The "Official" Denon AVR-4311CI/AVR-A100 thread [NO PRICE TALK] - Page 415

Originally Posted by cavchameleon

Just an updated on those with the A100 wanting Airplay. If you want Airplay (Denon is still charging the fee for the upgrade on this, not the 4311 - free in that case), all you need to do is email them and ask for a free upgrade. I did that and they set up the upgrade from their end at no charge (they just need you upgrade ID, MAC address, and the Ser#.

Originally Posted by HDMatrix

JD,

Reset and ran auto setup and sound is now good. In the process I lost the on screen display for remote volume, menu etc. How is that enabled? Thanks for your help. This thing is a little overwhelming coming from a 3803.

Originally Posted by jdsmoothie

Do you have any sources connected directly to the TV? If not, and HDMI Audio Out is set to the default of "AMP", there's no audio going to the TV. Simply connect an analog cable from the source device (in addition to HDMI) to the AVR and connect the headphone transmitter to the AVR's DVR Out jack.

Originally Posted by swilson317

What exactly is Audio Out switching between AMP and TV? If the sources are plugged into the AVR with HDMI and the TV is plugged into the AVR with HDMI, why isn't both video and audio available a the TV? I'm missing some logic here.

Now...I think I do understand that audio coming in on HDMI is only available going out on HDMI, so it would make sense to me that I wouldn't have analog audio available on the TV. But I would expect audio on the TV if it's attached to the AVR via HDMI. What am I missing?

Originally Posted by swilson317

What exactly is Audio Out switching between AMP and TV?

If the sources are plugged into the AVR with HDMI and the TV is plugged into the AVR with HDMI, why isn't both video and audio available a the TV? I'm missing some logic here.

Originally Posted by batpig

bottom line, the HDMI audio can either be "stripped" by the AVR and played through the speakers, or passed through to the TV. Not both at the same time, sorry.

Originally Posted by cavchameleon

Just an updated on those with the A100 wanting Airplay. If you want Airplay (Denon is still charging the fee for the upgrade on this, not the 4311 - free in that case), all you need to do is email them and ask for a free upgrade. I did that and they set up the upgrade from their end at no charge (they just need you upgrade ID, MAC address, and the Ser#.

Originally Posted by swilson317

So it seems that the only way to do this, as the other poster mentioned, is to hookup both my BD and Tivo audio to the AVR via RCAs and then hookup the wireless headphone transmitter to the AVR. Sad, as that kind of defeats the benefit of fewer patch cables with HDMI.

Originally Posted by bfreedma

Can you post or PM the email address you used to contact Denon? I've been trying to contact them regarding the A100 Airplay situation but haven't gotten a positive response to date.

Originally Posted by cavchameleon

Hi,

I did the original email in the Denon customer support page (sign in under your Denon account first, or create one if you don't have one).

http://denon.custhelp.com/app/ask

Then once they answer, all emails went though:
Denon Customer Support
using the case number that is created with the original sign in page.

Hope that helps.They were very fast by the way, had it installed the 2nd day.

Originally Posted by goros

Anyone use the 4311 in DSX W/H with rears on for xbox 360 gaming?

Getting a weird reverb that isn't there in the same mode for Bluray and it's echoey across the front soundstage. Feeding it with a toslink, and couldnt find any delay timings that would cause an echo like that.

Switched to standard dts ex and 5.2 and am fine, no echo.

Thoughts?

Originally Posted by goros

Anyone use the 4311 in DSX W/H with rears on for xbox 360 gaming?

Getting a weird reverb that isn't there in the same mode for Bluray and it's echoey across the front soundstage. Feeding it with a toslink, and couldnt find any delay timings that would cause an echo like that.

Switched to standard dts ex and 5.2 and am fine, no echo.

Thoughts?

Originally Posted by goros

Anyone use the 4311 in DSX W/H with rears on for xbox 360 gaming?

Getting a weird reverb that isn't there in the same mode for Bluray and it's echoey across the front soundstage. Feeding it with a toslink, and couldnt find any delay timings that would cause an echo like that.

Switched to standard dts ex and 5.2 and am fine, no echo.

Thoughts?

Originally Posted by batpig

it's not anything that a delay setting would fix, that would be to resolve misalignment between audio and video.

rather, it has to do with the way DSX fundamentally works. What DSX does is generate "fake" reflections to make the space you are in feel much larger and more enveloping than it actually is... so when you are watching a movie, instead of feeling like you are in your living room you feel like you are in a huge movie theater. However, the effect breaks down when the content isn't anchored strongly to the middle of the screen, which it is in movies.... but most certainly is NOT in video games, especially in FPS types where the "focus" of the action or sound effects can pan around you 360-degrees.

so with certain types of content, if the effect feels too "echoey" then you may want to turn DSX off, or try lowering the volume of the W/H speakers using the "soundstage width/height" parameter.

Originally Posted by robc1976

That is good info BP but I must admit I prefer DSX on game and movies....sounds the best to me. I am going to try yopur suggestions though, might improve it more. Would room treatments effect the way DSX sounds also possibly? I just noticed the OP said with "rears" I do not like rear speakers...I went with wides/heights. rear speakers (S.back) are almost pointless in my opinion.

Anyone use the 4311 in DSX W/H with rears on for xbox 360 gaming?

Originally Posted by S_rangeBrew

Room treatments effect ANY speaker/EQ setup. I wouldn't let DSX have *any* weight in my decision on how to acoustically treat my room. If the room treatments help with two speakers, they will help with 13 speakers!

If you are gaming, rear speakers are NOT pointless. They have saved my butt many times in Battlefield: BC2 on the Xbox360. For an easy to replicate example...take a ride on the back of a 4 wheeler in that game.... all the engine sounds are coming from the rear surrounds.

Originally Posted by robc1976

I know that, My room is already treated and was stating that to say maybe that is why mine sounds good or better. I know the exact scene you are refering to, and it sound awesome with my surround....but mine are not at the direct sides they are at 110 degrees 10 ft down the side wall. If I had to pick between side surrounds and Rear surrounds it would be a easy choice of side surrounds.

Also IMHO you shouldn't be able to pinpoint where the sound is coming from exactly, it should just be in the backround.

Originally Posted by S_rangeBrew

I went with a 90 degree side surround and rear surround setup. I agree that all the surrounds (side and rear) should just generally be ambiance. Actually, Audyssey seems to agree on that point, as DSX has been measured to reduce the effect of the side and rear surrounds and bump up the front stage.

However, I still stand by my observation that some games have sounds that show up discretely on the rear surrounds, and there ARE a few movies that have non-matrixed rear sound effects. So, IMHO, if you are going to have 9 speakers, why not go full-boat and have 11? If you don't have the rear surrounds, you ARE going to be missing something, however small, every so often. That would piss me off after spending this amount of money.

Originally Posted by S_rangeBrew

DSX has been measured to reduce the effect of the side and rear surrounds and bump up the front stage.

Originally Posted by goros

It was pretty weird.

See, I went from a 7.1 setup on my 707 and then 40.2 to the 11.2 of the 4311. I used Audyssey DSX on the 707 and 40.2 exclusively, in Wide, without any echo at all, ever.

The only time I get the echo is when stuff is happening at 0 degrees on the screen, directly in front of me. It's about 1/3 to 1/2 second delay in audio from the main speakers and surrounds to the heights and wides - and when I switched to just wides it was still there.

This kinda bums me out because I loved playing in DSX Wide on the Onkyo & Integra (sans echo), but if I can't make it work without the weird echo, it is what it is. It's just really weird that that delay is so noticeable.

Just for the record, my system is:
4311CI
XPA-5
UPA-2 x3
Klipsch Sub-12 x2
LCR's x7 (80hz) W, L C R, RS
ERD-1's x4 (90hz) S (Dipole), H (Bipole)
Bravia 52Z5100 LCD
BDP-S560
Xbox 360
HTPC

The room (my living room) is only 13x18, but has an entirely open back to my kitchen. My Rear Surrounds (LCRs) are suspended from the ceiling at 160 degrees and angled down towards the LP. Side surrounds (Dipole) are 24" above the LP ear height, and at around 110 degrees, but flush mounted to the wall. The Wides are at 60 degrees on the nose, and standing on a built in bookcase shelf. The Heights (Bipole) are flush mounted on the front wall 2" off the ceiling. LCR around the TV.

Thanks for the ideas guys. I'll keep messing around.

Originally Posted by robc1976

I wonder if the Heights (Bipole) are acusing this??? It is not reccomended to have bipole for heights....not saying they arn't good speakers just going by what "chris" has stated.

Originally Posted by goros

I turned the heights off, as well turned the matrix rears. Still did it. The bipoles are amazing for heights off bluray for movies. As in flawless.

Atlantic makes bipoles designed for heights specifically, its why I did it. Minor effects with wide dispersion.