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post #17941 of 21945
6/10/12 at 6:19am
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Originally Posted by pbarach View Post

I hear no difference playing CDs from my DenonLink 3 player (3109) compared to my two BluRay players connected to my 4310 over HDMI or digital coax. In all these cases, you are using the AVR's DAC, so there will be no audible difference on CDs. The DenonLink players do have the advantage over the BluRay players when it comes to SACD or DVD-A, since the signal will go to the AVR digitally and can then be Audyssey-processed before conversion to analog. Any of the Oppo players will do the same thing as the DenonLink players because they can send SACD or DVD-A to the AVR over HDMI.

Hi. Interesting that you don't hear a difference between CAT5DenonLink and HDMI. As always, YMMV, and that may be due to differences in our gear and rooms. As to gear, I never compared DenonLink in the 4310. When I had that AVR I didn't have the DBPA100 (4010). Back then, I did many comparisons of Oppo 83SE analog vs digital connections to the 4310 and established that in my room (no formal acoustic treatments and bad boomy bass problems) any slight SQ advantage in high end detail using the Oppo DACs, Ext In, Direct Mode, etc., for Stereo were not worth it if it meant giving up MultEQXT. Before I had the 4310, I had the AVR 2809 and I'd concluded that using those Oppo DACs offered a slight advantage overall if I used standard analog IN on the AVR and redigitized the signal and applied Audyssey. I know, kinda kooky but that's me. biggrin.gif

As I've posted on my "Does DenonLink really matter?" thread, I was skeptical that jitter reduction ( supposedly the advantage of the proprietary DenonLink technology) would make a worthwhile sonic difference. Based on reports, some from folks I consider quite credible, I tried it for myself and posted the results in the DBP4010 thread. The SQ improvement once I got AVR A100 (4311) with XT32 was considerable in several areas including detail, imaging and soundstage. Perhaps that better allows me to hear the difference with DenonLink. Or mebbe I'm just full of it. biggrin.gif
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post #17942 of 21945
6/10/12 at 6:33am
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^^^
i said i'd only make one comment on that subject, so i will stick to my word...
however, i will make a general comment... just because doing something correctly is difficult, that does not mean that doing it incorrectly then becomes correct...

So I correctly surmised that you continue to maintain the position that without lab-level SPL control in place we HT enthusists are deluding ourselves if we believe we are doing valid, repeatable comparisons helpful in making everyday decisions regarding our hobby gear by using the techniques I've described.

You may have noticed that I don't bring up this topic unless you do. Chris, we agree on so much, but not on this so let's please resume our gentlemanly agreement to agree to disagree and not rehash it. smile.gif
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post #17943 of 21945
6/10/12 at 6:52am
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Originally Posted by SoundofMind View Post

Hi. Interesting that you don't hear a difference between CAT5DenonLink and HDMI. I will point out that I did not have the DBPA100 (4310) player when I had the 4310. AS always, YMMV, and that may be due to differences in our gear and rooms. As to gear, I never compared DenonLink in the 4310. When I had that AVR I didn't have the DBPA100 (4010). Back then, I did many comparisons of Oppo 83SE analog vs digital connections to the 4310 and established that in my room (no formal acoustic treatments and bad boomy bass problems) any slight SQ advantage in high end detail using the Oppo DACs, Ext In, Direct Mode, etc., for Stereo were not worth it if it meant giving up MultEQXT. Before I had the 4310, I had the AVR 2809 and I'd concluded that using those Oppo DACs offered a slight advantage overall if I used standard analog IN on the AVR and redigitized the signal and applied Audyssey. I know, kinda kooky but that's me. biggrin.gif
As I've posted on my "Does DenonLink really matter?" thread, I was skeptical that jitter reduction ( supposedly the advantage of the proprietary DenonLink technology) would make a worthwhile sonic difference. Based on reports, some from folks I consider quite credible, I tried it for myself and posted the results in the DBP4010 thread. The SQ improvement once I got AVR A100 (4311) with XT32 was considerable in several areas including detail, imaging and soundstage. Perhaps that better allows me to hear the difference with DenonLink. Or mebbe I'm just full of it. biggrin.gif

SoM,

Could you post a link to specific posts in the 4010 thread discussing your thoughts on DL. I'm a bit under the weather today but would like to read about your thoughts on this. Have you been able to compare any of the Oppo players with DSD Direct to that of Denon players with DL using DSD? I'm curious if one compared the two players connected to the 4311/A100 if one could tell any differences between DSD Direct with HDMI to that of DL.

Bill
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post #17944 of 21945
6/10/12 at 7:07am
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

^^

In order for the ARC feature to work (ie. pass audio from the TV back to the AVR over the HDMI cable connecting them), HDMI-CEC must be enabled on both the TV (Anynet+) and on the AVR (HDMI Control) and the HDMI cable must be plugged into the proper ARC HDMI input on the Sammy (usually HDMI2). With ARC enabled you should be able to pass OTA audio to the AVR. Also make sure the Sammy is set to "external speakers" or "home theater". You should also be able to pass audio from the optical audio out jack to the AVR as well.

I am using this feature so that I can get audio from my samsung's Smart Hub w/o having to use a separate optical cable. Also, it makes it easier on the wife so that the amps and the avr turns off when she simply turns off the tv.

One issue I am having trouble figuring out though is when I first turn on the equipment it initially displays the last used source (usually the SAT/CBL) for only about 10 seconds but then switches over to the TV source, which obviously forces me to hit the SAT/CBL button to go back. Any idea what is causing this? This just starting happening once i enabled the HDMI Control/AnyNet functions on the AVR and Samsung. I tried setting the HDMI Control's Standby source to be HDMI3 (SAT/CBL) instead of the default "Last"setting but that didnt work either....
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post #17945 of 21945
6/10/12 at 7:27am
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

^^^
i said i'd only make one comment on that subject, so i will stick to my word...
however, i will make a general comment... just because doing something correctly is difficult, that does not mean that doing it incorrectly then becomes correct...

So I correctly surmised that you continue to maintain the position that without lab-level SPL control in place we HT enthusists are deluding ourselves if we believe we are doing valid, repeatable comparisons helpful in making everyday decisions regarding our hobby gear by using the techniques I've described.

You may have noticed that I don't bring up this topic unless you do. Chris, we agree on so much, but not on this so let's please resume our gentlemanly agreement to agree to disagree and not rehash it. smile.gif

yes, i do...

hey, as long as you guys don't put "level matched" (or other jargon) in your posts, i'll remain quiet... when you do, i'm going to call people on it... it's either level matched, or it's not, and while you may be satisfied with your methodology, it's flawed...

darnit... i was really only gonna make one comment... frown.gif i hate getting sucked into these discussions...
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post #17946 of 21945
6/10/12 at 7:45am
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

yes, i do...
hey, as long as you guys don't put "level matched" (or other jargon) in your posts, i'll remain quiet... when you do, i'm going to call people on it... it's either level matched, or it's not, and while you may be satisfied with your methodology, it's flawed...
darnit... i was really only gonna make one comment... frown.gif i hate getting sucked into these discussions...

Chris,

I understand and respect your thoughts on this smile.gif. I know the informal and unscientific comparisons I do would never measure up to any real scrutiny. But I do these comparisons for my own peace of mine. I might post my thoughts on what I personally find to sound better to me. But I know quite well that no matter what methodology I might use it will always be questioned. Thats fine with me as everyone will have different thoughts on what sounds better in their room with their components. I'm just not really interested in getting into the "scientific" aspect of this hobby as it takes all the fun out of it for me. I know many might disagree with this mindset but thats cool wink.gif.

Bill
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post #17947 of 21945
6/10/12 at 8:26am
With respect, you do not need a lab-grade or even NIST-traceable SPL meter to do level comparisons. Since you only need relative levels, just use whatever you have and match as close as possible (preferably within 0.1 dB, but that may be tough) using a test tone. That assumes nothing else changes (same amp, speakers, placement, etc.) or all bets are off whether it's a lab-grade meter or not.

No problem with personal preference so long as it is not stated as an absolute. In fact, I rarely if ever use absolutes because there is a always a counter example.
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post #17948 of 21945
6/10/12 at 10:16am
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

yes, i do...
hey, as long as you guys don't put "level matched" (or other jargon) in your posts, i'll remain quiet... when you do, i'm going to call people on it... it's either level matched, or it's not, and while you may be satisfied with your methodology, it's flawed...
darnit... i was really only gonna make one comment... frown.gif i hate getting sucked into these discussions...

Hey, Chris, out of my respect for you I will also curtail my response. I will return to the following policy that I've been following on this matter:

When I see that you have felt compelled to post some derogatory comment about the standard practice, commonly-used-and-respected "level-match" that I described in detail above, then I will feel compelled to call BS on your stance on accuracy, which is both unnecessary and impractical for our purposes. wink.gif
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post #17949 of 21945
6/10/12 at 10:45am
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

SoM,
Could you post a link to specific posts in the 4010 thread discussing your thoughts on DL. I'm a bit under the weather today but would like to read about your thoughts on this. Have you been able to compare any of the Oppo players with DSD Direct to that of Denon players with DL using DSD? I'm curious if one compared the two players connected to the 4311/A100 if one could tell any differences between DSD Direct with HDMI to that of DL.
Bill

Bill, get well soon. Here's a brief post on the 4010 thread about some of my thoughts on DenonLink. I posted more of my "thoughts", for what they're worth wink.gif- and got the thoughts of quite a few others- on the "Does DenonLink really matter?" thread, which is here .

Having already established for myself that using the Oppo 83SE in any Direct mode in the 4311, thus bypassing XT32, decreased overall SQ significantly (to my ears with my gear in my room) I don't think including a DSD Direct test state crossed my mind when testing DenonLink.

The actual A/B comparison posts start here and go on over the next few posts, as I compared the various shiny disc formats.
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post #17950 of 21945
6/10/12 at 12:02pm
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Originally Posted by 67jason View Post

I am the friend that jsil had over, let me see if I can explain what we were experiencing.
Running freq response sweeps in order to help us find the best spot for his sub, we noticed that his center channel was putting out a lot of sound when running the really low freq sweeps, 10hz, 20hz and 30hz. We verified that his center was set to small and crossed at 80z. I can understand getting some noise from the center channel at say 50ish hz and above, but at 10 and 20hz???...and not just a little, the sound was more prominent from the center then it was from the sub, and his sub is more then capable of playing the low freq test tones, and yet we got virtually no sound from it until 30hz to 40hz tones.
the 10 and 20hz tones were coming from the center.. we were both confused as to weather this is normal or not. Interestingly though, there was no noticeable sounds coming from the mains until around 50-60hz tones. volume on the avr was set between -10 and -15 for the duration.
I have the same test tone disk as jsil does and when I got home I ran the sweeps through my set up (onkyo 809 and polk montor 70s, 60s, 30s and cs2 and dual psw505's for subs). I noticed a very small amount of content coming from my center when running the really low freq tones. My center is set to small and crossed at 80hz,. What I experienced was nothing like the almost overwhelming sounds coming from jsils center. granted his center is better then mine in just about every way, but the cs2 is no slouch and is a pretty capable for a budget center speaker.
We are both confused as to why so much content is coming from jsil's center when running the ultra low and low frequency test tones. We turned audyssey off and tried the sweeps again and got virtually no sound from any speaker including the sub until around 40hz. If anyone can give some advice or explanation as to what we were experiencing it would be most appreciated.

Several questions:

1. What speaker is he using for his CC?

2. How do you know you are not hearing the sub when you think you're hearing the center? I'm pretty confident in saying there is not a mainstream CC in existence that can generate significant energy at 10 Hz, and not a lot of subs. At those frequencies, you should not be able to locate the source of the sound...it just "happens". It is also possible if that if the CC is located near a room mode for one of those freqs the energy from the sub could be vibrating the CC's LF driver and grill cloth. It's also possible the sub could be located near a null. What made you think the sound was coming from the CC? Honestly at 10-20 Hz the most obvious sensation you should experience is objects vibrating, as opposed to "hearing" a distinct pitch.

3. The 4311's HP filter slope is 12 dB/octave. Since 30 Hz is just a bit more than an octave below 80 Hz, I would not be surprised if the CC were producing some audible output at 30 Hz, assuming it is capable of doing that. You're only 12+ dB down at 30 Hz.

What you experience in your room (as opposed to his) at those LFs could be completely different even if you were using the same speakers, amps, etc.
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post #17951 of 21945
6/10/12 at 11:19pm
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Originally Posted by russ_777 View Post

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Originally Posted by 67jason View Post

I am the friend that jsil had over, let me see if I can explain what we were experiencing.
Running freq response sweeps in order to help us find the best spot for his sub, we noticed that his center channel was putting out a lot of sound when running the really low freq sweeps, 10hz, 20hz and 30hz. We verified that his center was set to small and crossed at 80z. I can understand getting some noise from the center channel at say 50ish hz and above, but at 10 and 20hz???...and not just a little, the sound was more prominent from the center then it was from the sub, and his sub is more then capable of playing the low freq test tones, and yet we got virtually no sound from it until 30hz to 40hz tones.
the 10 and 20hz tones were coming from the center.. we were both confused as to weather this is normal or not. Interestingly though, there was no noticeable sounds coming from the mains until around 50-60hz tones. volume on the avr was set between -10 and -15 for the duration.
I have the same test tone disk as jsil does and when I got home I ran the sweeps through my set up (onkyo 809 and polk montor 70s, 60s, 30s and cs2 and dual psw505's for subs). I noticed a very small amount of content coming from my center when running the really low freq tones. My center is set to small and crossed at 80hz,. What I experienced was nothing like the almost overwhelming sounds coming from jsils center. granted his center is better then mine in just about every way, but the cs2 is no slouch and is a pretty capable for a budget center speaker.
We are both confused as to why so much content is coming from jsil's center when running the ultra low and low frequency test tones. We turned audyssey off and tried the sweeps again and got virtually no sound from any speaker including the sub until around 40hz. If anyone can give some advice or explanation as to what we were experiencing it would be most appreciated.

Several questions:

1. What speaker is he using for his CC?

2. How do you know you are not hearing the sub when you think you're hearing the center? I'm pretty confident in saying there is not a mainstream CC in existence that can generate significant energy at 10 Hz, and not a lot of subs. At those frequencies, you should not be able to locate the source of the sound...it just "happens". It is also possible if that if the CC is located near a room mode for one of those freqs the energy from the sub could be vibrating the CC's LF driver and grill cloth. It's also possible the sub could be located near a null. What made you think the sound was coming from the CC? Honestly at 10-20 Hz the most obvious sensation you should experience is objects vibrating, as opposed to "hearing" a distinct pitch.

3. The 4311's HP filter slope is 12 dB/octave. Since 30 Hz is just a bit more than an octave below 80 Hz, I would not be surprised if the CC were producing some audible output at 30 Hz, assuming it is capable of doing that. You're only 12+ dB down at 30 Hz.

What you experience in your room (as opposed to his) at those LFs could be completely different even if you were using the same speakers, amps, etc.

the center in question is a KEF Q600 with whatever the matching kef mains are for it...I forget the model numbers (jsil care comment?) I am pretty sure the center is more then capable to 40hz, likely to 30hz but not sure. The question is though why is so much of the sound of the the low frequency tones being emitted from the center which is crossed at 80hz and not much much more prevalent through the sub, especially one as capable as the hsu jsil owns?

i guess honestly i cannot say for sure that all the sound is coming from the center, but the drivers in the center are moving like crazy (you can see and feel them moving) and sticking our heads near the center, the mains and the sub, we both agree that most of what we heard is from the center and nothing noticeable from the mains, and very little coming from the sub. We also were not feeling much impact either (his room is treated, but he may still have some nodes causing issues...don't know for sure at this point without proper measurements).

I agree that we shouldn't be hearing much at all when running the ultra low freq sweeps, we should be feeling it more then hearing it and I also agree and understand that our two rooms and gear are different and cannot be used as exact comparisons, however what we experienced in jsil's room struck us as odd and that is why I performed the same sweep on my gear just to see what it would do.
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post #17952 of 21945
6/11/12 at 7:16am
I just got my 4311CI (a little less than a week ago) from Electronics Expo for an awesome price. They were awesome on the phone and when I ordered it two weeks earlier I knew that it was a pre-order and it was out of stock, but I still got an email from them apologizing about the wait. heh. Two weeks later and its here.

Anyhow I wasn't originally going to buy a receiver just yet (as its for a home theater I am building) but this receiver fits all my needs (including 11.2 which I was beginning to give up on in my price range) and the deal was so good and the time frame short enough that I had to push the button. I'm glad I did because I don't see a much better deal coming along in the next few months.

I love the features of this guy but its definitely a lot more complicated to use than my old Onkyo SR705. The multi zone functionality definitely makes the amp interaction a bit more confusing. I love the AirPlay support but this thing cant seem to enumerate my Windows box media files through the DLNA interface. It finds the share, but no files (and I have a lot of them). My PS3 cant do this either so I'm not sure if the permissions on my folder hierarchy aren't right or something...

All in all a great amp. I am no looking for speakers to use with it in the final home theater (I currently have a MFW-15 which Im keeping and a bunch of Definitive Technology speakers, but the DTs arent really appropriate for a dedicated theater with an AT screen).
Edited by fcaico - 6/11/12 at 8:52am
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post #17953 of 21945
6/11/12 at 7:20am
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Originally Posted by 67jason View Post

I agree that we shouldn't be hearing much at all when running the ultra low freq sweeps, we should be feeling it more then hearing it and I also agree and understand that our two rooms and gear are different and cannot be used as exact comparisons, however what we experienced in jsil's room struck us as odd and that is why I performed the same sweep on my gear just to see what it would do.

Odd that you mention this... I put in a sweep disc with my system and definitely heard A LOT more sound at the low sweeps than I ever heard with the same speakers in my old room with my Onkyo SR705 receiver.
With a sweep disc starting at 10 hz I could immediately hear it (though I didnt check the center specifically) and it didnt "sound" like a 10hz tone, it sounded alot higher.

I was thinking that it might be room gain? I dont know, but those same sweeps were almost silent in my old room.
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post #17954 of 21945
6/11/12 at 7:21am
fcaico,

Careful... make sure to read the entire name of the thread. smile.gif
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post #17955 of 21945
6/11/12 at 8:41am
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Originally Posted by Nickff View Post

fcaico,
Careful... make sure to read the entire name of the thread. smile.gif

Excuse me? I thought both of my posts were directly relevant..
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post #17956 of 21945
6/11/12 at 8:42am
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Originally Posted by fcaico View Post

Excuse me? I thought both of my posts were directly relevant..

The "Official" Denon AVR-4311CI/AVR-A100 thread [NO PRICE TALK]
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post #17957 of 21945
6/11/12 at 8:51am
Woopsy! Ill fix that!!!! I thought I was being accused of thread hi-jacking! :-)
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post #17958 of 21945
6/11/12 at 8:59am
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Originally Posted by fcaico View Post

Woopsy! Ill fix that!!!! I thought I was being accused of thread hi-jacking! :-)

No problem - enjoy the new 4311! I've been very happy with mine.
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post #17959 of 21945
6/11/12 at 11:34am
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Originally Posted by 67jason View Post

the center in question is a KEF Q600 with whatever the matching kef mains are for it...I forget the model numbers (jsil care comment?) I am pretty sure the center is more then capable to 40hz, likely to 30hz but not sure. The question is though why is so much of the sound of the the low frequency tones being emitted from the center which is crossed at 80hz and not much much more prevalent through the sub, especially one as capable as the hsu jsil owns?
i guess honestly i cannot say for sure that all the sound is coming from the center, but the drivers in the center are moving like crazy (you can see and feel them moving) and sticking our heads near the center, the mains and the sub, we both agree that most of what we heard is from the center and nothing noticeable from the mains, and very little coming from the sub. We also were not feeling much impact either (his room is treated, but he may still have some nodes causing issues...don't know for sure at this point without proper measurements).
I agree that we shouldn't be hearing much at all when running the ultra low freq sweeps, we should be feeling it more then hearing it and I also agree and understand that our two rooms and gear are different and cannot be used as exact comparisons, however what we experienced in jsil's room struck us as odd and that is why I performed the same sweep on my gear just to see what it would do.

Try repeating the same test with the Q600 unplugged, and then with the SW unplugged.

Also, how high up in frequency are the test sweeps going?
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6/11/12 at 11:59am
My fronts are KEF Q900 and I did test sweeps in 2ch stereo yesterday. My fronts I could hear the test tones at 40Hz and sub at 20Hz. The test sweeps are from 10Hz to 100Hz.
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6/11/12 at 1:19pm
Hello,

I recently purchased one of these units and am very happy with it so far. I am using it in a 7.1 configuration in a small, dedicated theater room. It replaced an Integra DTR-6.5 and the audio difference is amazing. However, there is one thing the Integra did that I liked, that I'm unsure if I can get the 4311 to do. That is, I am also using the receiver's Zone 2 preouts to feed a Russound whole-home amp, so I can listen to local FM radio programming in other rooms of my house by using Russound Uno 1 wall controllers. These are fairly primitive, and don't offer any real ability to control the A/V receiver's Zone 2 itself, so by necessity the Zone 2 preouts need to be continually active. With the Integra, when the main zone was off but Zone 2 was active, the receiver's display was dark (with the exception of a "Zone 2" LED being lit). With the 4311, when I have Zone 2 switched on, the display continually reads "MAIN ZONE OFF", even though I have the "dimmer' setting at "off" in the dimmer menu. The only time the display is black is when the main zone is active (or when the unit is completely switched off).

So, long story short, I'm wondering if there is a way to have the display "off" (dark) while the main zone is off, with Zone 2 active. Because I want to have Zone 2 switched on 24/7, I don't want to prematurely "age" the receiver's display. TIA -
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6/11/12 at 1:32pm
@jsil/jason...

just to check... ensure that the "2 channel direct/stereo" settings are set to "basic"... or if they are set to custom, make sure the settings (small, etc.) are correct...

to do this.... "setup", "manual setup", "audio setup", "2 ch direct/stereo"...

note: this wouldn't affect the center, but it would effect it when run in stereo (which i believe you mentioned you tried as well)...
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6/11/12 at 1:41pm
@morty...

methinks you are over worrying... wink.gif
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post #17964 of 21945
6/11/12 at 2:17pm
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So, long story short, I'm wondering if there is a way to have the display "off" (dark) while the main zone is off, with Zone 2 active. Because I want to have Zone 2 switched on 24/7, I don't want to prematurely "age" the receiver's display. TIA -

Not sure you're really gaining anything by turning the Main Zone to OFF (ie. power draw is likely the same either way) so one way to accomplish your goal is to leave it ON, and select the PURE DIRECT mode which will turn off the front panel display.
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6/11/12 at 4:51pm
We chose to bi-amplify our front left and right speakers and add in rear surrounds for a 7.2 speaker arrangement. Over the course of our audition we ran Audyssey’s set-up routine seven different times using two specific measurement locations. We ran it twice on each speaker system and then once again to test the differences in results when we allowed Audyssey four measurement positions instead of just two. In every case, the result we got from Audyssey varied. The measurements for speaker level remained fairly constant, but the distance settings and EQ settings were all over the map. Sometimes the results were pretty good, other times not so much. The bass response, however, was consistently improved. During the audition we toggled Audyssey on and off along with both the dynamic EQ and dynamic volume settings and generally preferred the sound we got with all of the above turned off. smile.gif

Read more: http://www.digitaltrends.com/receivers-separates-amps-reviews/denon-avr-4311ci-review/#ixzz1xX0du3Do
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6/11/12 at 5:07pm
Quick Question...

Is it normal for the dots on the AVR's front display to vary in light level?

Meaning if I look at a upper case A the - in the middle of the A is actually brighter than the /\ (just as an example). Letters like an upper case M have different levels throughout but the dots are symmetrical in their level.

I came up empty on a search but would like varification in case this is a defect and the unit needs to be returned for a faulty display.

I also have a new 1712 that does not show this same behavior, nor does my 3 year old Marantz.

Thank You!

Jason
Edited by DaGamePimp - 6/11/12 at 5:15pm
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6/11/12 at 5:09pm
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Originally Posted by DD007 View Post

We chose to bi-amplify our front left and right speakers and add in rear surrounds for a 7.2 speaker arrangement. Over the course of our audition we ran Audyssey’s set-up routine seven different times using two specific measurement locations. We ran it twice on each speaker system and then once again to test the differences in results when we allowed Audyssey four measurement positions instead of just two. In every case, the result we got from Audyssey varied. The measurements for speaker level remained fairly constant, but the distance settings and EQ settings were all over the map. Sometimes the results were pretty good, other times not so much. The bass response, however, was consistently improved. During the audition we toggled Audyssey on and off along with both the dynamic EQ and dynamic volume settings and generally preferred the sound we got with all of the above turned off. smile.gif
Read more: http://www.digitaltrends.com/receivers-separates-amps-reviews/denon-avr-4311ci-review/#ixzz1xX0du3Do

This is an old review. I've never understood why when Audyssey recommends running all 8 mic positions for the best results, reviewers generally fail to heed that suggestion and only run 2 or 4 positions as is the case with this review.
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6/11/12 at 5:30pm
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Originally Posted by DaGamePimp View Post

Quick Question...
Is it normal for the dots on the AVR's front display to vary in light level?
Meaning if I look at a upper case A the - in the middle of the A is actually brighter than the /\ (just as an example). Letters like an upper case M have different levels throughout but the dots are symmetrical in their level.
I came up empty on a search but would like varification in case this is a defect and the unit needs to be returned for a faulty display.
I also have a new 1712 that does not show this same behavior, nor does my 3 year old Marantz.
Thank You!
Jason

I don't notice anything like that on mine. Are you able to return your open box 4311? Not sure if BB will take it back.
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post #17969 of 21945
6/11/12 at 7:35pm
Got the 4311 in the mail today (yippeeeee!). All is good so far except a couple questions:

1. With my harmony 1100, the volume doesn't work on it. Any ideas?

2. When Audyssey ran, it detected the center channel as out of phase. I checked the speaker connection to the AVR and it looked fine so I ignored it and continued. After the fact I decided to check the back of the speaker, sure enough black/red was backwards (bonehead installers =^/) It's been like that the whole time and I didn't even know, even with my other AVR...Anyways, I switched the wires around to how they should be, do I need to run audyssey again or should it be fine?
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post #17970 of 21945
6/11/12 at 7:38pm
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Originally Posted by jconjason View Post

I don't notice anything like that on mine. Are you able to return your open box 4311? Not sure if BB will take it back.

Oh yeah I can return it, but probably no exchange since they only have new in box units left and it's highly unlikely they will swap for one of those at what I paid.

I have to get right up at the display to see it, my wife does not see it so it's likely others may not notice as well unless they really try to see it.

I did the processor reset already, no change, and changing the Dimmer setting does not alter it either.

Thanks,

Jason
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