The "Official" Denon AVR-4311CI/AVR-A100 thread [NO PRICE TALK] - Page 420

The 4311ci has a sticker on it that say's "Windows 7 compatible" and I can report that it is! As long as you have file sharing turned on, the 4311 will be able to play all the music files and playlists. I also use Windows "Play To" feature to push music to the Denon, I guess that's Microsoft's version of AirPlay.



Yes, the Denon will automatically get a dynamic IP address from your router. The web interface on the Denon is a nice feature, it's fun to just sit at my computer or phone and control the music from anywhere in the house without having to turn on the TV.


My refurb (manufacture date: 11/2010) needed a firmware update. I also had to install the AirPlay upgrade by going to the Denon website. Both were easy and free.

Wonderful receiver. No complaints. Only praise.

Auto lip sync looks at the delay in the display (which is a flag in the EDID information) ad then applies that delay in the AVR.

On HD broadcasts (1080i, I.e. broadcast, satellite, etc.) one frame of picture is around 33msec long.

It is much more common, if there is an error in the source, for it to be delayed, and the audio advanced.

Because of this, I would leave this feature off for and manually adjust for my display (and most displays should have a very low latency.) and sources.

Just my .02.

As a side note, I've only found one AVR that allows an advance of the sound (my new Onkyo 5009, which allows for 40msec of advance and a large 800 msec of delay.).

For the Definitive towers, just run your speaker wire to the top posts. If you are not running a sub with them set them to large. The crossovers in the speakers will seperate the bass to the built in subs. When you run Audessey it will more than likely set your towers to large.

MY Denon is on its way. Woohoo!

"Denon Avr-4311ci", "Airplay", "Android Tablet" ???

Dare I utter those three words in the same sentence?

No. Auto lip sync simply looks at the EDID flag for the displays latency, which is by the manufacturer, and applies said delay in AVR. Because sources tend to be late to picture, an advance is usually what is needed.

I set manually and go from there.

As a side note, there is only on AVR I have found that allows you to advance the sound to picture (the new Onkyo 5009, which I currently own.). I suspect that they are able to implement this due to an inherent delay in the video processing of the AVR or that there is a buffer when decoding the HDMI stream and it simply compensates there. Inquiring minds really want to know how they are doing it. But it is great to have. .

Fantastic. Sounds like an easy solution. Thanks

Cool, time travel sneaks into the marketplace in a consumer audio product

seosg - I have Mirage OM-6 "omnipolar" speakers with subs built in - Auto setup worked great for me.

Anyone mind explaining what the auto lip sync function does? Like does it try to correct real time or something?

I answered you 4 posts up.

I have been looking for that feature for a long time. So many audio processing algorithms add latency, and then there is the odd content where the audio is already late.

I think you are on the right track with the HDMI buffer. But rather than simply taking advantage of some form of inherent HDMI latency, they may have deliberately "lied" (offset) the PTS data so as to bias the audio to come in advance of the video. Then built that amount of audio delay into their AVR to establish the zero starting point, from which the delay can then be reduced.

Doh - missed it! Thanks

I thought presentation time stamps were part of the mpeg data stream not HDMI.

Hi guys,

I thought I asked this but I guess I didn't. What type of amp would I need if I wanted to run 11.1? I saw the onkyo m-282 and I thought it looked good.

What do you guys suggest?

You can definitely give this config a try and see if you are happy with the results. I ended up going with something a bit more complicated which I lay out in this post:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...8#post20729558

I'm using Def Tech 8080s as the fronts as well as an SVS sub. So I split one of the sub outs to the 8080s and use the second just for the SVS. It takes some work to correctly balance the sub output from the powered 8080s (using the knob on the back of each). I found that I had to use some attenuators (-6 db) to help get things correctly balanced. I'm very happy with the results. Let us know how it turns out for you.

The type with at least 2 channels.

Yes, I figured that much out. What do you suggest?

As batpig implied almost anything will do, it need not be fancy or powerful if using it for surr rears, which get little content. So yes that one would work fine. Does everything sound clean and dynamic when cranked up? If not, then consider using that amp or the Emotiva UPA2 (under $300 on clearance) to drive FR/L and take more load off the Denon power transformer.

tsk tsk... The first two channels of external amplification for 11ch mode must be used for either f.height or the fr/fl mains.

To the OP: some details would be mighty helpful when seeking a recommendation: how big is the room? What speakers to you have? How loud do you listen? What is your budget? Wasn't trying to be a dick, just your question was far too vague to elicit an accurate response.

How would/does the Yamaha RX-A3000 stack up with the Denon 4311? Newegg has it's black Friday priced new less then what it is used on Amazon.

I have paradigm speakers all the way around. (v2) Rears and wide front are mini monitors. I havent bought the height channels yet mainly because it has been very difficult to find a speaker that will match well. I am told a micro monitor will be a good match.

The room is about 16 x25. It's a bonus room.

I listen loud enough thatmy wife says to turn it down, but I would say outrageously loud. I am not used to the denon yet so I am not sure of the db levels off the top of my head.

I thought the m-282 would be a good solution because you can find them used for a very low price and they are only powering small speakers.

Hope that was a better description

Has anybody gotten the Windows 7/WMP "Play To" feature to work with the 4311?

My 4311 can see my PC (and can play tracks), but when I hit "Play To" from the WMP side, I don't get any audio. They definitely seem to connect from what I see on WIndows - the track starts playing, but I don't get any audio.

Do I need to set my "Source Select" to something special?

Thanks!

PS - Here's a page that describes the functionality: http://www.windows7news.com/2010/03/...ay-to-support/)

Can you PM me a link as to what you are talking about?

EDIT: I guess you are referring to the Yamaha..and not the Denon when you make this reference?

Yes I was. I was still on my first cup of coffee, sorry about that.

Thnxs, bp, I missed that little tidbit in that complex amp assign portion of the OM as I've never ventured beyond 7.2 DSXwides, and probably never will in my current room.

But as there's still not a lot of content in FH I'll stick by my advice to NetViper, that the m-282 would be a good economical solution for FH.

NetViper, I'd be tempted to pop a little more for an Emo UPA2 (or even XPA3!), if I'm buying an amp. There's a big Emo Black Fri sale tomorrow. I'd use it to power front speakers and thus take some load off the power transformer in the AVR which will then effortlessly power the rest of the channels.

so bp, did I pass the amp assign quiz below?

Penny wise and pound foolish IMO. The Yam stacks up poorly as it does not have MultEQXT32, the best consumer DSP RC anywhere near this price range.

I am a noobie on an external amp. If I use the emo for the fronts then I can use the denon to do the front heights?

^ yes, I think I get it now, see OM p64 step 4, set it to 11 ch, then in step 6 Set it to Front. This makes the F Heights AVR speaker outputs (labelled F Heights) hot so connect the FH speakers there. Connect the FR/L preouts to your ext amp. Then, if using a 3 ch amp, just use the CC preamp output to connect to the third ch of the Ext amp.

Yeah my thought was it's half the cost right now but I think I'll just hold off and wait until I see a good price for the 4311.

The 4311 has been price stable for a while now, and with the replacement not due for some time, it probably won't be heavily discounted until closer to the next generation's release date. If you haven't yet, call the AVS sales rep (or your preferred source) for a price - frequently, the discounts available by phone are significantly better than what you see on the web.