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post #17101 of 23136
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Originally Posted by UNICRON-WMD View Post

So does anyone know for sure if the 4311ci will pass through a 4k signal via HDMI?

Edit: I found it, but I just can't find anything "official" on their site that says it.

Unlikely. How would you test, anyways?
post #17102 of 23136
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Originally Posted by UNICRON-WMD View Post

So does anyone know for sure if the 4311ci will pass through a 4k signal via HDMI?

Edit: I found it, but I just can't find anything "official" on their site that says it.

Although it's certainly possible (just as some 3D formats will pass through an HDMI 1.3 AVR), as SamS notes, until there is actual 4k content, we won't know for sure.
post #17103 of 23136
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Although it's certainly possible (just as some 3D formats will pass through an HDMI 1.3 AVR), as SamS notes, until there is actual 4k content, we won't know for sure.

We have some 4K upscaling players (content), the problem is no display to test it on!
post #17104 of 23136
^^
Yup ... need both for sure.
post #17105 of 23136
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Originally Posted by itallushrt View Post

Funny, I went to the deal thread and saw you asking technical issues that probably belonged here.

Perhaps, and I did get a message there that it is the wrong place. However, I would think decisions around features come into play when getting a deal...
post #17106 of 23136
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Originally Posted by swizzchard View Post

Perhaps, and I did get a message there that it is the wrong place. However, I would think decisions around features come into play when getting a deal...

Feature discussion belongs here. Pricing / deal talk (and only pricing / deal talk) belongs in the deals thread (hence the "[NO PRICE TALK]" qualifier on this thread's title) - the idea of the deals forum is only to discuss where to get the best deals on stuff, not to discuss features and decide which product to buy.
post #17107 of 23136
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

Feature discussion belongs here. Pricing / deal talk (and only pricing / deal talk) belongs in the deals thread (hence the "[NO PRICE TALK]" qualifier on this thread's title) - the idea of the deals forum is only to discuss where to get the best deals on stuff, not to discuss features and decide which product to buy.

Fair enough. Hence why they corrected me there! But the title is deal talk not deal talk [NO FEATURE TALK] where as this thread specifically is no price...
post #17108 of 23136
^^^

please... stop...
post #17109 of 23136
Is it worth upgrading to the 4311 from a 3312? if for nothing else the XT32

[i have 2 subs]
post #17110 of 23136
^^^

well... i upgraded from an av7005 pre-pro (for all intents and purposes, the "same" as your 3312 with the amps ripped out, the av7005 is based off the 3311) to an a100 simply to get xt32, and i have not regretted it for one moment...

so yes, i would say it is worth it...

the upcoming 3313 "may" have xt32, that is still unsure... even if it does, the 4311 is still likely "worth" the relatively modest price premium over the assumed street price of the 3313...
post #17111 of 23136
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

^^^

well... i upgraded from an av7005 pre-pro (for all intents and purposes, the "same" as your 3312 with the amps ripped out, the av7005 is based off the 3311) to an a100 simply to get xt32, and i have not regretted it for one moment...

so yes, i would say it is worth it...

the upcoming 3313 "may" have xt32, that is still unsure... even if it does, the 4311 is still likely "worth" the relatively modest price premium over the assumed street price of the 3313...

Excellent thank you
post #17112 of 23136
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Originally Posted by HAmmer32261 View Post

Is it worth upgrading to the 4311 from a 3312? if for nothing else the XT32

[i have 2 subs]

For XT32 and subEQ, I would say yes, since you have two subs. If you would like to discuss farther, drop us a line.
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post #17113 of 23136
This is loosely related to the the 4311 as I do have one and it will be powering my setup, but mainly I respect the opinions of those that post here....

I am looking to upgrade the speakers I have connected to my 4311 in the basement. The basement is a LARGE open room. I sit from ~9-10 ft. from the display and LCR. Currently, I have bookshelf speakers on stands as my surrounds (5.1 setup). The wall behind me is 10-12 ft. behind the seating area.

Are bookshelves on stands the only way to go or would bipole surround speakers mounted to the back wall be okay at that distance from the MLP?

If it matters the viewing/listening area is completely open to the rest of the basement on both sides.
post #17114 of 23136
^^
Although I'm sure some have that configuration due to WAF and room constraints, ideally the "side" surrounds in a 5.1 setup are just that ... they are set from 90-110 degrees to the "side" of the main listening position.
post #17115 of 23136
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Originally Posted by Nickff View Post

This is loosely related to the the 4311 as I do have one and it will be powering my setup, but mainly I respect the opinions of those that post here....

I am looking to upgrade the speakers I have connected to my 4311 in the basement. The basement is a LARGE open room. I sit from ~9-10 ft. from the display and LCR. Currently, I have bookshelf speakers on stands as my surrounds (5.1 setup). The wall behind me is 10-12 ft. behind the seating area.

Are bookshelves on stands the only way to go or would bipole surround speakers mounted to the back wall be okay at that distance from the MLP?

If it matters the viewing/listening area is completely open to the rest of the basement on both sides.

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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

^^
Although I'm sure some have that configuration due to WAF and room constraints, ideally the "side" surrounds in a 5.1 setup are just that ... they are set from 90-110 degrees to the "side" of the main listening position.

I agree with JD and in a medium to large room where the surround speakers are not close to the listener (not multiple rows of seating) I like to use direct radiating speakers for the surrounds.
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post #17116 of 23136
Agreed. It's one thing if you have a typical living room setup with couch against the back wall.... Then mounting bipoles behind you might be the only practical solution. But in a room that size with that much distance behind you having your primary sounds back there is a bad idea. If you wanted to add back surrounds it would work fine but I wouldn't want the primary surrounds in a 5.1 setup that far behind me.
post #17117 of 23136
one more agreement here... with that configuration, i'd do everything (including stand mounting, if necessary) to get the surrounds where they "belong"...
post #17118 of 23136
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Agreed. It's one thing if you have a typical living room setup with couch against the back wall.... Then mounting bipoles behind you might be the only practical solution. But in a room that size with that much distance behind you having your primary sounds back there is a bad idea. If you wanted to add back surrounds it would work fine but I wouldn't want the primary surrounds in a 5.1 setup that far behind me.

That's why they invented Gem XLs and BPVX LOL...as well as adjustable height stands for the labor and/or hole-drilling impaired...at least for those of us that can't negotiate outside the "typical" setup due to WAF. Better that than off-axis direct firing speakers, even with Audyssey IMO.
post #17119 of 23136
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Originally Posted by AV Science Sales 5 View Post

I agree with JD and in a medium to large room where the surround speakers are not close to the listener (not multiple rows of seating) I like to use direct radiating speakers for the surrounds.

That's what I'm doing in my main system (I'm not using my 4311 in the main system, but the speaker configuration wouldn't change if I did). I've got a pretty large room (roughly 15x25) and sit about 8 feet back from the TV. The side surrounds are off to the side and slightly behind the main listening position and the rear surrounds are on the back wall about 3-4 feet in from the corners. I've got B&W Matrix 802 S3's for front left/right, B&W Matrix HTM for the center, B&W Matrix 804's for the sides and surrounds, and a pair of Submersive HP subs. The end result is pretty good .
post #17120 of 23136
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Originally Posted by Nickff View Post

This is loosely related to the the 4311 as I do have one and it will be powering my setup, but mainly I respect the opinions of those that post here....

I am looking to upgrade the speakers I have connected to my 4311 in the basement. The basement is a LARGE open room. I sit from ~9-10 ft. from the display and LCR. Currently, I have bookshelf speakers on stands as my surrounds (5.1 setup). The wall behind me is 10-12 ft. behind the seating area.

Are bookshelves on stands the only way to go or would bipole surround speakers mounted to the back wall be okay at that distance from the MLP?

If it matters the viewing/listening area is completely open to the rest of the basement on both sides.

I'm working through similar set up issues. The Audyssey FAQ is a great place to "kill" some time and learn about such things.
post #17121 of 23136
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

That's what I'm doing in my main system (I'm not using my 4311 in the main system, but the speaker configuration wouldn't change if I did). I've got a pretty large room (roughly 15x25) and sit about 8 feet back from the TV. The side surrounds are off to the side and slightly behind the main listening position and the rear surrounds are on the back wall about 3-4 feet in from the corners. I've got B&W Matrix 802 S3's for front left/right, B&W Matrix HTM for the center, B&W Matrix 804's for the sides and surrounds, and a pair of Submersive HP subs. The end result is pretty good .

i think it's safe to say that's understated commentary... i had the same l/c/r (no 804's for surrounds though , ) along with a paradigm servo 15v2 in my room (approximately 14x16) and it was "pretty good" even with my EXTREMELY limited knowledge about proper mch setup (not to mention a whole bunch of "no knowledge" about audio theory)...

so in your room (more appropriately sized for the speakers), with your knowledge, a pair of hp's AND using audyssey, i'd allow that it probably is "darn good" at the very least...

side note: it took a long time for swmbo to forgive me for selling the matrix's (matrices?)... it wasn't until the salks showed up that she was truly happy again... she likes speakers that "look like speakers" (i.e. she wasn't fond of my little diversion into bookshelves... )...
post #17122 of 23136
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Originally Posted by HAmmer32261 View Post

Is it worth upgrading to the 4311 from a 3312? if for nothing else the XT32

[i have 2 subs]

I did just that, though the 3312 was still in the return window. It was worth it!
post #17123 of 23136
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Originally Posted by tandy1000rl View Post

I did just that, though the 3312 was still in the return window. It was worth it!

Is it worth it for those only using 5.1 without second sub or anything more than 7 channels?
post #17124 of 23136
^^^

good question... i run 5.2, so i can't say definitively that with 1 sub it would be "worth it"...

however... i'd be inclined to still lean in the direction of "worth it" as when i used a xt equipped unit with a single sub, i still used my antimode in conjunction with it, as i got a "better result" by letting the antimode handle the "really bad" room mode and giving xt a better starting point to work with...

xt32, otoh, handles 2 by itself without assistance*... so it may be logical to assume it would handle 1 "better" than xt would... i say "may" (instead of "will") because dual subs change the whole subwoofer/room interaction equation and xt32 could be using the duals to acheive things it couldn't with a single...

hth...

* well... not entirely without assistance if you are ocd and happen to have measuring tools lying around doing nothing... in which case, you can do a few things to improve the results (note that this is not "necessary", it is "optional")... if this particular disease afflicts you, there are fellow sufferers in the audyssey pro thread who can facilitate your trip into that particular rabbit hole...
post #17125 of 23136
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

side note: it took a long time for swmbo to forgive me for selling the matrix's (matrices?)... it wasn't until the salks showed up that she was truly happy again... she likes speakers that "look like speakers" (i.e. she wasn't fond of my little diversion into bookshelves... )...

Sounds like she's a keeper .
post #17126 of 23136
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Originally Posted by swizzchard View Post

Is it worth it for those only using 5.1 without second sub or anything more than 7 channels?

The SQ improvement of XT32 over XT is clear, given good quality speakers. Pretty much 100% of reports of upgraders have been of the "pleased, no regrets" type. But the value of XT32 is, of course, an individual judgment. Personally I don't think that if you have just 1 sub it changes the value that much. Besides, later you may decide to add a second sub and/or Audyssey Pro.
post #17127 of 23136
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Originally Posted by SoundofMind View Post


The SQ improvement of XT32 over XT is clear, given good quality speakers. Pretty much 100% of reports of upgraders have been of the "pleased, no regrets" type. But the value of XT32 is, of course, an individual judgment. Personally I don't think that if you have just 1 sub it changes the value that much. Besides, later you may decide to add a second sub and/or Audyssey Pro.

I also recall in the Audyssey thread some folks graphed the preamp outputs of an XT vs XT32 corrected signal. It seems that XT was way more aggressive in the HF, trying to correct every single little comb filter artifact, while XT32 would work more like a variable tone control, more broadly boosting or cutting treble as needed without introducing a comb-like correction filter of its own. We concluded that may be how they were able to direct more correction resources into the LF without requiring gobs more DSP power in the AVR. It's also probably a more sensible way to EQ.

And unlike dual subs or 9+ speakers, everyone has multiple tweeters in their setups. Another win for the upgraded Audyssey.
post #17128 of 23136
The dealer I bought my 3312 from said they would let me return it for the 4311 even though it's over the 15 day return policy by a few days, so I'll have it on the 16th.
Really looking forward to my 2 RW12's properly EQd
post #17129 of 23136
I upgraded from a 3311 and feel it is a nice improvement both for XT32 and the quality of the amps.
post #17130 of 23136
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post


xt32, otoh, handles 2 by itself without assistance*... so it may be logical to assume it would handle 1 "better" than xt would... i say "may" (instead of "will") because dual subs change the whole subwoofer/room interaction equation and xt32 could be using the duals to acheive things it couldn't with a single..

* well... not entirely without assistance if you are ocd and happen to have measuring tools lying around doing nothing... in which case, you can do a few things to improve the results (note that this is not "necessary", it is "optional")... if this particular disease afflicts you, there are fellow sufferers in the audyssey pro thread who can facilitate your trip into that particular rabbit hole...

There's plenty of room there. Or maybe Pro is looking too 'easy' to use these days....and finding its limits, as well as revisiting the whole notion of what 'trust but verify' means by the sequence of independent measuring, pushes the 'science' part of A/V Science. All I know is I'm enjoying the ride while I'm figuring out what OmniMic measurements to post in the next few days LOL
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