The "Official" Denon AVR-4311CI/AVR-A100 thread [NO PRICE TALK] - Page 533

Originally Posted by ccotenj

^^^

basically you are describing normal behaviour for every avr connected via hdmi...

whenever you make a change in resolution, certain menu settings, etc., the handshake is broken and must be re-established... this will cause the "video drop" that you are seeing...

it is what it is... ime, the 4311 actually handles handshaking relatively quickly compared to previous avrs/pre-pros i've had, although that is also dependent upon the source and sink being used with it...

Originally Posted by Davecraze

I am planning to use four inwall subwoofers with my 4311 - two on each channel of a Crown XLS 2000 Drivecore. My room is rather small at 1900 cubic feet and fuly enclosed. Planning to to put them either in all four corners or in the ceiling at the 1/4 distance from each corner.

I assume that XT32 will ping each sub channel (and thus each pair of subs) individually then ping both channels (all four subs) together?

Thanks for any clarification.

Originally Posted by guillermorb73

Happens (dropout) with Directv & even when the GUI menu is on the screen, just loses signal for about 2-3 seconds then comes back on, only to do it again a little while later during programming.
Many of us avoid the great majority of handshake issues by eliminating the #1source of them, which is cable boxes. Is FW update on the box and setting the output on the box to a single output such as 1080i does not work, then consider eliminating the HDMI->AVR connection. Go either direct to the display via HDMI and take the audio from there to the AVR or run component video and SPDIF (coax or optical) audio from the cable box to the AVR.
...If I upgrade to the new unit what should I do with the 3808 any ideas?
Another system in another room, Craig's list or deserving relative?

Originally Posted by SeattleHTGuy

Totally agree, what you can do is set your cable box to output everything at 1080i or 1080P for some of the new TiVo boxes. I would imagine that up conversion is not going to totally suck at the cable box and the bigger issue is high video signal compression. With my old Tivo's, I set all output to 1080i and problem solved. I blame the cable box over the 4311.

Originally Posted by ccotenj

if you do put it into protection when set to 8, lowering it to 6/4 really won't help... since all you are doing is limiting current without changing the load, it won't produce satisfactory results (and it will go into protection eventually anyway)... unfortunately, there's no way to make the power supply more robust by flipping a switch...

Originally Posted by Stevies3

Contemplating upgrading my 4310 --> 4311 With the 4310 one can choose between Sirius or the XM accessory for satellite radio. I see no mention or input for the XM option on the 4311. Is Sirius the only option for the 4311? As you can decipher I have the XM Direct device (model# XHD2H1)

Originally Posted by batpig

yes, essentially. XT32 w/ SubEQ HT first pings each sub channel individually to set distance & level, and then pings both together during the Audyssey sweeps to create a combined EQ filter for the sub channel.

so, in your case with 4 subs you will want to split them into two "symmetrical" pairs that are equidistant from the AVR. Level or gain match within each pair manually, and then connect both pairs and run Audyssey.

Originally Posted by jdsmoothie

^^
If you're using a button to turn on the AVR/select a source, then you'll need to rememorize that button after making the surround mode change by pressing/holding the button for a few seconds until the display reads "Memorize".

Originally Posted by markabuckley

(2) re Audyssey XT32 calibration and my concern of boosting a lot the 8-20k range (and I still think it sounds over tizzy) - I've borrowed another Denon mic off a friend - so later today or tomorrow - I'll try his mic in same cal positions as I used for current EQ calibration - if drastic difference I know its my mic. If not difference and still lots of upper boost - I'll try moving the mic further away from back of sofa - if not that then obviously my Tannoy tweeters have aged over time !

Originally Posted by jdsmoothie

That's fine as long as the mic is the same DM-A409 (ie. XX09/X89 model or newer).

Originally Posted by photobias

Hi. Where I can get an AVR-A100? Modia went crazy with the price...Thanks!

Originally Posted by Browninggold

Wow for that price I would "consider" selling my A100

Originally Posted by markabuckley

... everything is sounding ok apart from the subwoofer - which sounds WAY overblown ...in fact I need to turn down afterwards about -2.5 to -3dB !!
Be sure DEQ is OFF after calibration for your listening tests.BUT only with Audyssey EQ on - with my custom EQ or flat - it sounds ok at auto-levels

this makes me suspicious that (and obviously you can't see whats going on) - somethings being boosted on the subwoofer
now the only odd thing is my subwoofer makes an odd noise during calibration - you can hear the woop woop but overlaid that you can hear a sort of driver rattle noise - I'm guessing this could be throwing the calibration off ? I've uploaded a video -
Listening to the vid, I hear a few crackly/rattle sounds at the beginning of the chirps. This is not normal.

Originally Posted by guillermorb73

I've got a 4311 coming next week, can someone tell me about this "Pro kit"?

Originally Posted by longbow

...I have noticed when I compare the same music via different inputs that the Toslink is not as clear as the Stereo for the Mini's output.
1. Be sure that they are level-matched with a SPL and
2. verify that the exact same processing is applied to both (DEQ/tone control/Audyssey Std curve, xover, etc)I do not know if this is due to the Stereo vs Toslink or the better DAC's in the DAC Magic Plus vs the Denon's internal DAC's. Can anyone comment on the internal DAC's? Who makes them
highly talented elves

On a side note, the venerable DVD 5900 is awesome for both SACD (via the 7.1 inputs) in either stereo or surround and the Denon Link is also amazing.
It sure is!

Originally Posted by markabuckley

RIGHT - tried another mic - and got same high frequency results - so must be my room/speakers

but after more calibration - everything is sounding ok apart from the subwoofer - which sounds WAY overblown ...in fact I need to turn down afterwards about -2.5 to -3dB !!

BUT only with Audyssey EQ on - with my custom EQ or flat - it sounds ok at auto-levels

this makes me suspicious that (and obviously you can't see whats going on) - somethings being boosted on the subwoofer

now the only odd thing is my subwoofer makes an odd noise during calibration - you can hear the woop woop but overlaid that you can hear a sort of driver rattle noise - I'm guessing this could be throwing the calibration off ?

I've uploaded a video - see below - you can almost here as much "wood" noise as actual output ? or is this normal for the subwoofer cal ?

vid is less than 500kb

http://www.mark-buckley.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/LFE.wmv

Originally Posted by longbow

So, I have been re-ripping my CD's via iTunes into AIFF and I have converted my old Mac Mini into a dedicated iTunes machine using Amarra Mini software. (www.amarraaudio.com) I have the Mac Mini connected to a Cambridge DAC Magic Plus via USB with the DAC Magic Plus Stereo output going into the 4311 via the CD stereo input. The Mini's Toslink output to the AVR-4311ci optical input #1. I also have my Denon DVD-5900 connected via Denon Link and via the 7.1 surround channel output. So, I can now listen to any type of HD audio!

I have noticed when I compare the same music via different inputs that the Toslink is not as clear as the Stereo for the Mini's output. I do not know if this is due to the Stereo vs Toslink or the better DAC's in the DAC Magic Plus vs the Denon's internal DAC's. Can anyone comment on the internal DAC's? Who makes them and is anyone else using them to process their digital files back to analog?

On a side note, the venerable DVD 5900 is awesome for both SACD (via the 7.1 inputs) in either stereo or surround and the Denon Link is also amazing. I have a small collection of hi res discs that are still a lot of fun to listen to.

Originally Posted by AustinJerry

... It would be very difficult to compare the two and make a conclusion about the quality of the Denon DAC's.
It's a bit of a hassle, requiring a little rewiring and basic setting-up of inputs. To get some idea of the difference in DACs one would take the RCA analog output from the ext. DAC and run it in the Ext In FR/FL inputs on the 4311. This will be sent to the amps directly with no processing so the DAC you'll hear is in the ext DAC. The digital signal would still be through the Toslink input (with Audyssey and all other EQ such as Tone Control Off) and the DAC you'll hear is in the 4311. Level matching by using the input trim must be done for the A/B comparison.


I am not familiar with Denon link and how it is processing the signal,
The signal is bitstreamed via Cat5. The DACs in the 4311 are used. If Audyssey is not applied one can then level-match the two and A/B to the 5900's fab DACs when it is also connected with 7.1 analog cables into the 4311's Ext In..

Originally Posted by ccotenj


heck, for that price, i WOULD sell mine...

i'd even be generous and make it be 25 franklins.... i'd gladly convert mine into 4311 + pro kit + 500 in my pocket...

Originally Posted by Splicer010

That is definitely NOT right. Sounds as if the driver of the sub is blown. Which would explain the over driven by Audyssey to compensate as the 'chirp' (really? y'all call that a 'chirp'?). Just started in on this topic so not sure what speakers you have but if they can handle being set to 'large', do that and remove the sub entirely from the equation. Then see how that sounds and if the brightness you describe is lessoned also.

Originally Posted by guillermorb73

Thanks, I've done this and it works. However just using the the menu causes this hiccup as well. Is the 4311 prone to this or have there been sufficient improvements. I'd like to take advantage of an Eggy price. Guys please opine...