The "Official" Denon AVR-4311CI/AVR-A100 thread [NO PRICE TALK] - Page 60

I'm not sure what all things being equal means but just as I would expect the AVP to be notably better than the 4311 I'd expect either the AVM50v or D2v to be better than a 4311 and not just because of the significant difference in price.

Better for me is just better for me. I wouldn't presume to speak for anyone else. By the way all I know about Anthem branded products is their reputation, reviews and what's in the manuals.

The added inline resistance to the mic line makes Audysseyss auto setup hear a lower output level from all speakers, thus it will boost the trim levels. Inline resistance added to the speakers as you say will have affect on impedance, but it will do no harm to the amp and this is for testing only, to lower the output of the speaker at a given input and again Audysseys auto setup will be boosting the trim levels more positive. This will push the settings away from the maxed out -12db. This is only to see if the trim levels needed to the speakers are past the +12db range. My first choice would be inline with the mic.

just ordered mine!

Well said......
and I agree it's all about control, which the 4311 seems well suited for,
maybe even better than the AVP (as long as one doesn't claim to be able to hear the difference in DACs and properly operating electronics)

DreamCatcher

I suppose you could leave the attenuator in to get trim levels, then remove it to calculate the EQ filters - depending on how Audyssey does its measuring and in what order, it's been too long since I've done one. Also, you'd need to be able unplug and reconnect the mic without exiting Audyssey setup, I know some receivers quit calibration mode once the mic is unplugged.

My main concern was how changing the impedance of the mic would affect the readings used for EQ, and like I said, I have no idea if it would. I'd personally just ask Chris from Audyssey either on the forums or at http://ask.audyssey.com to see what his recommendation would be - it's his technology, after all.

Talked to a dealer I have a deposit on a 4311 with today. Apparently the first Canadian shipment will be a couple of weeks late, now arriving on Oct 25 at the distribution centre (Ontario?), then out to dealers.

Does anyone in Canada know anything else?

I just order mine today, i'm in Alberta, i got the same answer, sounds like first week of November.

Contrary to some other reports, the "Engrish" translation of this Japanese web site seems to indicate that the A100 does have different DACs from those in the 4311CI.

"D / A converter is made of 24-bit Burr - Brown PCM1791A Asahi type has been changed from AK4358."

http://translate.google.com/translat...ff%26prmd%3Div

Not editorializing about component quality, just disseminating info for those interested in determining all the differences between the A100 & 4311CI...

AJ

It's made in Japan for 4311.

AJ,

The use of the Burr Brown DACs coincides the with Audio Performance Features listed on Crutchfield's website, but I don't know how accurate that information is.


Willie

NOOOOO!!!!!! Are we back to the DACS again!!?? Just when I thought that poor horse would be flogged no more!
On another note loving the Pandora on my Denon. Played a bit more with it last night! This one is a keeper for me...well until my A100 gets here...
Chris

Pandora does sound quite good for a streaming internet radio station. Unfortunately, if you paid $36 to subscribe to Pandora One like I did, I don't think we are getting the full 192Kbs bandwidth. According to the Pandora web site, only internet consumers are receiving the improved bandwidth. I could be wrong--I have no way of actually measuring the bandwidth that the 4311 is getting. Still, it sounds at least like "CD quality" sound.

As nice as the Denon capability is, I still prefer the flexibility and the interface on Sonos--I have a Sonos ZP90 connected to the 4311.

On the down side, evidently the Denon will not connect to Sirius/XM without a separate tuner. Strange, since Sonos can stream Sirius/XM directly (and my iPhone as well...).

ohhhh, I was just about to pony UP the $36 a year for premium because I figured it would sound even better than the 128 stream I am seeing. I should get confirmation on that before I buy! Thanks for the tip!
Chris

I'm looking to purchase both the AVR and DBP A100s, can someone PM me with a good source for discounts?

Thanks!

Are you talking about something other than the NET/USB controls?

Unboxed and plugged in a minimal amount of connections last night to test how the switch to HDMI would effect lag on my system for gaming. Pretty satisfied with the results once I got it into game mode, video is about equal and audio lag is up but that is likely a result of the lip synch settings - I am a little disappointed that this does not appear to be selectable by source, but I'll make do.

After all the complaints about build quality I guess the unit meets my diminished expectations. This is replacing a Rotel 1055 in my system and while it is not as sharp as the Rotel it certainly doesn't look cheap or unworthy of being on the rack.

One question that I can't seem to figure out: How do I set up the HDMI pass through on standby?

Go to Manual set up, then HDMi Setup , go to HDMi Control to On. There a few other option will cascade..

Well that's the way on the 3311, I'm think it should be similar.


DJoel

I am saying that, if I had the choice, I would chose Sonos to for a variety of functions: Pandora, Sirius, and streaming my own music from my media server. For example, using the Sonos controller, I can create new stations by typing on an alpha keyboard, not using a Denon remote control. I also can create queues, playlists, etc. And the current song information displays on the controller, which I can carry around with me.

As far as the sound, both methods are the same.

I was curious because using NET/USB (i.e. streaming) functions on the 4311 is totally teh sux0r compared to the Squeezebox web interface or even the Duet controller. Besides the sub-par GUI the system is quite slow and even erratic at times. I'm concerned about the plethora of reports about the network interface in the 4310 and hope the new design is completely different.

While the 4311 version is fairly small, it never goes off. How sad. I'm tempted to write a version of mute that uses the minus infinity volume.

One reason not to buy one of these receivers is network stuff. Look at these functions as ads, not core features. Others may disagree but no receiver does distributed audio even remotely as slick as a Sonos. Additional video to another monitor, sound to one of perhaps two Zones. I think this is what people are describing. Now the new I-Phone app looks like an improvement if in anything appearance.

I would like Denon to make an Android app version of iPhone one.

I picked up my 4311 at Best Buy Friday night. Its setup to some extent but I feel like I'm going through a debug phase. Here is what I've run into so far: Maybe this might be helpful to others or others might have some ideas for me.

1) For some reason I've had the unit completely freeze up twice to where I had to unplug it. Still watching this one. Very concerning
2) The OSD for net/usb/cd/tuner just disappeared on me until I reset everything.
3) The internet connectivity does appear to get hung up at times after coming back to it after not using it at times.. I have to unplug the network and restart the unit. When its working though its very convenient to have Pandora through the receiver. awesome
4) The usb port on the back of the unit doesn't appear to do anything. Has anyone got this to work? I would prefer to plug my ipod into this one rather than the front. The back port hasn't recognized any device plugged into it all: ipod, iphone, usb hard drive, etc.
5) The sound quality is awesome. I noticed that right away coming from my old Sony gx900es. However, its seems underpowered or muted compared to my old receiver. I'm only running 3 speakers for now. Front (l / r) and center. I have not run the Audessy tuning yet since I'm still being speakers. Any ideas on this one? I have 2 bookshelf B&W (602s?).
6) As one of my HDMI inputs I have it connected to a high-end laptop with a hdmi out port for netflix/network video, etc. This works just fine but..whenever I switch between hdmi input sources, even if I don't select the computer input, the change flashes my computer monitor screen as if it were reconfiguring. Why is it impacting my laptop if I didn't select it on the receiver?

Much to do..

Thanks in advance.

Bingo. Thank you much. Figures it was the one setting I didn't try - I assumed incorrectly that it was just a single option on whether to auto-standby devices. It looks like this will allow me to do the two room solution I was looking for as well as solve my ever growing cabling nightmare.

IMO, I don't think you are missing much (I am a newly converted Droid user (EVO) and also have an iPad.. I just set up a book mark for the Web Control interface.. it's much more useful.

I think a Droid app will be coming fairly soon however...

4. Only (1) USB port can be used at a time. The default setting is the front port. To change it to the back port, change "USB Select" (p. 85) from "Front" to "Rear."

5. Run AUTO SETUP now and then just run it again when you add additional speakers.

6. If the laptop is on, then the AVR sees it as part of the HDMI configuration.

I found an app called AVR-Remote that is for Denon AVR's.

with this ON, in "standby" mode, is the unit really on standby ? (I remember the old denons do not really "standby". The HDMI board video section is basically on. And the power supply to feed them, etc. You can feel it's warm. It draws abt the same power as if the unit is on, just without driving the speakers).

(I'm not concerned abt the power consumption. but I'm concerned abt the heat if it's left ON for an extended period)

Well according to the Literature page on Denon's site

"Lower power consumption at Stand-by 0.1 W (Standby.)"

I hope it doesn't get hot. I had my Onkyo 3007 in Stand-by mode for a week and the unit was so hot to the touch but my unit was broken so don't know if other's do that.

The new Denon HDMI 1.4 AVRs released this year (to include the 4311) are ALWAYS in Standby mode (unlike models in previous years that could be turned OFF completely without unplugging the cable). There are two consumption rates, either regular Standby, or Standby - CEC (ie when HDMI Control is set to YES). To date, the 4311 has the lowest rates.

XX10 - 0.3W (Standby), 30W (Standby-CEC)
3311 and lower - 0.1W (Standby), 3.0W (Standby-CEC)

4311 - 0.1W (Standby), 2.2W (Standby-CEC)