likely hoping the enthusiasts weren't going to catch on.

For the cost of the 50 and especially the 60, they need to says something soon as I know of a number of folks canceling their orders until JVC acknowledges what's going on here.
post #225 of 551
I picked up a brandnew XV-Z17000 at my local distributor yesterday.
This new SHARP will replace my existing RS-20, which was suffering from the well documented gradual loss of light output (despite cleaning the optics, etc.)

I have spent the last three months comparing 3D-capable projectors below $10k (Sony vs. JVC vs. Mitsubishi).
My screen is a 120" (16:9) Dragonfly AcoustiWeave acoustically transparent screen.

Here are my initial findings:
The improvement in light output (2D) when compared to my RS20 (750 hours on the bulb) is significant (both in 'low lamp' or ECO mode). Due to the fact that this is a single-chip projector, the image detail is absolutely incredible !
I was initially never a big supporter of single-chip DLP projectors because of the well known "rainbow" effects (which I am very sensitive to).
With the SHARP I can NOT see any rainbows - none what so ever.
I don't know how SHARP has modified the engine and color wheel to practically eliminate any visible rainbow effect.

When compared to the JVC and SONY projectors (not to mention the "catastrophic" Mitsubishi HC-9000 3D presentation at CES) in 3D mode, the SHARP has clearly the better looking 3D image. There is NO ghosting or crosstalk - the 3D image simply looks amazing. BTW, I am installing and calibrating digital cinema projectors (Christie, Barco, NEC) and 3D technology (RealD, Sony, Dolby 3D, Xpand) for a living, so I dare to say that I know a good 3D image when I see one.
I used Nvidia's Left Eye & Right Eye identifcation test patterns (Nvidia 3D Setup Wizard). There is no visible crosstalk. The Left Eye/Right Eye separation is really good !

There are two IRIS settings on the XV-Z17000. I left IRIS1 in 'High Brightness' and set IRIS2 to 'Automatic'. The black levels are comparable to commercial DLP cinema projectors. JVC's black levels are certainly nice but have technically nothing to do with reference DLP black level reproduction in post-production (or theatrical exhibition) DLP black levels or 35mm film.

It seems that CMS1 and CMS2 are not really usable for full 18-point color gamut correction, but I have a Lumagen and a DVDO Duo scaler at my disposal , so I will do the gamut correction to REC709 from the outside. When looking at SMPTE color bars, the unit seems to be outside the boundaries of REC709, however I have not had a chance yet to measure Grayscale or Gamma. Visually speaking, one click below (-1) the default color temperature setting seems to be closest to D65.
There are only two controls for white-point correction -> One slider for red gain, and one slider for blue gain which may or may not be sufficient. I have only had the unit for one day, so I have not had a chance to measure the native whitepoint and normalized grayscale linearity. As I mentioned above, there is always the DVDO Duo (or Lumagen, VideoEQ, etc.). I understand that an external video processor may not be in everyone's budget.

I am feeding the projector from a Media PC ('MyMovies')with a Nvidia GEForce GT430 card and Arcsoft TMT 5 (latest version). Automatic 3D switching works beautifully and the projector switches back to 2D mode when 3D Blu-Ray disc playback is stopped.

AVATAR looks simply amazing on this unit. I also checked SAW 3D and CORALINE. When I asked my wife to have a look, she was staring at the screen for 5 minutes not saying ONE word (which is somewhat unusual for her). The glasses (the unit ships with two pairs) weigh about 65 grams and seem comfortable. Each set of glasses includes two different nose pieces (depending on the size of your smelling organ). The glasses ship with CR2032 button type batteries installed and are supposed to last for about 75 hours. In a dark room you can actually see the IR LED cluster shining through the front bezel of the projector, which eliminates the need for an external IR blaster.

I am very fortunate (or dumb lucky) to have the ideal mounting distance and height (above the screen) for this projector. This was my biggest concern, but it worked out beautifully - in my case there is almost no visible keystoning. For most people I would imagine that the short zoom range and the fixed vertical offset may be the biggest drawback, so use SHARP's calculator.

This projector is definetely a keeper (my RS20 will go on Ebay this weekend ).

Cheers,
Helmut
ISF & THX Video Calibrator
HAA Level 1
Minolta CS-200
Photo Research PR-655
post #226 of 551
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Originally Posted by Melgon View Post

It seems that CMS1 and CMS2 are not really usable for full 18 point color gamut correction, but I have a Lumagen and a DVDO Duo scaler at my disposal , so I will do the gamut correction to REC709 from the outside. I have not had a chance yet to measure grayscale or Gamma, but visually speaking, one click below (-1) the default color temperature setting seems to be closest to D65.
There are only two controls for white-point correction -> One slider for red gain, and one slider for blue gain which may or may not be sufficient. I did not get a chance to measure the native whitepoint and normalized grayscale linearity. As I mentioned above, there is always a DVDO Duo (or Lumagen, VideoEQ, etc).

thanks for the great feedback, always glad to see projectors driven by HTPC's. The GT430 and TMT5 is a great combo and use the same setup on my RS50.

quick questions - without an external CMS, do you see the limited white point corrections as an issue as the lamp ages, red go away, etc? I'd be curious to know how the white balance shifts as the lamp ages. My new RS50 lamp lost a signficant amount of red in the first 200 hours, but it's easy to correct with the gain/bias controls.

position - I have an HP screen and mount all my projectors at a few inches above eye level. Can this work with the Sharp or does it need to be a ceiling mount?

Lumens - Can you please take a few LUX measurements @ D65 in 2D and also in 3D mode as well? I'd like to see with a zero hour lamp how it compares to the RS40 and also the RS50/60 which appears to put out less light than the entry RS40 model @ D65.

thanks!!
post #227 of 551
melgon - i'll be interested to hear your impressions after doing a grayscale adjustment. i have the sharp z15000 and i noticed a significant difference after making the grayscale calibration. it was a nice picture before but a really beautiful picture after.
post #228 of 551
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Originally Posted by zombie10k View Post

position - I have an HP screen and mount all my projectors at a few inches above eye level. Can this work with the Sharp or does it need to be a ceiling mount?

The Sharp needs a ceiling mount. The throw angle is fixed both vertically and horizontally, and the zoom range very limited. At typical screen sizes (100" to 120" diagonal, say) the PJ needs to sit about 8" or 9" above the top of the screen, assuming you want zero keystoning. So the traditional placement locations for HP screens won't work.

That is the one big drawback of this model, and will probably limit sales to folks like me who can accomodate the appropriate positioning and image throw angle limitations.

shinksma
post #229 of 551
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Originally Posted by shinksma View Post

The Sharp needs a ceiling mount. The throw angle is fixed both vertically and horizontally, and the zoom range very limited. At typical screen sizes (100" to 120" diagonal, say) the PJ needs to sit about 8" or 9" above the top of the screen, assuming you want zero keystoning. So the traditional placement locations for HP screens won't work.

That is the one big drawback of this model, and will probably limit sales to folks like me who can accomodate the appropriate positioning and image throw angle limitations.

shinksma

I've said it before and I'll say it again - the HP screen will work! It may not provide the full gain of 2.8 or 2.4, but it will most likely provide more gain than a 1.3 gain screen and has a basically invisible surface texture and won't show surface tension imperfections like slight waves that pulldown screens often have. I've used the HP in many configurations for the past 10 years and it is the one I have always gone back to. The problem with this forum is that some members want absolute perfection - well good luck with that! Not only will you spend a fortune (good news for this forum and its sponsors ) but you absolutely won't find it! Let's put it this way -- I've spent a fortune and been looking for the past 30 years and it has certainly alluded me and I have no doubt it'll always stay ahead of you too. I recently spent $600.00 on a projector, instead of the usual $5,000 to $15,000 and it has got me closer to what I'm looking for than anything else I've thrown money at. Now I just sit back and watch, with some amusement, as others literally write blank cheques for projectors that don't work to their expectations and then add outboard processors to "fix" what the pj was supposed to do in the first place and get frustrated and sell the damn thing at a major lose and then start the whole process over again. At some point, like me, you just might want to get off the merry-go-round for a moment in order to gain some perspective.
post #230 of 551
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Originally Posted by Deja Vu View Post

I've said it before and I'll say it again - the HP screen will work!

I never said a HP screen wouldn't work, I said the Sharp won't work in the traditional PJ location for a HP screen (just above light of sight behind the viewers). For some people, that is very important. And many folks want to squeeze every lumen out of their PJ and get as much of the 2.4 or 2.8 gain their HP screen offers.

I'm glad you are happy with your solution: I considered waiting for the much cheaper HDMI 1.4 BD-compatible Acer PJ, but I did not want to compromise on resolution, and I think the Sharp will provide a better-contrast image overall.

shinksma
post #231 of 551
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Originally Posted by shinksma View Post

I never said a HP screen wouldn't work, I said the Sharp won't work in the traditional PJ location for a HP screen (just above light of sight behind the viewers). For some people, that is very important. And many folks want to squeeze every lumen out of their PJ and get as much of the 2.4 or 2.8 gain their HP screen offers.

I'm glad you are happy with your solution: I considered waiting for the much cheaper HDMI 1.4 BD-compatible Acer PJ, but I did not want to compromise on resolution, and I think the Sharp will provide a better-contrast image overall.

shinksma

I agree, the Sharp will provide a better overall solution than what I'm presently using. At one time I would actually have cared, but not now. The Sharp will cost me 8 to 9 times as much for a maybe slightly better image. What I'm using now will hold me over until other manufacturers get their 3D products on the market and what we'll see is what we always see - better and cheaper solutions. In fact, now that you can convert a 2D projector into a 3D one, and do it cheaply, I'm going to try this with my Epson 9500 and maybe it'll work with my G90 as well. With respect to the HP and not getting every last lumen out of it - what other solution is there in its price range that will give this kind of performance? If you're only getting 2.0 or 1.8 gain, why is that a problem when the other high gain screens often cost a lot more and come with their own problems - hot spotting, sparklies, visible screen texture while viewing etc. We come here, read and then chose what we think will be the best solution for our particular set of circumstances. I only bought a 720p 3D DLP to test the waters since I thought I might suffer from eyestrain while watching 3D - no point paying ten times this and then discovering I had problems with 3D. I was shocked at how good 3D at 720p with a 1080p source could actually look - it was somewhat like I would image a religious experience might be for some. I would never have believed that 720p resolution for 3D could look this good unless I saw it for myself - and all the 2D artifacts disappeared for me, like RBE. If it wasn't for what I now know the Sharp would be at the top of my list - I firmly believe that at this time DLP provides the best 3D performance and when it comes to 1080p the Sharp, at the moment, is the only game in town. All of this will change in the coming months.
post #232 of 551
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Originally Posted by Melgon View Post

I picked up a brandnew XV-Z17000 at my local distributor yesterday....

Thanks for the great write up! Can you please elaborate on the picture quality differences between the Z17K and the RS20? How does the Sharpness compare? You mention something about the Z17K's black level, but I wasn't sure what to make of it - does the RS20 still have the edge in black level and if so by how much?

How many lumens does your Sharp put out with the new lamp, and are you at short, mid or long throw? Given the Sharp will seem so much more vibrant because the RS20's bulb was so dim, could that be impacting your impressions?

Too bad Sharp did not add horizontal and vertical lens shift - especially given its off-center lens. As a result, I cannot use it in my set up. I could accommodate the horizontal shift but not the vertical (not even close). Hopefully Sharp will add the lens shift to next year's model... At any rate glad to see them back in the game, especially since I've been very disappointed by what's going on with the new JVC line this year.
post #233 of 551
Melgon,
Great review. I wish I had your knowledge on setup and calibration. I too have the 17000 (still in the box). I've had the projector for 3 weeks now, but due to work and other activity going on, I have not yet mounted it. I did get a ceiling mount with the projector (not mounted).

My screen size is 96" x 72" (4:3), such that the distance to the screen should be the same as yours. Can you tell me how far that is?

Also, is there a good calibration (info) site, as in - how to set up the colors properly?

Thanks again for the great review.
Chris
post #234 of 551
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Originally Posted by kaufmancd View Post
Melgon,
Great review. I wish I had your knowledge on setup and calibration. I too have the 17000 (still in the box). I've had the projector for 3 weeks now, but due to work and other activity going on, I have not yet mounted it. I did get a ceiling mount with the projector (not mounted).

My screen size is 96" x 72" (4:3), such that the distance to the screen should be the same as yours. Can you tell me how far that is?

Also, is there a good calibration (info) site, as in - how to set up the colors properly?

Thanks again for the great review.
Chris
My throw distance (front of lens to screen) is exactly 14 feet. My screen size is 105" x 59" (16:9 aspect ratio). For my screen size, SHARP specifies a minimum throw distance of 12'4" and a maximum of 14'3" - I got "lucky".

You also have a 120" diagonal, but a 4:3 aspect ratio screen.
The minimum throw distance for your setup would be 15'2" and the maximum 17'5".
You may also want to consult page 18 of the operation manual.
http://files.sharpusa.com/Downloads/...n_XVZ17000.pdf

In regards to calibration, I would recommend that you find an experienced ISF/THX calibrator in your area and pay his fee.
You may want to have a look at Spectracal's offerings:
http://www.spectracal.com/newpurchas...Type=Home&Mx=3
Professional color calibration requires training and experience.
If you are in Southern California, I would certainly be happy to help you with your setup

To 'lovingdvd': The perceived black level (if calibrated correctly) in 'low lamp' mode will appear 'darker' on the RS20.
I am spending all day long setting up commercial Digital Cinema projectors in production and exhibition environments (Technicolor, EFILM, Fotokem, A.M.P.A.S., etc.).
These are the environments in which artistic decisons are made by colorists, cinematographers and directors. None of these setups have black levels that look like JVC's black levels. The pursuit of 'perfect abscence of light' black levels has become somewhat ridiculous among consumer display manufacturers lately. DLP technology will yield very good black levels (if calibrated correctly) and the SHARP XV-Z17000 has very good black levels.
For everyday viewing, I would still recommend activating IRIS 2 on the XV-Z17000, which is an auto-iris. JVC are using their own (non-mechanical) "cheating" mechanism - it's called a "wire-grid polarizer".
I regards to sharpness - it is really superb on the XV-Z17000. The chromatic aberration caused by the lens is very, very small.
Any time you buy a 3-chip projector (DLP, LCD, D-ILA, SXRD) you run the risk of slight (or sometimes not so slight) panel convergence misalignment. I was very fortunate with my RS-20 as the convergence of the three panels was very good out of the box. Still, the XV-Z17000 is SHARPer.

I will be able to post some numbers about light output, native colorimetry, etc. next week after I mount the unit permanently to the ceiling.
I have ordered the replacement mounting plate for my existing Chief ceiling count (SLB173 - if anyone cares to know). Right now the projector is attached to the existing mount with cable ties

A few more observations:
The projector seems to initially always power up in full lamp brightness mode (even if ECO mode was selected earlier) and switch to ECO mode after about one minute. This is probably required to start the lamp up properly.
The projector starts up very fast (it always took about one minute for the RS20 to show an image).
Just because I can, I have tried to use VIZIO 3D glasses (made by RealD) with the XV-Z17000.
VIZIO's glasses won't respond to SHARP's IR signal, so don't bother.
I ordered some DLP-Link active shutter glasses just to see how they work and how they compare to the SHARP glasses (which are actually very nice).
I am also controlling the unit via the serial port now.
To save those Crestron, Control4, RTI, etc. programmers among you the headache I went through: The 'Power On' command is not 'POWR___1\
' as stated in the manual, it is actually 'POWR 1\
' (with three spaces).
The default baudrate is 9600 - use a null-modem cable.

The Nvidia GeForce GT430 and TMT5 are still going strong (JVC seems to be having issues here) ...

Oh, and if anyone is interested in my "RS20", it is now listed on a well know auction website as Anthem LTX 500 (which is essentially completely identical to the RS20).

More to follow ...
Thank you.
-Helmut
post #235 of 551
Are the new 1080p 3d dlp chips expensive? Just wondering how Sharp is justifying the price difference between the 15000 and this 17000.
post #236 of 551
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Originally Posted by johnsmith808 View Post

Are the new 1080p 3d dlp chips expensive? Just wondering how Sharp is justifying the price difference between the 15000 and this 17000.

I think Sharp's justification is "market price". Take the 15000, add two sets of glasses ($250), a built in emitter ($100), maybe $100 for more expensive components to handle 3D. The other cost to factor is the non-recurring engineering for the redesign for 3D and the case redesign for the emitter. So price of the 17000 should be about $600 to $1000 more than that of the 15000.

But it isn't, due to lack of competition or a target sell quantity low enough that the NRE really has an impact.

IMHO, just guessing, all figures are my own estimates,

shinksma
post #237 of 551
My Sharp Experience:

Purchased the XV-Z17000 right after they started shipping. The unit arrived and had:

1. A cloverleaf pattern of dark blotches in the projected frame.
2. A nice dust blob.
3. A second dust blob outside of the projected frame?!

In short, I had the projector on for about 30 minutes before boxing it up and calling the service center. This, as it turns out, has been a huge mistake. I haven't seen the projector in a month. The service center said 5-6 days. After 2 weeks, I got a call stating that the service center guy, while he COULD see the problems, didn't have a good enough setup to PHOTOGRAPH the problems and send them to Sharp. He wanted me to take the projector back home and photograph it.

First, the problems aren't easy to photograph... and it sure as heck shouldn't be my responsibility to do so. I had taken photos prior to taking it to service, so I sent those. The guy is supposed to be working on the projector today, but I have no idea what that means at this point. This is now the worst projector experience I've had, and I had plenty with my Canon SX50 and it's dust blob/convergence/dead pixels.

I think Sharp should be replacing the projector. If anyone has a brilliant ideas on how to actually get ahold of a REAL customer service person, please let me know.

The really great thing is that I write technical books for a few publishers on the side. I had chosen this as a nice 3D option to cover in an upcoming title. How wrong I was. I do not expect to get a working projector out of this "repair."
post #238 of 551
The 3D upgrade for 720p projectors came at no cost that I can tell. 2500 to upgrade the 1080p projector seems way out of line.
post #239 of 551
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Originally Posted by Doorknob View Post

My Sharp Experience:

Purchased the XV-Z17000 right after they started shipping. The unit arrived and had:

1. A cloverleaf pattern of dark blotches in the projected frame.
2. A nice dust blob.
3. A second dust blob outside of the projected frame?!

In short, I had the projector on for about 30 minutes before boxing it up and calling the service center. This, as it turns out, has been a huge mistake. I haven't seen the projector in a month.

since this happened right out of the box, couldn't you send the projector back to where you purchased it?

This isn't a cheap projector, i'd be equally upset if they don't immediately replace it. Service on a brand new unit shouldn't even be a consideration.
post #240 of 551
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Originally Posted by wnielsenbb View Post

The 3D upgrade for 720p projectors came at no cost that I can tell. 2500 to upgrade the 1080p projector seems way out of line.

How dose one upgrade ther 2D pj to 3D?

Can any pj be upgraded or just certain brands & models?

Thx!
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