The "Official" Denon AVR-4311CI/AVR-A100 thread [NO PRICE TALK] - Page 581

Originally Posted by djgetdwn

hey guys,

Wow!!! I heard the denon 4311ci had a strong following, but 580+ pages is amazing. I probably shouldn't even be asking this question now.
This has been surely covered before and apologize for the inconvience; however I can't help but to ask the experts.
I've been on the fence with this receiver, I currently have an onkyo 3009 with some hdmi issues. I do like the straight forward power sound it has, to a certain point. I hear alot of static when I watch a movie, only when it's one person talking, it's like a hear the mic.
I guess to get to the point I'm kind of torn between the 4311ci with an emo amp (possibly), or going with an onkyo 5009.
I have monitor audio rx8's, rx center, rxfx's and an hsu vtf15.

I really appreciate any kind of feedback you guys can give me and as always value your opionions.
Thank so you very much!!!

Originally Posted by AustinJerry

I don't understand what you mean by "Windows won't open or save a .DAT" file. There is nothing in Windows that would prevent you from saving the file. When the browser prompts you to save the file, you select "Save as", point it to a subdirectory on your hard drive, and click Save. Should work every time. As for opening the file, that is an entirely different story. If you double-click on a .DAT file, Windows will issue a warning stating that it doesn't know which program to use to open the file. Simply click on "Select a program from a list of installed programs", and select Notepad.exe from the list.

No telling what happened with the menu screen. Since things weren't going well, I suspect something got messed up. My recommendation would be to try the save routing once again, using the tips I provided above. Report back your experiences.

Originally Posted by djgetdwn

hey guys,

Wow!!! I heard the denon 4311ci had a strong following, but 580+ pages is amazing. I probably shouldn't even be asking this question now.
This has been surely covered before and apologize for the inconvience; however I can't help but to ask the experts.
I've been on the fence with this receiver, I currently have an onkyo 3009 with some hdmi issues. I do like the straight forward power sound it has, to a certain point. I hear alot of static when I watch a movie, only when it's one person talking, it's like a hear the mic.
I guess to get to the point I'm kind of torn between the 4311ci with an emo amp (possibly), or going with an onkyo 5009.
I have monitor audio rx8's, rx center, rxfx's and an hsu vtf15.

I really appreciate any kind of feedback you guys can give me and as always value your opionions.
Thank so you very much!!!

Originally Posted by itallushrt


To say I'm disappointed is an understatement. If I cannot find a work around for getting my 50,000+ flac/mp3 collection to all zones in a fashion that other manufacturers are allowing me to do then I guess I'm sending this back. GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.

Originally Posted by itallushrt

Not impressed....

For starters it seems I cannot bi-amp FLR in a 5.1 AND power 2 speakers in zone 2.

Second, the DLNA implementation on this device is the worse I have seen. Add to that the Android app is BAD. Real bad. So bad that twice now I have managed to completely lock the unit up so bad, just by trying to play from my DLNA server to zone 2, that even the power button on the front of the unit will not respond. I have to actually unplug the device. Also, I've seen some very very odd behavior when using the built in web server to access / control the device. Since I've practically given up on the Android app I figured I'd try to control the unit via a laptop. When selecting a source for zone 2 all of a sudden the AVR will start blaring that same source (different than what was playing) out of the Main Zone! But clipping the audio, not due to level, and having HDMI issues with the television. BAD, BUGGY behavior.

I've tried to determine if I have the latest version of firmware on the device, but can only tell that I have the "latest" from the upgrade menu. I mean come on .. how about showing what version number the unit is running.

Another thing I've noticed is that in general network connectivity is SLOW. Very slow. I'm a network engineer by trade and can promise you there are no problems with my LAN. It almost seems as if there is a duplex mismatch, but it is not possible within the unit to display the connected speed/duplex.

I bought this unit because I didn't think I'd be experiencing these kinds of problems. I was dead wrong. I've had experience with the Onkyo and Yamaha apps and they both work flawlessly. Those units, a TX-NR509 and A2010, both accessed my same network resources without issue.

To top it all off I thought I'd go ahead and do the airplay upgrade as an effort to find an Android work around (Remote for iTunes) even though I hate iTunes and will now be forced to use it. HOWEVER, when I went to register my unit on Denons website their registration app crashed with a database error. HA! Wow, it is evident they are struggling with network connectivity in general.

To say I'm disappointed is an understatement. If I cannot find a work around for getting my 50,000+ flac/mp3 collection to all zones in a fashion that other manufacturers are allowing me to do then I guess I'm sending this back. GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.

Edit to add something else...

The PQ from ALL sources is horrible now with or without video conversion/upscaling. Those sources are an oppo bdp-93, a motorola DVR box from the cable company and an Xbox. All are connected with blue jeans hdmi cables.

Originally Posted by djgetdwn

...I'm kind of torn between the 4311ci with an emo amp (possibly), or going with an onkyo 5009. I have monitor audio rx8's, rx center, rxfx's and an hsu vtf15...

Originally Posted by Glashub

In ie9 one is given a pop up with a choice to open or save the file. Click either and one gets a "pop up" stating windows can't open or save a .dat file with instructions to go to page of programs that might open it but don't.

What's a '.dat' file?
The first thing to understand about .DAT files is that it indicates a file that has arbitrary data. That means it's not associated with any one particular program or application. When you see a file with a .XLS extension, you know it's referring to an Excel file, and so on. But with .DAT files, you have to figure out how to open it yourself and it may not be the same program each time. - http://ask-leo.com/whats_a_dat_file.html

How To Convert a DAT File into A Word Document
http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/how-to-...word-document/

Not sure what happened but I'm not alone.

Originally Posted by holt7153

djgetdown-

I'm using the 4311 (no external amp) with a Monitor Audio RS6/RSLCR/RS1 setup and it sounds very clean. I was a little unclear about your question so I hope that helped.

Originally Posted by AustinJerry

What do you mean by "I'm not alone"? I haven't heard anyone else say that they can't save a .DAT file. Here is proof that it works (IE9 on Windows 7):

Prompt to save the file in IE9:




Select "Save as" and select the subdirectory (in this case \\Temp):




Message stating the file has saved successfully:




DIR listing of \\Temp showing the file is there:





No disrespect meant, but it would seem that you have a challenge with your personal computer, not with the configuration save function on the 4311.

Originally Posted by djgetdwn

... What I'm looking for is a really clean smooth sound hear every crackle of fire in a movie scene without sacrificing any bass or midbass for that matter...

Originally Posted by Glashub

Look you sound like you want to be adversarial. I'm not in the mood. What's really going on with you? Did you even read the info in the links?

Originally Posted by tandy1000rl

Network connectivity, remote control via a telephone, and using the unit as a source are the least of my concerns when it comes to evaluating an AVR. Sound quality is critical.

Originally Posted by batpig

Also you might want to scroll back a few pages and read about why receiver biamping is useless.

Originally Posted by SoundofMind

If XT32 doesn't get you all that with your nice speakers, your next HT dollars should probably go into Audyssey Pro ($700 total) rather than an ext amp (even an Emotiva will cost you more than that). Pro improves detail, imaging and surround integration as well as increasing bass punch. Recall that Pro is not available on the 5009.

Originally Posted by djgetdwn

My apologizes, (long day) I guess what I really want to know is would the denon be a good combo with my speakers

Originally Posted by itallushrt


Least of YOUR concerns...not mine. The product is not able to deliver on something it says it can which means it cannot output content in my system...something to me that is important.

I CAN hear a difference in my setup. Am I crazy? Yeah probably, but I CAN hear a difference.

Originally Posted by itallushrt


Least of YOUR concerns...not mine. The product is not able to deliver on something it says it can which means it cannot output content in my system...something to me that is important.

I CAN hear a difference in my setup. Am I crazy? Yeah probably, but I CAN hear a difference.

Originally Posted by gsr

* Note that I'm not commenting on the post directly preceding this one.

But I'm just wondering - is there a full moon tonight or something?

Originally Posted by gsr

* Note that I'm not commenting on the post directly preceding this one.

But I'm just wondering - is there a full moon tonight or something?

Originally Posted by Nethawk

You're right, my response was harsh. My apologies.

Most people use AVS to research interesting devices to determine whether feature sets meet out needs. Others come to complain that their expectations were not met, regardless of device capabilities.

The latter is frustrating to say the least.

Your poor video quality is a valid concern. If microprocessor reset doesn't help I would certainly return it for another.

Digital Crossover provides a separate routing system by splitting the audio signal into separate frequency bands optimized for each speaker driver. It provides a fine, three- dimensional sound field that extend each driver’s performance to the uppermost.

With its built-in time alignment function, this system also adjusts the sound shifting that occurs when there is a physical offset between sound drivers. At a digital processing level, it corrects this offset by delaying the related audio signal.

Although this function is meant for speakers without crossover network, it can also be used with bi-amped speakers.

In this case, set the crossover network on the AV receiver as the speakers’ built-in network frequency is not used.

Crossover
“250Hz”, “320Hz”, “400Hz”, “500Hz, “630Hz”, “800Hz”, “1000Hz”, “1250Hz”, “1600Hz”, “2000Hz”, “2500Hz”, “3200Hz”, “4000Hz”, “5000Hz”

Output Band for Test
High + Low, High, Low:
Select the output for the audio signal.

Overlap
No
Yes

With this setting, a frequency band near the specified crossover frequency is output by both tweeters and woofers. Based on the frequency selected for “Crossover”, the cutoff frequency of the low-pass filter (LPF) will be set to 1/3 octave up and that of the high-pass filter (HPF) to 1/3 octave down. Example: With a “Crossover” of “3200Hz”, the cutoff frequency of the woofers’ LPF will be “4000Hz”, and the tweeters’ HPF will be “2500Hz”.

High Level, Low Level
–6.0dB to 0.0dB to +6.0dB in 0.5 dB steps

With this setting, you can set the volume of tweeters and woofers.

High Phase, Low Phase
0o
180o:

With this setting, you can adjust the phase of tweeters and woofers.

High Distance, Low Distance
0inch(0.0cm) to 12inch(30.0cm) in 1 inch(2.5 cm) steps
Audio Adjust
Note:
With this setting, you can adjust the virtual position of tweeter and woofer units.
Adjusting “High Distance” virtually shifts woofers behind tweeters. Adjusting “Low Distance” virtually shifts tweeters behind woofers.

Originally Posted by FilmMixer

I know there was discussion a couple of days ago about bi-amping..

This is off topic, but I noticed the new Onkyo 818 seems to have active crossover capability...

From the manual....

Originally Posted by sixtytooneratio

Received my UPS return label for my 45LB. doorstop.
I wish it would have worked.
I like the feature set of the unit.
They offered a replace but I declined,once bitten twice shy.
I'm hoping my Onkyo 809 replacement comes soon,I liked my 807 but it had the missing speaker icon,no sound issues.
I'm exhibiting withdrawal symtoms,no receiver now for 4 weeks.