The "Official" Denon AVR-4311CI/AVR-A100 thread [NO PRICE TALK] - Page 446

Ha. This is funny. Can you copy/paste it here to the list please?

For those of you streaming music through your 4311 what format and software are you using? I'm seeing people leaning more towards flac then apple lossless for ripping Cd's to a lossless format and was wondering if people are playing both or if it's better to rip songs to flac back it up on storage then convert to apple lossless to use through iTunes or Air Play?

Well until it is.......it's still a easy one

i use itunes and alac...

it's pointless to rip to flac and then convert flac to alac...

mp3's and I'm using a DLNA server off my NAS. Other than the occasional skipping I mentioned a few notes back it works great. The skipping is a denon issue because if I power cycle the receiver it goes away for a long time.

Never bought the airplay addon because I have an atv2 attached that I can use if I want to use it that way. Did Denon ever "fix" the problem where airplay hijacks the main zone?

steve

^^^

nope, they didn't... it's the same in this year's models...

I rip all my cds using Apple Lossless. I then use iPods and Airplay for listening.

Listen closely because you are not getting this. NEWEGG IS NOT AUTHORIZED AND DENON WILL NOT WARRANTY THE AMP IF YOUR SALES ORDER SHOWS NEWEGG. I know you do not to believe this but this is simply the truth. I know because I called for support and went all the way up the chain. Fortunately I was taken care of but had I not been within 30 days my post would be about the repair cost out of pocket. If people want to risk it then by all means I am sure there are exceptions to the rules and in my instance Neweggs return policy but it just seems like blind ignorance pushing Demon as not having updated their site when clearly Newegg would be one of the first listed behind Amazon. A retailer is not going to miss this or would fix in a hurry.

Do we know definitively what is going on when iTunes plays a 24bit Apple Lossless file via Airplay on the 4311? Is a 16bit version being played?

Folks: Newegg has issued a RMA with full refund, this was obviously done without Amex's intervention because there is no possible way amex could have influenced newegg's decision in just one day (As far as I know credit card companies send their card member disputes to merchants in writing). I stand behind my previous statement about newegg being the most trusted vendor behind amazon. I am done writing about my buying experience here, if anyone wants more info, PM me. My new 4311 from a REAL authorized dealer is coming on Wednesday.

Well, as an on-going endeavor yes but if you have your library in FLAC and you're moving to Apple converting everything to ALAC is useful.

On the other hand wireless users might find FLAC via DLNA more network efficient than ALAC via AirPlay.

I suspect it's a bit of a challenge to know. However Denon says "WAV format Quantization bit rate: 16 bits"

What would be the easiest way to play 24bit Apple Lossless files on the 4311?

I don't have any 24-bit ALAC files so I can only speculate that using iTunes via AirPlay would be the simplest.

If I wanted to drive my l/c/r with an external amp, would I leave the amp assign to normal and just use the pre outs for l/c/r from the 4311 to the amp via Rcas? The manual says that if you use the preamp mode - None of the speaker terminals should be used. I may be missing something so thought I would check.

Thanks

AirPlay.... But where are you getting 24 bit files?

Correct. Preamp mode is only used when you are using external amps for all speakers.

Thank you. Just use regular Rcas?

Yup.

Just use regular Rcas?

thanks.

Thank you very much.

yes, true...

maybe... dunno... dlna has proven to be not worth the effort for this apple geek...

If I use an external amp for my l/c/r channels, do I need to rerun setup? I assume sub still connected directly to receiver but wanted to confirm.

Thanks

I have an HDCD and I ripped it to Flac and converted to Apple Lossless. I am just curious how I play the files on my 4311 knowing that it is definitely playing the file as is.

HDCD isn't 24 bit.

If you've ripped it and then unconverted it to 24 bit PCM, I would just use iTunes to re-rip it as ALL.

I can confirm that Airplay does use ALL (where the decoding takes place I don't know), as I've tried it with DTS-CD rips from my iTunes library and it works just fine.

The 4311 may actually detect the HDCD stream via Airplay... you'll have to let us know.

I think there is an HDCD indicator on the 4311.

Methinks you're right.

Yes, to assure proper channel balance rerun autosetup after hooking up your ext amp. A powered sub stays connected to the AVR sub preout. The surround speaker wires stay connected to the AVR speaker posts.

As to RCA cords, don't use the "throw away" red and white freebies. Get some decent (not fancy, not expensive) ones, as short as is practical for your rack, from monoprice (forum sponsor, see link above) so you don't pick up noise.

Thank you - will get some Rcas from mono. I am set - will report back after I have it set up.

I know it isn't 24bit. It is 20bit (with dbpoweramp doing something to make it say 24bit). --> http://dbpoweramp.com/cd-ripper-setup-guide.htm

By "ALL" are you referring to the Apple Lossless codec? If so, that is how I originally ripped the CD, but the rips were showing 16bit (like a regular CD) and not 20bit. I then found out that dbpoweramp can rip the 20bit versions using a DSP add-on. I was curious about whether it sounded any different and that is where I am at now... trying to figure out a way to hear the 20bit versions on my 4311.

By using dbpoweramp, ripping to FLAC with the HDCD add-on, and then converting to ALAC the HDCD indicator does light up the front display. Not sure if it means that is playing the 20bit version or a converted 16bit version though...