The "Official" Denon AVR-4311CI/AVR-A100 thread [NO PRICE TALK] - Page 511

are you using the "audyssey" or the "audyssey flat" curve? if using flat, don't...

what it says on the volume scale isn't relevant... if not loud enough, keep turning the volume knob to the right...

as a previous av7005 owner, if you loved the "musical" sound of the 6005, then you definitely have setup issues with the 4311...

Uhhh ho.... I thought I had made up my mind... maybe not now.

Honestly... I'm scratching my head to think what wrong did I do in the setup.
I'll give it another shot... oh boy... all the wiring and unwiring.

I was using "Audyssey" curve only (not flat).
Also, I took all 8 measurements.

Let me give it another shot.

If you have any other idea in terms of what did I do wrong, pls let me know. THX.

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i'm thinking about it... gotta be something funky going on somewhere... because your results (which i'm not doubting, btw) are kinda odd...

I forget turmoil how did you setup for Audyssey. Mic stand? Make sure room is dead silent. Turn off everything. I unplug fridge, Grandfather clock on silent turn off furnace, hot water fountain/cooler unplug. Good luck

Did you use a tripod? Was it high enough? Were measurements taken too close to walls? Furniture in the way? Was there external noise, like kids or HVAC? These are issues/mistakes I made/dealt with at first and once I got better at taking measurements, Audyssey worked wonders for my setup.

Thanks folks...
I used a tripod and placed it on the sofa.
This time i will place it on the floor.

Will report later on this when done.

We feel your pain! I do love banana plugs!...

I use to use just a tri-pod. I went out and purchased a cheap mic boom. That way you can leave in one place and just swing the boom. Really does help

Im a huge fan of the looks of them. The power isnt a huge deal for me, right now yes, but hoping in 4-5 month to get an external amp.

Also, is the biggest selling feature of this amp the Audyssey xt32? What is so good about it, other then the 2 sub eq. I dont have 2 subs, or plan on it. so is it even that beneficial to me?

I have banana plugs as well... but have not labeled the wires... LOL!!!!

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it was for me... and it wasn't a disappointment... i sold an av7005/bryston combination to buy this...

but then again, i have dual subs... however, even those with a single sub will appreciate the difference, judging from commentary from "people i trust" (and getting on that particular list isn't easy)...

all of the avrs in question should drive your 'digms... i know the 4311 drives a more difficult load in my room...

yup... i set mine up on the boom, and tuck in underneath the recliners (i measure with them in their standard "reclined position"), and simply reach up and slide the boom across the couch...

ditch the tripod, I found it made a mess of my calibration (XT32 is very sensitive), I used a Mic-boom stand with camera-adaptor instead (stand placed behind the couch with boom extending into the zone to be measured) and the difference was night and day!

do you feel the 4311 was a step forward (minus dual sub eq) from the 7005/bryston.

im looking to do avr, and down the road xpa 3.

I use DEQ ON to add fidelity to the soundtrack for film when listening below reference levels. It was designed for film mixing standards and most folks don't tweak it for film as it works so well. It even adjusts itself so I just leave it on for film all the time, even if I have the MV cranked up. A few, including FilmMixer, like RLO=5 to tone down surrounds on film.

If you're gonna use DEQ to improve the sound quality at lower listening levels for non-film sources, the effect needs to be decreased as those are not mixed to the film standard, or really to any standard. For music or TV, use RLO=10 or 15 to tone down the bass. For MC music, I usually DEQ it off or I may have to use the fader control (at the bottom of the ch level screen) to bring down the surround levels to those intended by the mixer. Same thing for gaming, or so I've heard.

DVol reduces dynamics. So DVol is Off for full-on reference film and music listening. At your preference you can use it to trim the peaks and bring up the soft parts in a movie automatically, essentially so you don't have to use the remote to turn up the soft parts and turn down the loud parts. I often use Eve setting for that. Like most folks, I use that same Eve setting for TV to tame the commercials. Midnight setting really squashes the dynamics. I use that to keep background dinner party music at the same volume. Some use it to keep the sound from getting loud and disturbing folks who are asleep.

i can't make that comparison, sorry...

i would make the swap all over again though... objectively and subjectively (a place where i rarely go, fwiw), there's no comparison in my setup... also, i paid less than half for the a100 than the combo (early adopter of av7005, so i paid full boat, and i bought the bryston for 2k used)...

for what the 4311 streets for right now, it's a rather straightforward decision on what to do...

i would worry about the external amp when it's proven to be needed... ime, the 4311 drives my reasonably difficult to drive speakers without issues...

I have a XPA 3 with my A100. Never did use without it. Had the Emotiva before my A100 purchase. Didn't want to sell it. Eventually though I want to add heights/surrounds for a 9.2/11.2 setup

so realistically spending a little bit more for this (or equal vaule avr) you may not even need external amps. My wallet would be happy to hear that lol.

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yup... i made VERY sure that it would drive my speakers before i sold the bryston...

i wanted to get rid of the separate amp, so that was a big positive... i have enough boxes...

now, if you are attempting to drive 9 not terribly efficient (or a difficult load) speakers to reference levels in a BIG room, that may (or may not) be a different story... of course, if you are trying to do that, you are likely using the wrong tools for the job, and the place to look would be more efficient speakers, not "more power"... for example,keep in mind that there is only 3db difference between 100 and 200 watts...

imo, it is very easy when you read "certain threads" here to be convinced that you "need" more power than you really do...

Here is a post about XT32. Pio guys considering switching to XT32 may find that post useful, as well as folks chosing between a Pio and the 4311.

You may well find another brand/model that suits you better, but the 4311 has a lot going for it and at current prices is a great value. It is 11.2 capable, has 9 nice amps, is Audyssey Pro capable, has DEQ/DVol, has Network Web Control Save/Load, free Airplay and has proven stable FW and reliable HW. I've doubtless left off several other features. See this post, by a guy whose opinion I really respect, irt how the 4311 stacks up to the competition. As to the Marantz 7005, it is simply a shame they didn't equip it with XT32 (which is the reason I don't have one). It is thus obsolete. In addition it is not 11.2 capable, has no ampsf course, and has no Network Web Control Save/Load.

its very hard to choose things when there are so many opinions. But for now i run 5.1 paradigm studios, and later down the road 7.1, so 9 speakers is out for me . Im just having a hard time choosing between denon 4311 and the pioneer sc57. Trying to read up as much as i can on the D class amp. Again both amps are close in price.

thanks for the links, the more i read the more i find the xt32 the "way to go" im hoping the hi/fi store im visiting tomorrow has one in. but again this model is a year or 2 old?

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hey, no one ever said it would be easy...

i know one thing for certain... i have, ummm, encouraged, many of my fellow former pio sc owners to migrate over to a 4311 (including at least one other owner, besides myself, of a susano)...

none of them have come back and told me it was a bad idea...

yes it is... which, given it's still "current technology", is a positive... the unit is stable... a huge selling point for me, as i am highly intolerant of quirkiness (i sold an integra 9.9 after only a couple of months because i couldn't deal with the clicks and quirks)...

well thats another reason i want to get rid of my onkyo. I can cook eggs on it (not anymore, i use fans, but if i could stop using fans that would be a huge plus), clicks during each change from the BD player, and now the HDMI board failure

Just keep in mind (as JD pointed out recently) that big box stores which carry the 4311 probably haven't run XT32. It may sound underwhelming under these conditions.

turrmoil, For what it's worth, I had a Marantz SR7005 and jumped to the 4311. I'm very happy with the move, but that's not to say the Marantz isn't a good unit. It's just that the 4311 is better, IMHO.

yea i know i cant really judge it on sound in a store. So it would be buying blind. But i believe they let you try them out for 30days.

Go for it you will be glad you did