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post #481 of 551
6/29/11 at 10:41am
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Originally Posted by Daniel Hutnicki View Post

We sell the Chief line. If you have a chief mount, you dont need to replace the whole thing. You just need to replace the plate

How do I tell if it's a chief mount?

I was mistaken about the model # (couldn't read it off the picture I took correctly). It's the Sharp AN-CM250. I was told it's not compatible by Sharp, and that I need the Sharp AN-XRCM30.
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post #482 of 551
6/29/11 at 12:47pm
Will connecting this to a DVI cable (with an HDMI adapter) be a problem?
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post #483 of 551
6/29/11 at 1:17pm
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Originally Posted by helcik View Post

hi folks,

mine z17000 came with 2 pair of glasses. Both of them make a buzzzz sound when 3D is on. One is loud and distractive even when watching movies, the other one is heard only in silence.

Please, listen to you glasses and tell me if I need to return them.

Where is the buzz coming from, the lenses or electronics in the frame? Is it high or low frequency?

Michael
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post #484 of 551
6/29/11 at 1:32pm
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Originally Posted by Michael2000 View Post

Where is the buzz coming from, the lenses or electronics in the frame? Is it high or low frequency?

Michael

Its low frequency, I will put my ear closer to see if it comes from the lenses or electronics.
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post #485 of 551
6/29/11 at 1:53pm
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Originally Posted by hdtvmaniac View Post

Will connecting this to a DVI cable (with an HDMI adapter) be a problem?




Component Video: Yes
Video: Yes
Digital Input: HDMI 1.4
http://www.projectorcentral.com/Shar...-XV-Z17000.htm

use a hdmi to dvi cable if you can
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post #486 of 551
6/29/11 at 1:56pm
http://www.monoprice.com/products/se...o+dvi&x=27&y=6
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post #487 of 551
6/29/11 at 2:25pm
I'm not quite sure I understand your answer. I plan on getting a DVI to HDMI adapter to connect to the projector, since I can't replace my DVI cable without punching holes in my wall and ceiling to rewire it with an HDMI 1.4 cable.

What would be the problem with that?

I spoke with Sharp customer support and they didn't believe I should have an issue, but I was hoping maybe someone else who might be more informed could chime in on this scenario.
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post #488 of 551
6/29/11 at 2:44pm
It will work fine. I run my PC 3D through a DVI->HDMI adapter. DVI is better than HDMI. 1080P60 3D is only possible with DVI infact.
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post #489 of 551
6/30/11 at 9:24am
yeah, but the Projector is limited to a hdmi 1.4 chip which can't do 1080p60 right now in 3D. They did mention in the 3D forum that the new HDMI 1.4 chip will do over 300mhz and be capable of 1080p 60hz 3D, but who knows when we will see the new chip and if they will market it as such.
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post #490 of 551
6/30/11 at 9:42am
90% sure I'll get the sharp within the next few weeks. Just a few questions.

1. If my screen is 6" from the ceiling and the projector is also ceiling mounted (with mount it's around 8" from ceiling) would the sharp work for me? The distance from the screen is a non issue, and If I need I can lower the screen about 9".

2. PS3. Is there ANY ghosting at all with PS3 games? PS3 games destroy the RS50 and Sony VW90 and there are already reports that the new Sony also has significant ghosting with PS3 games. I'm hoping to play Uncharted 3, Motorstorm, Resistance 3, Last Guardian, etc without any ghosting at all.

3. Rainbows. Being Sensitive it's a pain in the arse seeing them, but it's incouraging to hear that the Sharp has little ghosting. How has your experience been?

4. How sharp is the sharp I LOVE the sharpness of single chip DLP and I'm wondering how it stacks up to other DLP projectors. I owned the Benq W5000 and that was one sharp mofo. Anyone have experience with the Benq or similar projectors?

Cedia is coming up but I doubt there will be any new DLP announcements as teh DLP camp usually skips Cedia anyway, and the new LED DLPs are still gonna be too expensive and doubtfull if they will be 3D anyway as the brightness is an issue, unless you got 17k for what Mark says is a 4000 lumen LED 3D projector
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post #491 of 551
6/30/11 at 10:26am
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Originally Posted by conan48 View Post

Cedia is coming up but I doubt there will be any new DLP announcements as teh DLP camp usually skips Cedia anyway, and the new LED DLPs are still gonna be too expensive and doubtfull if they will be 3D anyway as the brightness is an issue, unless you got 17k for what Mark says is a 4000 lumen LED 3D projector

I am waiting a few weeks to hear more about the 3 new 1080P Optoma DLP's. At least one of them is going to have verticle lens shift which is a must for my HP screen.

If the 17k has lens shift, I would have bought it months ago as a dedicated 3D projector. Looking forward to your comments given your previous experience with the JVC, Sony and the Acer.
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post #492 of 551
6/30/11 at 10:33am
1. If my screen is 6" from the ceiling and the projector is also ceiling mounted (with mount it's around 8" from ceiling) would the sharp work for me? The distance from the screen is a non issue, and If I need I can lower the screen about 9".
http://www.projectorcentral.com/Shar...ulator-pro.htm
The center of the lens will need to be 10 inches above the screen. You would need your screen 18" which is 3 more than you say you can. That is really pretty minor. You would just have to tilt the projector up a bit. Check that throw calculator to make sure the distance is right for your screen.

2. PS3. Is there ANY ghosting at all with PS3 games? PS3 games destroy the RS50 and Sony VW90 and there are already reports that the new Sony also has significant ghosting with PS3 games. I'm hoping to play Uncharted 3, Motorstorm, Resistance 3, Last Guardian, etc without any ghosting at all.
I don't have any problems with my 720P 3D DLP Projector. It will be fine, outside of programming issues.

3. Rainbows. Being Sensitive it's a pain in the arse seeing them, but it's incouraging to hear that the Sharp has little ghosting. How has your experience been?
I have no problems with my 720P which has a slower wheel than the Sharp, but that is up to you to decide of course. The wheel is 5x like your W5000.

4. How sharp is the sharp I LOVE the sharpness of single chip DLP and I'm wondering how it stacks up to other DLP projectors. I owned the Benq W5000 and that was one sharp mofo. Anyone have experience with the Benq or similar projectors?
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post #493 of 551
6/30/11 at 7:59pm
Anyone use the AN-XRCM30 mount with the Sharp XV-Z17000?

I'm puzzled over how to align it. The mounting bracket doesn't seem to align with the screws on the base of the projector, but it was specifically stated as a ceiling mount bracket for the Sharp XV-Z17000 in the manual (and customer support also had referred me to that particular mount).

If I align any two of the top or bottom threads with the bracket holes, the other holes end up being misaligned with the other two threads.

This is getting really frustrating because I want to get this set up by this weekend.
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post #494 of 551
7/1/11 at 5:22am
Honest to God. I know you are frustrated but why didn't you just buy an inexpensive Chief mount for it and everybody here would have been able to help you and you would have saved money. None here probably has ever seen the Sharp mount. Perhaps you can provide a link to the instructions for it and we might be able to help you out.
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post #495 of 551
7/1/11 at 6:10am
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Originally Posted by mark haflich View Post

Honest to God. I know you are frustrated but why didn't you just buy an inexpensive Chief mount for it and everybody here would have been able to help you and you would have saved money. None here probably has ever seen the Sharp mount. Perhaps you can provide a link to the instructions for it and we might be able to help you out.

Didn't know anything about the Chief mount at the time.

Will that work with the Sharp XV-Z17000? The AN-XRCM30 apparently was mistakenly included in the instruction manual, and Sharp goofed I guess. At least that's what I got from the person I spoke to in tech support.

I'll be returning that mounting bracket.

If you guys know of a mount that works, please let me know ASAP. I'd like to get it by tomorrow if possible so I can get it set up.

Thanks
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post #496 of 551
7/1/11 at 6:21am
So I measured the distances between the four holes. And I need a plate/bracket that has a distance of 3.5" in the pair of holes and 3" between the pair of holes. If that makes any sense.

The An-XRCM30 is clearly wrong, and the plate that Sharp recommended, I can't find anywhere. So I'm looking for a bracket or plate that can attach to the Sharp as well.
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post #497 of 551
7/1/11 at 9:17am
I may wait a bit for some more news on the Optoma, such as colour wheel speed, black levels, 3d brightness, etc.

I do like that the Optoma will have Puremotion plus which would be awesome if it worked with 3D like the Sony did.

Also, sharp is 1600 lumens, and the Optoma (higher end model) is only 1300, and contrast is 40 000 vs. 30 000 for Optoma.

Decisions..........Hopefully Art gets the Optoma soon as he usually gets stuff from Optoma before anyone else, and we can have the first real 3D projector faceoff. Forget LCOS, LCD, for 3D. DLP will ALWAYS have the best 3D because of it's insane native refresh rate. (over 2000hz) Doesn't matter what gimmicks they come up with for LCOS every year. The DLP will ALWAYS be 3D KING!!!
Just wish the 2D could match it's 3D performance (especially black levels)
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post #498 of 551
7/1/11 at 10:44am
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Originally Posted by hdtvmaniac View Post

Didn't know anything about the Chief mount at the time.

Will that work with the Sharp XV-Z17000? The AN-XRCM30 apparently was mistakenly included in the instruction manual, and Sharp goofed I guess. At least that's what I got from the person I spoke to in tech support.

I'll be returning that mounting bracket.

If you guys know of a mount that works, please let me know ASAP. I'd like to get it by tomorrow if possible so I can get it set up.

Thanks

The Chief mount works superbly with the Sharp Z17K - got mine from AVS when I ordered the PJ. Call Mark (or anyone else at AVS) and they'll get you hooked up ASAP. I don't remember the specific model number, might have been mentioned here, but it doesn't matter - the AVS folks will know it right away.

shinksma
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post #499 of 551
7/1/11 at 10:47am
hi guys,

did any of you tried to put an ear close to the glass and see if it makes any buzz? I tried both of my pair I got with the PJ. There is a buzz comming from each of the lenses, probably due to switching them on and off. I can hear the buzz during normal use and it is distracting for me.
Pls, verify yours, but put close attention to any sound comming from the glass, make the sound mute and let me know if you hear any buzz.
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post #500 of 551
7/1/11 at 10:57am
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Originally Posted by conan48 View Post

90% sure I'll get the sharp within the next few weeks. Just a few questions.

1. If my screen is 6" from the ceiling and the projector is also ceiling mounted (with mount it's around 8" from ceiling) would the sharp work for me? The distance from the screen is a non issue, and If I need I can lower the screen about 9".

As wnielsenbb mentioned, use the Calculator. For most installations, the PJ lens needs to be about 8" or 9" from the top of the screen, which would mean the top of the screen needs to be about 16" from the ceiling. A slight tilt upward will solve the alignment issue and will likely never be noticed.

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Originally Posted by conan48 View Post

2. PS3. Is there ANY ghosting at all with PS3 games? PS3 games destroy the RS50 and Sony VW90 and there are already reports that the new Sony also has significant ghosting with PS3 games. I'm hoping to play Uncharted 3, Motorstorm, Resistance 3, Last Guardian, etc without any ghosting at all.

No ghosting that I have seen that I can't atttribute to the source material. (I have noted in the 3D Content forum that I can see some distinct ghosting in Drive Angry 3D in the left eyepoint, but only in very specific camera views - it comes and goes exactly with the camera cuts. If anyone can check that out, I'd appreciate it. See my post in the 3D Content forum for timestamps.)

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Originally Posted by conan48 View Post

3. Rainbows. Being Sensitive it's a pain in the arse seeing them, but it's incouraging to hear that the Sharp has little ghosting. How has your experience been?

I don't see rainbows with either my BenQ W5000 or my Z17K, so I think you'll be fine.

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Originally Posted by conan48 View Post

4. How sharp is the sharp I LOVE the sharpness of single chip DLP and I'm wondering how it stacks up to other DLP projectors. I owned the Benq W5000 and that was one sharp mofo. Anyone have experience with the Benq or similar projectors?

Sharp Z17K is very similar to the BenQ - nice and sharp.

The only thing the BenQ does better than the Z17K is fan noise - the W5K is quieter, but I have the Z17K Eco+Quiet mode off, whereas I have the W5K Whisper mode on. I seem to recall that with Eco+Quiet enabled on the Z17K it is almost as quiet as the W5K.

shinksma
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post #501 of 551
7/3/11 at 1:36pm
From Home Theater Magazine May 4, 2011
Reader Question:
"I'm in the market for a 3D projector, and I'm considering the Sony VPL-VW90ES, JVC DLA-X9, Sharp XV-Z17000, Mitsubishi HC9000, and Samsung SP-A8000. Which would you recommend? Can I use the Samsung 3D glasses with all of them, or would I have to purchase the same brand?"
Jim Morige

Scott Wilkinson's reply:
"We haven't reviewed the JVC DLA-X9, but Tom Norton reviewed the Sony VW90ES (pictured above) in the May 2011 issue of Home Theater, which also includes a review of the DLA-X3 by Kris Deering and the DLA-X7 by Shane Buettner. Also, Tom is working on the Sharp XV-Z17000 for the August issue, and he has used the X3 for several weeks. Of the three Tom has worked with directly, he likes the Sony best, though the JVC is pretty close. He reports that the Sharp is more limited in its controls, but he hasn't calibrated it yet.

We haven't seen the Mitsubishi or Samsung except at trade shows. Under those less-than-ideal conditions, the Mitsubishi looked very dim with lots of artifacts, but that could have been a prototype issue. The Samsung looked very good, but according to the company's PR agency, it is not scheduled to be released in the US. In my view, it's a toss-up between the Sony and JVC, with the Sony getting a slight edge from Tom."
http://www.ultimateavmag.com/content/3d-projectors

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Home Theater Magazine Senior reviewer Tom Norton gave the $10K Sony 90ES 3D his highest rating (5 stars & Top-Pick) even thought the he complains its too dim and has ghosting.
I've received the August 2011 issue and guess what: there is no promised Sharp 17000 review!
Now why could that be? Everyone knows the Sharp has the brightest, widest dynamic range, artifact free, with ZERO ghosting 3D.
Go figure.
http://www.hometheater.com/content/s...ojector-page-3
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post #502 of 551
7/3/11 at 4:07pm
So I finally mounted the Sharp projector and it seems fine, but I'm noticing that the picture is bowed out along the center, vertically and horizontally. The picture is curved as you approach the center from either direction along the edges. I hope that makes sense.

Any idea what to do about this?

My projector is tilted upwards, because the center of the lens is 7.5" from the ceiling and so is the top of my screen, so I had to compensate for that.

It's about 14' away from the screen as well, and the screen is 120" diagonal.

I had to extend my cables which came out of my ceiling using an HDMI coupler and hdmi cable and then an hdmi-dvi adapter in order to make it reach, but now there's some sag associated with the cables coming from the ceiling. Any idea on what would be a good way to secure the cables to the ceiling as they run along the course to the projector?
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post #503 of 551
7/5/11 at 10:58am
You compensated with keystone correction I assume? If not try that. There will be less pixels being used at the top than the bottom, but all lines should be straight then.
Any hardware store sells cable guides you could use. They have plastic ones you could paint to match the ceiling even.
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post #504 of 551
7/5/11 at 11:45am
Chief makes mount for every projector out in the market. They make specific ones that only works with one or two projectors and they make a Universal mount that works with most projectors.
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post #505 of 551
7/7/11 at 9:18am
hey guys,
any comments regarding buzzing glasses? please, somebody test your glasses if the lenses make any sound...
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post #506 of 551
7/7/11 at 1:21pm
I haven't heard buzzing on any of my glasses. I have tried a dozen glasses.
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post #507 of 551
7/7/11 at 2:21pm
i've never heard the buzzing problem......

Benito
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post #508 of 551
7/9/11 at 7:25am
I had my Sharp professionally calibrated this week. The calibrator was amazed at the picture quality of this projector. Grey scale was impressive and shadow detail superb according to him. He even like the blacks. 3d blew him away. He has yet to see any projector as good at 3d and that includes the JVC's. The calibration made a notable difference and I continue to love this projector. If you can get around the limited placement try it, you won't be disappointed.
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post #509 of 551
7/9/11 at 1:26pm
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Originally Posted by HiFiFun
From Home Theater Magazine May 4, 2011
Reader Question:
"I'm in the market for a 3D projector, and I'm considering the Sony VPL-VW90ES, JVC DLA-X9, Sharp XV-Z17000, Mitsubishi HC9000, and Samsung SP-A8000. Which would you recommend? Can I use the Samsung 3D glasses with all of them, or would I have to purchase the same brand?"
Jim Morige

Scott Wilkinson's reply:
"We haven't reviewed the JVC DLA-X9, but Tom Norton reviewed the Sony VW90ES (pictured above) in the May 2011 issue of Home Theater, which also includes a review of the DLA-X3 by Kris Deering and the DLA-X7 by Shane Buettner. Also, Tom is working on the Sharp XV-Z17000 for the August issue, and he has used the X3 for several weeks. Of the three Tom has worked with directly, he likes the Sony best, though the JVC is pretty close. He reports that the Sharp is more limited in its controls, but he hasn't calibrated it yet.

We haven't seen the Mitsubishi or Samsung except at trade shows. Under those less-than-ideal conditions, the Mitsubishi looked very dim with lots of artifacts, but that could have been a prototype issue. The Samsung looked very good, but according to the company's PR agency, it is not scheduled to be released in the US. In my view, it's a toss-up between the Sony and JVC, with the Sony getting a slight edge from Tom."
http://www.ultimateavmag.com/content/3d-projectors

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Home Theater Magazine Senior reviewer Tom Norton gave the $10K Sony 90ES 3D his highest rating (5 stars & Top-Pick) even thought the he complains its too dim and has ghosting.
I've received the August 2011 issue and guess what: there is no promised Sharp 17000 review!
Now why could that be? Everyone knows the Sharp has the brightest, widest dynamic range, artifact free, with ZERO ghosting 3D.
Go figure.
http://www.hometheater.com/content/s...ojector-page-3
I love the sharps 3d picture adjust, but still I want the es
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post #510 of 551
7/9/11 at 4:55pm
The other day, I saw Transformers in 3D, and was being COMPLETELY underwhelmed by the presentation - thanks simply to the theatre's projector brightness (or rather, dimness).

A couple of months ago, I tested out the JVC X3 and X9 (in high lamp mode - with a high gain screen). Again, I was completely underwhelmed by the the brightness loss in 3D.

Lesson learnt:
I wouldn't spend a dollar on a 3D pj that isn't searingly bright. End of story.



I currently own a Sony SXRD (VW10). My previous projector's have all been DLP. The next one may well be 3D, but without a shadow of a doubt - it'll be DLP.

I haven't seen the Sharp yet, but knowing the edge that DLPs have with brightness and native ANSI contrast, I wouldn't doubt that it's the best of the current crop.

That said, if I were tossing up between the models mentioned above, and with that sort of money to spend... I would WAIT!!!

There'll be some new announcements in the next couple of months, including the Benq W7000. If it can match the W6000's brightness (around 2000 lumen), then it will likely put to shame anything on offer at the moment.
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