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post #12601 of 21945
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Originally Posted by nevea2be View Post

Yeah my thought was it's half the cost right now but I think I'll just hold off and wait until I see a good price for the 4311.

Yeah, shoot for the "sweet spot" not the cheap spot.
Only buy from authorized esellers! Many have found one NIB for $1.5K or so, and within the past few weeks there were price matches for less because of one dealer's weekend promotion. Happy hunting.
post #12602 of 21945
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Originally Posted by SoundofMind View Post

Yeah, shoot for the "sweet spot" not the cheap spot.
Only buy from authorized esellers! Many have found one NIB for $1.5K or so, and within the past few weeks there were price matches for less because of one dealer's weekend promotion. Happy hunting.

Yeah hoping I might get lucky and see something pop up here on Black Friday but not holding my breath. Don't really have the time or the rest of my speakers to play with a new setup but I just don't want to have another good deal pass me by either.
post #12603 of 21945
All,

I'm enjoying my newly arrived 4311, and slowly working my way through this thread from the beginning. Batpig's guide has been a tremendous help.

One thing I'd like help on that I haven't quite found yet is what I need to do to hook my 4311 up to my wireless router upstairs. I've got no way to hardwire it in (although I know to do this for firmware updates with a super long cable.) I'm really just trying to get it on the network so we can use Pandora, so the cheapest wireless bridge is what I'm after. Can anyone recommend one?

I'm not a gamer, and our blu-ray (Panny 210) has wi-fi built in. So literally the only thing that will get plugged into the bridge is the receiver.

Really excited to get this going. The last receiver I had was a B&K AVR202 that deep sixed itself about a year and half ago, and I've been receiver-less since then. Right now I'm in heaven, even with only a 5.0 system. For right now.

Thanks in advance for any help!
post #12604 of 21945
I have a question regarding volume level on my HT. My setup is as follows.

Receiver:4311ci
Front:Polk RtiA7s
center csiA4
Rhythmik sub

It seems the volume level is low. I have to turn the volume up almost midway to like -32db to be able to listen to at just normal levels. Does full volume mean only high as 4 or 5 db ? Heres some of my config
Audssey settings:
Refernce level offset: 0db
Channel level : front Left --2.0db, Front Right - -1.0db, Center: -1.0db
crossover:80hz
Also I seem to hear very little from the front speakers. most of the sound is coming from the center speaker. Can anyone recommend if something might be wrong or I'm just not used to a HT before.
post #12605 of 21945
rscecil007, pick up a Wireless Gaming Adaptor. You may find it helpful to use the same brand as your wireless router.

netjumper - the volume control being silent to -32 is normal. For the center vs fronts - that's normal for many types of programming. What happens if you play a BD like Star Wars or my favorite music BD, Joe Bonamassa at the Royal Albert Hall (or another good music blu-ray disc)?
post #12606 of 21945
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Originally Posted by netjumper View Post

I have a question regarding volume level on my HT. My setup is as follows.

Receiver:4311ci
Front:Polk RtiA7s
center csiA4
Rhythmik sub

It seems the volume level is low. I have to turn the volume up almost midway to like -32db to be able to listen to at just normal levels. Does full volume mean only high as 4 or 5 db ? Heres some of my config
Audssey settings:
Refernce level offset: 0db
Channel level : front Left --2.0db, Front Right - -1.0db, Center: -1.0db
crossover:80hz
Also I seem to hear very little from the front speakers. most of the sound is coming from the center speaker. Can anyone recommend if something might be wrong or I'm just not used to a HT before.

your settings are ok....

your volume knob setting is "normal"... the volume display is logarthmic, not linear (i.e. it mimics how the decibel scale works)... if you are at -32 you have a LOT of steam left... feel free to keep turning the knob...

if you are watching dialog heavy material, that wouldn't be surprising...
post #12607 of 21945
Thanx for the help. is there a particular setting i should limit my volume to without damaging any speakers ? I noticed there was a volume limit in one of the options.
post #12608 of 21945
Hi - I bi-amp'd my front L/R Mirage OM-6 speakers yesterday. My wife noticed a difference in a "blind" test.

I found the audio fuller and more detailed. Of course, your mileage may vary
post #12609 of 21945
@netjumper...

you got it...

i generally set the volume limiter to 0db... more to protect my ears than the speakers... just in case the cat steps on the "volume up" on the remote...
post #12610 of 21945
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Originally Posted by wilbur_the_goose View Post

rscecil007, pick up a Wireless Gaming Adaptor. You may find it helpful to use the same brand as your wireless router.

Great, thanks. So would something like this work ok?

adapter on amazon
post #12611 of 21945
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Originally Posted by rscecil007 View Post

Great, thanks. So would something like this work ok?

adapter on amazon

Yes, that should work. The package deal on that link with the 5 port switch would allow you to connect more than one device through the wireless bridge if you needed.

The reason I said "should" rather than "would" is that wireless bridges can be finicky - the 802.x wireless standards aren't always implemented correctly, so sometimes integrating a gaming adapter/wireless bridge from Company X with a wireless router from Company Y doesn't work, or is more complicated than it should be. At the price of the unit in the link, it's probably worth giving a shot, but if you can find a gaming adapter from the same manufacturer as your wifi router at a similar price, I'd go that way.
post #12612 of 21945
very frustrated
First of all, i need to inform you that Denon simply does not do Audyssey justice, their knowledge of Audyssey is ridiculously lacking, and this lack of knowledge is passed on to customers who know even less. i am sorry to say that.
Fortunately i know a little bit.
I a huge fan of Audyssey having been exposed to every MULT EQ version since 2005. I currently own an AVR A100, this of course has MULT EQ XT.
Here's my question: During the Audyssey calibration and the first mic position, even thought i have a taditional 5.1 setup and i did indicate "none" next to the speakers i do not have, Audyssey still checks to see if i in fact have heights and wides. But that’s not the real issue.
Once the set up is complete and the settings are stored, i then go back, as is the recommendation, to the manual settings and change my large speakers to small and adjust the crossover, here’s the real problem, in the “audio setup” of Manual settings, where i can make changes in the 2ch/stereo settings, i like my FL and FR to be large with NO subwoofer. the distances that show up in this section of the manual setup do not reflect the distances that Audyssey has for my 5.1 settings, ie, ( i believe, PARAMETER CHECK ) FL is 11.7 and FR is 12.3. in 2ch/stereo settings, those distances are different and reflect what I believe is a previous calibration.
Denon told me and I quote "you are supposed to REDO Audyssey in 2 channel", I know you are not supposed to redo Audyssey and YOU know you are not supposed to redo Audyssey, but there are many users out there that will heed that advice and in the processs pervert ( yes I said pervert) Audyssey’s genius. This is just the most recent example of their incompetence.

So this is my question, I apologize for the length.

I thank you for your time, and I thank you for Audyssey
post #12613 of 21945
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Originally Posted by PHUELIPH View Post

very frustrated
First of all, i need to inform you that Denon simply does not do Audyssey justice, their knowledge of Audyssey is ridiculously lacking, and this lack of knowledge is passed on to customers who know even less. i am sorry to say that.
Fortunately i know a little bit.
I a huge fan of Audyssey having been exposed to every MULT EQ version since 2005. I currently own an AVR A100, this of course has MULT EQ XT.
Here's my question: During the Audyssey calibration and the first mic position, even thought i have a taditional 5.1 setup and i did indicate "none" next to the speakers i do not have, Audyssey still checks to see if i in fact have heights and wides. But that's not the real issue.
Once the set up is complete and the settings are stored, i then go back, as is the recommendation, to the manual settings and change my large speakers to small and adjust the crossover, here's the real problem, in the "audio setup" of Manual settings, where i can make changes in the 2ch/stereo settings, i like my FL and FR to be large with NO subwoofer. the distances that show up in this section of the manual setup do not reflect the distances that Audyssey has for my 5.1 settings, ie, ( i believe, PARAMETER CHECK ) FL is 11.7 and FR is 12.3. in 2ch/stereo settings, those distances are different and reflect what I believe is a previous calibration.
Denon told me and I quote "you are supposed to REDO Audyssey in 2 channel", I know you are not supposed to redo Audyssey and YOU know you are not supposed to redo Audyssey, but there are many users out there that will heed that advice and in the processs pervert ( yes I said pervert) Audyssey's genius. This is just the most recent example of their incompetence.

So this is my question, I apologize for the length.

I thank you for your time, and I thank you for Audyssey

In the 2 ch setup screen, toggle to "basic", and then back to "custom". Basic sets all the values to the most recent Audyssey defaults, so you should see the correct distances. Custom will allow you to set the LR speakers to large.

Regarding the AVR not remembering that you disabled Wides and Heights, did you press Return or Select after disabling the speakers. One button preserves the changes, and one button discards the changes (I believe Return discards them). You should be able set everything correctly--I am unaware of any bug with the configuration routine.
post #12614 of 21945
^Hi PHUELIPH. Just to clarify, your A100 has MultEQXT32.

You have correctly identified that the advice you were given was totally erroneous. You could of course manually reset the Stereo speaker distances (and I assume that is not why they are currently off). If AJ's suggestions posted above do not clear this up I cannot explain your odd findings but I think they could be indicative of a processor problem. If your current calibration sounds good, I recommend you store it using the Web Control Save, if you have not yet done so. Then do a "reset the microprocesor" procedure (see OM). Then use Web Control Load to restore your calibration so you don't have to redo the mic positions and all your other custom settings. Then recheck your Stereo settings to see if they are accurate.
post #12615 of 21945
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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post

In the 2 ch setup screen, toggle to "basic", and then back to "custom". Basic sets all the values to the most recent Audyssey defaults, so you should see the correct distances. Custom will allow you to set the LR speakers to large.

Regarding the AVR not remembering that you disabled Wides and Heights, did you press Return or Select after disabling the speakers. One button preserves the changes, and one button discards the changes (I believe Return discards them). You should be able set everything correctly--I am unaware of any bug with the configuration routine.

Thank you for your effort AustinJerry, i did try the "toggle" and noticed that the values were different, but even then, only if set to small/w sub, toggleing back did NOT change the values, they were closer to the recent calibration, but not exact. i will definitly use the Return/Select during my next calibration, should i see the necessity.
but thank you
post #12616 of 21945
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Originally Posted by SoundofMind View Post

^Hi PHUELIPH. Just to clarify, your A100 has MultEQXT32.

You have correctly identified that the advice you were given was totally erroneous. You could of course manually reset the Stereo speaker distances (and I assume that is not why they are currently off). If AJ's suggestions posted above do not clear this up I cannot explain your odd findings but I think they could be indicative of a processor problem. If your current calibration sounds good, I recommend you store it using the Web Control Save, if you have not yet done so. Then do a "reset the microprocesor" procedure (see OM). Then use Web Control Load to restore your calibration so you don't have to redo the mic positions and all your other custom settings. Then recheck your Stereo settings to see if they are accurate.

thank you soundofmind

you are correct, and thank you for pointing that out, i did forget the all important 32, much better than plain old XT.
i did reset the microprocesor and maually restored all my settings. i did try to manually input the correct values, it dose not allow to change the fractions, eg, .7 to .3 only 11 feet to any other whole value.

thanks again.
post #12617 of 21945
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Originally Posted by PHUELIPH View Post

i did try to manually input the correct values, it dose not allow to change the fractions, eg, .7 to .3 only 11 feet to any other whole value.

thanks again.

The very first option available when you are setting distances is the step. Make sure you set it to step in 0.1ft increments.
post #12618 of 21945
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Originally Posted by duc135 View Post

The very first option available when you are setting distances is the step. Make sure you set it to step in 0.1ft increments.

You shall forever be known as Mr. duc135.

your instruction worked.

thank your Mr. duc135
post #12619 of 21945
HI - Audessy question. Sorry if it's been asked previously.

I have really strange EQ curves on my F/L speakers (powered Mirage OM-6). But the audio quality sounds awesome. Should I care about the EQ curves, or just enjoy the great sound?
post #12620 of 21945
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Originally Posted by wilbur_the_goose View Post

HI - Audessy question. Sorry if it's been asked previously.

I have really strange EQ curves on my F/L speakers (powered Mirage OM-6). But the audio quality sounds awesome. Should I care about the EQ curves, or just enjoy the great sound?

First, the EQ graphs in the receiver are very crude representation of what is actually happening.

Second with a speaker with a unique dispersion pattern like your mirage design it's not unusual to see strange frequency response correction. I wouldn't worry about it.
post #12621 of 21945
Thank you!
post #12622 of 21945
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Originally Posted by wilbur_the_goose View Post

Has anybody gotten the Windows 7/WMP "Play To" feature to work with the 4311?

Do I need to set my "Source Select" to something special?

Hi Mr. The_Goose,

Thanks for the link to "Denon hardware gets Windows 7 'play to' support."

Play To works fine streaming WMA files with my 4311. I used Windows Media Player to rip the WMA files.

I've found no need to set the source at the Denon. Just right-click a media file (or folder of files) on my PC, choose Play To, then select the Denon 4311. The Play To dialog opens with the list of media files. It takes about 15 seconds for the first file to start playing. My Denon switches the source to NET\\USB automatically.

I have, however, noticed problems playing files that were not ripped using Windows Media Player.

Here is a link to a Microsoft page about 'Play To.' Maybe it will help with your setup...

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/w...atures/play-to
post #12623 of 21945
Here is an additional observation about Windows 7 Play To...
I have noticed problems playing files that are not located on the C: drive. This includes files located in the Windows Shared Folders (ex MyMusic, MyPhotos, MyVideo).
post #12624 of 21945
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Originally Posted by PHUELIPH View Post

... in the audio setup of Manual settings, where i can make changes in the 2ch/stereo settings, i like my FL and FR to be large with NO subwoofer. the distances that show up in this section of the manual setup do not reflect the distances that Audyssey has for my 5.1 settings,..

I'm glad it's solved, another harmless tempest in a teapot.

One last note-2.0 Stereo can be very simple irt this matter of distance (acoustic distance, which is really delay). With no sub and with MLP equidistant from FR/L as it should be (ideally actually forming an equilateral triangle), the exact distance setting really makes no difference at all. In this case you can set the distance to any amount you want (for ex., 10, 10.2 or 10.5') as long as it is equal for both FR and FL.

Of course for 2.1 with a sub involved, then the finely tuned Audyssey settings for distance are crucial to align the 3 sources and take into account any added delay inherent to the sub's electronics. Typically the sub's acoustic "distance" is greater than the physical measurement.
post #12625 of 21945
Thanks for the "play to" info - it's up and running now.
post #12626 of 21945
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Originally Posted by SoundofMind View Post

I'm glad it's solved, another harmless tempest in a teapot.

One last note-2.0 Stereo can be very simple irt this matter of distance (acoustic distance, which is really delay). With no sub and with MLP equidistant from FR/L as it should be (ideally actually forming an equilateral triangle), the exact distance setting really makes no difference at all. In this case you can set the distance to any amount you want (for ex., 10, 10.2 or 10.5') as long as it is equal for both FR and FL.

Of course for 2.1 with a sub involved, then the finely tuned Audyssey settings for distance are crucial to align the 3 sources and take into account any added delay inherent to the sub's electronics. Typically the sub's acoustic "distance" is greater than the physical measurement.

mmmm, i like it. thank you.
post #12627 of 21945
Hey guys I have a question. I have been con fussed by this for a while and I'm sure you have already answered this in this thread but I'm having no luck finding it.

Why does the owners manual on page 56 as showing the amp being able to do 11.2 fully powered? Yet on page 61 it shows that you have to use a separate amp?

I understand the amp only has 9 channels but what im trying to figure out is how does the system work when I run 9.2 and a second zone. The amp OSD shows that this option can be done and I have selected it but will this mean the second zone speakers will only run when I'm not using zone 1? I don't have the zone 2 speaker to test this currently so would love to know how it will function. Thanks guys
post #12628 of 21945
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Originally Posted by rscecil007 View Post

All,

I'm enjoying my newly arrived 4311, and slowly working my way through this thread from the beginning. Batpig's guide has been a tremendous help.

Thanks in advance for any help!

OK, so I'm about to take the plunge with this receiver. I saw in the quote above that Batpig has produced a "guide" of sorts? Could anybody please link me to that as this thread is over 400 pages!

I've chosen this receiver because it comes with MultEQXT32. It seems a little better than the Onkyo 3008 as the one button switching between modes will be good for my wife, I can biamp my front speakers (I'll be using a 5.0 config, my front speakers are VMPS with deep base response), and it's got HDRadio, which I'm really fond of in my car.

But....I'm real hesitant to go for it cause we've only got about 6wks before a new model line up is announced. Does anyone have any idea what the new replacement model may offer that the 4311 doesn't? Or if XT32 will be offered in a lower model?

Thanks
post #12629 of 21945
dcrandon - Don't wait. I got mine last week and we LOVE it.
post #12630 of 21945
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Originally Posted by bfreedma View Post

Yes, that should work. The package deal on that link with the 5 port switch would allow you to connect more than one device through the wireless bridge if you needed.

The reason I said "should" rather than "would" is that wireless bridges can be finicky - the 802.x wireless standards aren't always implemented correctly, so sometimes integrating a gaming adapter/wireless bridge from Company X with a wireless router from Company Y doesn't work, or is more complicated than it should be. At the price of the unit in the link, it's probably worth giving a shot, but if you can find a gaming adapter from the same manufacturer as your wifi router at a similar price, I'd go that way.

Thanks for the help. I'm going to order that cheaper one and give it a try. Our main router is a Cisco/Linksys, and their similar gaming adapter is 4x as much as the one on Newegg. Fingers crossed it works!
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