The "Official" Denon AVR-4311CI/AVR-A100 thread [NO PRICE TALK] - Page 539

Yes - the mic is very accurate. Others have mentioned the commonly used Radio Shack meter isn't the best way to calibrate a sub - I used mine to do just that having an Elite prior to the Denon which offered no sub eq. Remember that the sub is being set at reference. When I ran XT32 I was surprised at how much I had to dial it down - but it sounds great as well. I am sure others have tweaked their sub settings - just be sure to do it via the receiver and not the controls on the sub.

Yup, pretty common but of course it varies by brand/model and placement. My Velo DD10s are set at 8/100!

My two Hsu ULS-15s are now at 9:30 (down from 10:00 to 10:30 originally with MCACC), and that's at the 72 db that you and AJ suggested on the Pro thread, which got my trim to - 2.5 db. And I may not be done.

When you guys adjust sub gain (on the sub directly), do you recommend re-running Audyssey?

Thanks for the reassurance guys, I'll leave it as it is. I just wanted a little peace of mind.

Incidentally it set the trim on my Valor to -2.5db as well.

It had me adjust mine down before it did any measurements. I'm assuming if you changed it at all on the sub after it was setup you'd have to re-run it.

Gotcha, thanks. Per the Batpig guide I have my Rythmiks at 12 o'clock and the AVR trims are pretty low, so maybe I should dial the subs back and re-run Audyssey.

Yes, if like most of us you want the sub(s) to be properly balanced to the sats (providing "reference level" bass), that is exactly the recommendation. And that is why the Audyssey feature of helping adjust sub trim is so nice. You can get it right the first time, no guessing.

Now, afterward autosetup, if you want to tweak the sub levels, it's much better to adjust the sub ch trim in the AVR so you know exactly how far you've changed it and you can return to exact reference with a few remote clicks. Now since my Velo DD10 subs have remotes and digital vol controls, I can do it either way. In fact the subs have built-in modes such as "reference music" vs "Action Movie" that I can pick at the touch of a button.

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I had to turn my sub way down too. FWIW, I calibrated it like that and then bumped it up with the channel level to my taste.

Remember, it's your machine to use as you like

thanks, fellas-I'll do some additional tweaking.

Looks like the Onkyo 818 is getting XT32 this year. Things just got interesting. XT32 at sub $1000 once pre-order deals start coming around. 135w/channel and 7.2, with 9.2 preouts. Very nice.

The 4311 still beats it with 11.2, but I like seeing XT32 trickling down. Great news for consumers.

I think that's the official death notice for the Pioneer Elite SC series and MCACC, if it also has Wifi friendliness and Qdeo VP, at that price point. Of course, it's an Onkyo....so hopefully it will actually work without overheating or other nasty issues . A new SC 'flagship' AVR with Class D amps, Airplay (which you can get Apple TV to have similar) and 11.2, but RC from the Bush administration, and priced $700 to $1000 over a more capable AVR in a commoditized CE industry, is pointless. And it will be interesting to see how Denon can counter....we can watch the fireworks from here:-)

Onkyo just broke new ground and fired the first shot. It def will be interesting to see how Denon counters.

Pioneer is in a tough spot. Unless they can dramatically improve MCACC and add sub eq, they will start to become irrelevant.

Hmmm....unopened 4311 sitting next to me. Thinking about waiting on the 818. Ugh, what poor timing, lol.

Need to find out what its dimensions are going to be.

i wouldn't get too excited yet...

- as the unit below it in the model lines is listed as having "2eq", one of them (or both) is likely listed with an incorrect spec...

- it's an onkyo... no thanks...

http://www.eu.onkyo.com/downloads/2/...tasheet_EN.pdf

Well, the the 7 series' features may be in doubt but I think the 818 is a known quantity at this point.

I did find the dimensions and its height of 7.82 in. is too tall for my application....so it's a moot point, I suppose, for me. It would have been nice to get into XT32 at a <$1k price point as I have no use for 11.2.

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fair enough...

doesn't change the second point though...

although your concern about height is setting off alarm bells...

It needs to fit into the opening of my media center....which is actively ventilated. Just not much vertical room with which to work.

Wonder if we'll see that Vann's price again or if it was a short-term mistake?

As mentioned, it was an error/price mistake. They emailed me plus called me on the phone to tell me this after I placed my order at that price.

Dunno, but I'm still going to hit the link several times a day.

You said you were able to purchase one at that price. To me that is indicative of an unintentional preview rather than a price mistake....price mistakes are not usually honored as they would basically have to write off the difference.

I could easily see Newegg pricing the 818 at $799 at times. That would have been perfect for me, as I can only do 9.2 max in my room. $800 XT32 is game changing, and opens up a major increase in sound quality for $1000 less than last year's XT32 models.

Sounds kinda silly to sell a 4311 for an 818 though. Denon could drop a monster receiver later this year.

There is little "competition" in that regard. In reality what has probably happened is that Audyssey has lowered the licencing cost per unit on XT32, which the expectation that this will allow the tech to be used on higher volume products. Such as the Onkyo 8xx and Denon 33xx line.

So yes, Denon's similar range of products will have XT32. Not really countering or anything. Pretty much all moving in lockstep. If there was any real competition, we would have seen XT32 in the Marantz AV7005/SR7005 - and we didnt.

Well, since we're really not supposed to talk about price in this thread (hence the title of this thread ), >>here's my post<< in one of the 4311 deal threads.

Aha....thx for the link.

I have stumped myself, though I'm sure it's simple enough. I'm sitting here with all this new equipment since I've done my 5 year upgrade, and mapping out the HDMI hookup situation.
Equipment is:
1. Denon 4311
2. Panny plasma - (not 3D)
3. Epson 5010 3D projector
4. Oppo-93
5. DTV HD DVR
6. Lumagen Radience mini 3D processor (for Epson processing only)

So I want to run the OPPO source direct to the Lumagen, but also want to run the other out to the plasma with the Oppo doing the processing for that. DTV will go to both the Lumagen/Epson, and the plasma in native. I want to have the 4311 do all the switching of course.
Can I do all this through the 4311? I have been through the manual, but the section on setting up the inputs and out is a bit grey to me. Thanks for any direction you guys might have...or better yet, a quick hookup for all the above needs.

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what i do...

all sources to the 4311... oppo 93, atv, fios, xa2, mac mini, ps3...
all video processing turned off in the 4311...
4311 hdmi out to the radiance mini...
radiance mini out to 1X4 hdmi splitter...
hdmi splitter to pj (3d), 3dbee (to different pj hdmi input) and lcd (no 3d)...

doing it this way will eliminate any potential edid headaches that you will have with one display being 3d capable and the other not... the radiance mini always returns the edid info of the source...

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Huh? Not familiar with the Mac Mini ... how do you run video IN to it?

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mac mini is a source...

pj and sammy lcd are the sinks...

edit: although for awhile, i looped the zone 3 audio outs back into the mini, so that i could use airfoil to distribute sound... wasn't worth the effort to hook that back up when i re-arranged the room the last time...

2nd edit: i see why you were confused... the "mini" on the output side is the radiance mini that the op was referring to... i'll fix that...