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post #18781 of 21934
8/7/12 at 6:11pm
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ok, then it is 100% a handshake issue. If it's not too much trouble, you could consider running an SPDIF cable (optical or coax) from the cable box in addition to the HDMI and use that for audio, then the 5.1 bitstream would never be subject to handshake problems. You would need to assign both to the same input name and then set INPUT MODE to "Digital" to force the HDMI video + SPDIF audio combo, and of course set the dish box to output audio from the digital out instead of HDMI.

Yeah, I think that's a good idea... except I'm using spdif out on the DVR for a remotely located TV, along with a long component video run eek.gif

Since I so seldom use the little LCD tv (it's just for setup, and the occasional DVD-A I haven't put on the server) I think I won't encounter it too much. A little more playing and time, and I'll know whether I need to get more creative!
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post #18782 of 21934
8/7/12 at 6:43pm
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Thanks for sharing. Does the 2312 also have "Network Standby" enabled? Every time you turned off the 4311, was she then reselecting MyNet again?

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This demonstrates why the concept of pairing is so important. Fortunately, you didn't end up running into a conflict where your daughter actually needed the app that was causing the problem. But what happens if a guest who actually does use the app comes over to visit and connects to your wireless network? Just as there typically is with Bluetooth, there should be some sort of pairing mechanism between these apps and devices so we don't have to worry about this sort of problem. I'm glad you figured out what was causing this as I can imagine that it was pretty frustrating until you did.
Thanks jd and gsr for the reply and the interest. jd the avr 2312 is configured the same way as the avr 4311 (static ip settings,etc and standby also enabled ) once the app Mynet has been enabled and without doing anything the avr 4311 would fire up from standby. Even when it (Mynet) was disabled but not even going near that app the avr 4311 would start again from standby until the Tablet was cycled and with Mynet being disabled before the restart then the 4311 would be left alone. Strange but as noted the avr 2312 wasn’t effected at all. Also if the avr 4311 is operating the tablet had no effect whether the app was enabled or disabled. Good point gsr about someone accessing our home network and causing a problem but I’ll just have to see if and when that happens I suppose. My Daughter doesn’t care about that app at all (no remove option for it unfortunately) but she will try some other apps when she downloads them. Thanks Guys
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post #18783 of 21934
8/8/12 at 5:22am
@nathan_h,
Fyi there are SPDIF splitters available
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post #18784 of 21934
8/8/12 at 8:18am
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Originally Posted by tc1 View Post

@nathan_h,
Fyi there are SPDIF splitters available

I may invest in one. I have a super cheap monoprice one that doesn't work well --- probably need to step up to a powered one if I do go that way -- but since that one incident, it has been working well. Not sure why -- perhaps I'm paying more attention to not using the second monitor.

Thanks!
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post #18785 of 21934
8/8/12 at 8:22am
this entire ADFM setting deal is amusing to me. I'm going to experiment the hell out of it tonight.

I am married with a child now so it will be a welcome break.

christ was that pathetic.

James
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post #18786 of 21934
8/8/12 at 10:15am
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Originally Posted by mastermaybe View Post

this entire ADFM setting deal is amusing to me. I'm going to experiment the hell out of it tonight.
I am married with a child now so it will be a welcome break.
christ was that pathetic.
James
Although my back surround speaker is working the way I want it to, I went into the web interface just to check on ADFM setting(Off) in my setup. What I discovered was that it was already off, but it was also grayed out with just a *** which does not allow me to change the setting(if I wanted to). I looked for another place where I might change that setting, but could not find any other location which mentions the ADFM at all. So exactly where in the menu does one go to change the ADFM setting just in case I ever find the need to do so.
Thanks!
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post #18787 of 21934
8/8/12 at 10:39pm
A couple of questions guys. A s the new owner of AVR 4311 I’ve noticed that if I’m streaming an internet radio station the time indicator when it hits 59 minutes and 59 seconds (59:59) resets back to 00:00 and doesn’t reset to 1 hour and zero seconds (01:00:00) as my AVR 2312 does. Is that just the way the AVR 4311 is configured or there is a user setting that I can change to read the same way. Also I’ve noticed that if when I’m playing a CD (CD player input is digital) that if the output setting is stereo or direct stereo the AL24 indicator lights up on the front panel but goes out if multi channel stereo is set as output. No big deal but I can’t find the info in the owner’s manual. I’m sure with all the smart and knowledgeable people on this forum someone will know the answer. Thanks guys, Regards Wassa
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post #18788 of 21934
8/9/12 at 9:43am
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A couple of questions guys. A s the new owner of AVR 4311 I’ve noticed that if I’m streaming an internet radio station the time indicator when it hits 59 minutes and 59 seconds (59:59) resets back to 00:00 and doesn’t reset to 1 hour and zero seconds (01:00:00) as my AVR 2312 does. Is that just the way the AVR 4311 is configured or there is a user setting that I can change to read the same way. Also I’ve noticed that if when I’m playing a CD (CD player input is digital) that if the output setting is stereo or direct stereo the AL24 indicator lights up on the front panel but goes out if multi channel stereo is set as output. No big deal but I can’t find the info in the owner’s manual. I’m sure with all the smart and knowledgeable people on this forum someone will know the answer. Thanks guys, Regards Wassa
I haven't streamed much internet radio on my new 4311 yet, so I can't say for certain that the time goes beyond 59 minutes, but I know that the 4310 I had before DID go beyond 59 minutes, so I would guess that the 4311 would as well. i am not aware of any setting to change this behavior of the time count as I know I did not make any setting for this in the 4310 nor have I made any setting in the 4311. Not sure why yours would behave this way. You might try unplugging the unit for about 10 minutes and then see if that corrects the time count.
As for the AL24, I believe the behavior you describe is correct; AL24 does not apply to any of the "processed" audio output such as Dolby PLxII, etc. It only applies to normal stereo output. I hope this helps!
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post #18789 of 21934
8/9/12 at 10:16am
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As for the AL24, I believe the behavior you describe is correct; AL24 does not apply to any of the "processed" audio output such as Dolby PLxII, etc. It only applies to normal stereo output. I hope this helps!

right, AFAIK it will only work when playing PCM signals in a "native" format (no upmixing). You will also get it with multich PCM.
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post #18790 of 21934
8/9/12 at 10:18am
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Originally Posted by mastermaybe View Post

this entire ADFM setting deal is amusing to me. I'm going to experiment the hell out of it tonight.
I am married with a child now so it will be a welcome break.
christ was that pathetic.
James
Although my back surround speaker is working the way I want it to, I went into the web interface just to check on ADFM setting(Off) in my setup. What I discovered was that it was already off, but it was also grayed out with just a *** which does not allow me to change the setting(if I wanted to). I looked for another place where I might change that setting, but could not find any other location which mentions the ADFM at all. So exactly where in the menu does one go to change the ADFM setting just in case I ever find the need to do so.
Thanks!

have you checked the GUI itself (on the receiver, not the web browser)? It's possible that this setting is only an option if you have 2 surr.back speakers. With only one surr.back speaker there wouldn't be any reason to override the "flag" for a 6.1 track (DD-EX or DTS-ES) and for a 5.1 track you would just use the Surr.Back menu to determine how to matrix that 6th channel.

Or it could be a function of the input signal you are receiving.
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post #18791 of 21934
8/9/12 at 11:53am
Indulge me please...

I currently have the 3311ci. Had it for about a year+ now. It really hasn't given me any issues. But lets say I can get a 4311ci for right around $1k from an authorized dealer. Im trying to figure out if upgrading and selling the 3311ci would be even mildly worth it in your opinion of course. Here is what I have:

Currently running the 3311ci with an Emo XPA-5 driving the front 3 channels (bi-amped the fromt L+R as to use all channels)
5.2 system consisting of:
Paradigm Studio 100's V2 (FL + FR)
Paradigm Studio CC-590 center
Polk Monitor 40 surrounds (upgrade in the works to used Studio 40's)
1 Rythmik F15 sub
1 Emo Ultra 12 sub
Room Size 14 x 20 with 48" opening to dining/living room
Mostly watch Action and horror movies on my Oppo- BDP93 (30%), TV 30% and Music (Pop, Rock and Gospel) 40%.
Room is mildly treated.
Music is kept at fairly moderate levels. However, my movies, I like it loud and abnixious.

I have had a heck of a time EQing my subs correctly. I do not own measuring equipment other than an RS meter.

In my situation would the upgrade from XT to XT32 be worth the price of admission in your opinion? I've also considered the idea of ditching the amp, but I really have not experimented with using the amp verses the AVR to drive my speaker set. If I come to find out the Emo is not providing any tangible benefit to my ears, then selling the 3311ci and the Emo would likely pay for the upgrade....Just random thoughts...perhaps trying to justify upgrading to the AVR I wanted in the first place when I bought the 3311ci...

Thanks.
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post #18792 of 21934
8/9/12 at 12:01pm
considering you have dual subs and commented "I have had a heck of a time EQing my subs correctly", then for sure it will be worth it. XT32 is much better than XT, and the added bonus of SubEQ HT for your dual subs will be a big step forward.
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post #18793 of 21934
8/9/12 at 12:11pm
@mde...

in your shoes, it's worth MORE than the price of admission... smile.gif
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post #18794 of 21934
8/9/12 at 12:14pm
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Originally Posted by mde8965 View Post

Indulge me please...
I currently have the 3311ci. Had it for about a year+ now. It really hasn't given me any issues. But lets say I can get a 4311ci for right around $1k from an authorized dealer. Im trying to figure out if upgrading and selling the 3311ci would be even mildly worth it in your opinion of course. Here is what I have:
Currently running the 3311ci with an Emo XPA-5 driving the front 3 channels (bi-amped the fromt L+R as to use all channels)
5.2 system consisting of:
Paradigm Studio 100's V2 (FL + FR)
Paradigm Studio CC-590 center
Polk Monitor 40 surrounds (upgrade in the works to used Studio 40's)
1 Rythmik F15 sub
1 Emo Ultra 12 sub
Room Size 14 x 20 with 48" opening to dining/living room
Mostly watch Action and horror movies on my Oppo- BDP93 (30%), TV 30% and Music (Pop, Rock and Gospel) 40%.
Room is mildly treated.
Music is kept at fairly moderate levels. However, my movies, I like it loud and abnixious.
I have had a heck of a time EQing my subs correctly. I do not own measuring equipment other than an RS meter.
In my situation would the upgrade from XT to XT32 be worth the price of admission in your opinion? I've also considered the idea of ditching the amp, but I really have not experimented with using the amp verses the AVR to drive my speaker set. If I come to find out the Emo is not providing any tangible benefit to my ears, then selling the 3311ci and the Emo would likely pay for the upgrade....Just random thoughts...perhaps trying to justify upgrading to the AVR I wanted in the first place when I bought the 3311ci...
Thanks.
Ditto what Batpig said above. I came from a 4310 to the 4311 and the upgrade to Audyysey alone was worth it and I don't even have dual subs. With the dual subs and the problem setting them up that you mentioned even strengthens the case further. Finally, I added an Emotiva XPA-5 to my setup and found more detail even though I don't play my music terribly loud. I even went so far as to add another two channel amp (NAD) to essentially replace all of the Denon's amps. I think the Denon sounds very good, but, again, found more detail and clarity with the extra amps. i personally would not ditch the Emotiva since you already have it, but if that is the only way you can swing the new Denon, I would rather have the 4311 than the old AVR with the external amp. Hope this helps your decision making!
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post #18795 of 21934
8/9/12 at 12:17pm
re...Batpig and Chris.

Thanks for the quick replies. I kinda knew that might be the answer. Decisions...decisions...
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post #18796 of 21934
8/9/12 at 3:38pm
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Originally Posted by mde8965 View Post

...In my situation would the upgrade from XT to XT32 be worth the price of admission in your opinion?...
Add my vice to the consensus answer of "YES!"

Here's a quick review based on my Denon upgrades: irt SQ, a more powerful version of Audyssey always wins (and moving up the model line certainly doesn't hurt either):
789 MultEQ < 988 (MultEQXT) <4310 (MultEQXT)<4311 (MultEQXT32)
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post #18797 of 21934
8/9/12 at 4:24pm
^^^

lol... nice little freudian slip there...

audyssey as a vice... i suppose for some who are way down the rabbit hole, it is... tongue.gif
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post #18798 of 21934
8/9/12 at 4:25pm
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Originally Posted by mde8965 View Post

re...Batpig and Chris.

Thanks for the quick replies. I kinda knew that might be the answer. Decisions...decisions...

well, xt32 is the "killer app" on the unit... and that "killer app" is exactly what you need... smile.gif
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post #18799 of 21934
8/9/12 at 5:49pm
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

^^^
lol... nice little freudian slip there...
audyssey as a vice... tongue.gif
redface.gifbiggrin.gif
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post #18800 of 21934
8/9/12 at 8:46pm
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Originally Posted by Redbeemer View Post

I haven't streamed much internet radio on my new 4311 yet, so I can't say for certain that the time goes beyond 59 minutes, but I know that the 4310 I had before DID go beyond 59 minutes, so I would guess that the 4311 would as well. i am not aware of any setting to change this behavior of the time count as I know I did not make any setting for this in the 4310 nor have I made any setting in the 4311. Not sure why yours would behave this way. You might try unplugging the unit for about 10 minutes and then see if that corrects the time count.
As for the AL24, I believe the behavior you describe is correct; AL24 does not apply to any of the "processed" audio output such as Dolby PLxII, etc. It only applies to normal stereo output. I hope this helps!

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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

right, AFAIK it will only work when playing PCM signals in a "native" format (no upmixing). You will also get it with multich PCM.
Thanks Redbeemer and Batpig for the input, As I said no biggie but I have rung Audio Products Group here in Sydney (Denon agents) and they couldn’t shed any light about the time indicator going past 59: 59 either. They did suggest seeing what the TV screen shows after 59:59 as apposed to what the front of the AVR 4311 shows. Also noted that different markets may have different settings too! Redbeemer the guy that I spoke to has an AVR 4310 also but has never taken note of what the time display does after hitting 59:59. They did tell me that the AL 24 processor plus icon only comes on as you guys had explained. I’ll post again about this curious matter if anything else comes to light. Thanks again lads
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post #18801 of 21934
8/10/12 at 5:56am
I am a new owner of the 4311ci but am very much still in tweaking mode. I must be doing something wrong in setup as I just dont hear the Audessey benefits so many on this board rave about. I will cycle through the Audessey setting from XT32 to flat, bypass l/r, and manual and honestly am not blown away by the difference. Audessey had my fronts set to Large and I changed them to Small as suggested. After doing this do I need to always use Audessey Manual for this to take affect?
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post #18802 of 21934
8/10/12 at 6:07am
More information on your room, equipment and how you ran your initial Audessey setup (# of point measured, what you used to "hold" the mic, tripod/boom/or stack pillows) would help to answer your questions better. Normally there isn't much "tweaking" involved with Audessey so more info on what you mean by that would also be beneficial. Thanks.
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post #18803 of 21934
8/10/12 at 6:39am
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More information on your room, equipment and how you ran your initial Audessey setup (# of point measured, what you used to "hold" the mic, tripod/boom/or stack pillows) would help to answer your questions better. Normally there isn't much "tweaking" involved with Audessey so more info on what you mean by that would also be beneficial. Thanks.

Room is 20x20 7.1 setup. Paradigm Studio 60's L/R and Paradigm Studio Center. B&W CCM663 surrounds L/R and Surround Rears L/R and HSU VTF-2 Sub. I ran Audessey using my photography tripod at ear height at 8 points as per what I read here(close from main listening seat). One note, the HSU sub is an older VTF-2 and the amp is not working properly. I cannot get it to under 90db during the setup so therefore Audessey takes it down to -12db and makes the speakers Large with -40hz crossover point. This basically nullify's the Sub altogether so I manually changed the setup to "Small" and increased the sub to -7db output on the 4311. Also, I have a brand new HSU VTF-2 Mk4 sub coming next week so that will solve the sub issue.

In meantime, when I manually change the speaker setup do I then need to run Audessey Manual for those changes to take affect?
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post #18804 of 21934
8/10/12 at 6:55am
^^
No, "Manual" mode actually disables Audyssey. You can make adjustments to the crossovers and LARGE/SMALL without impacting Audyssey. If you cannot lower the sub gain/volume any further, then leave the sub trim at -12db until you replace the sub.
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post #18805 of 21934
8/10/12 at 7:51am
You can also pick up an in-line attenuator to reduce the level into the sub. It looks like a little barrel (short tube) with RCA in/out (also available in XLR form).
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post #18806 of 21934
8/10/12 at 8:23am
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Originally Posted by mde8965 View Post

Indulge me please...
I currently have the 3311ci. Had it for about a year+ now. It really hasn't given me any issues. But lets say I can get a 4311ci for right around $1k from an authorized dealer. Im trying to figure out if upgrading and selling the 3311ci would be even mildly worth it in your opinion of course. Here is what I have:
Currently running the 3311ci with an Emo XPA-5 driving the front 3 channels (bi-amped the fromt L+R as to use all channels)
5.2 system consisting of:
Paradigm Studio 100's V2 (FL + FR)
Paradigm Studio CC-590 center
Polk Monitor 40 surrounds (upgrade in the works to used Studio 40's)
1 Rythmik F15 sub
1 Emo Ultra 12 sub
Room Size 14 x 20 with 48" opening to dining/living room
Mostly watch Action and horror movies on my Oppo- BDP93 (30%), TV 30% and Music (Pop, Rock and Gospel) 40%.
Room is mildly treated.
Music is kept at fairly moderate levels. However, my movies, I like it loud and abnixious.
I have had a heck of a time EQing my subs correctly. I do not own measuring equipment other than an RS meter.
In my situation would the upgrade from XT to XT32 be worth the price of admission in your opinion? I've also considered the idea of ditching the amp, but I really have not experimented with using the amp verses the AVR to drive my speaker set. If I come to find out the Emo is not providing any tangible benefit to my ears, then selling the 3311ci and the Emo would likely pay for the upgrade....Just random thoughts...perhaps trying to justify upgrading to the AVR I wanted in the first place when I bought the 3311ci...
Thanks.

mde; I moved from a 3808 with XT to a 4311 w/XT32. I too was skeptical, I took the leap. Trust me when I say it's Night & Day, quit thinking and do it! wink.gif
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post #18807 of 21934
8/10/12 at 8:26am
Hi all. It was hard for me to find an answer trying to search all these pages, so maybe someone can help me.

I have the denon 4311 with Definitive BP7002 as fronts. How should I be connecting the fronts for the built in subs? I don't have a dedicated sub as there is no room for it so I thought these would be the best solution.

Should I be connecting the sub connection in the denon to the LFE of the speaker?

Or should I not use that and just use the speaker wire connections? But what do I do from there?

Thanks.
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post #18808 of 21934
8/10/12 at 8:36am
With XT32 you can go either way as there are the same exact number of speaker filters as sub filters. If you want the capability to adjust the sub level up/down then you would want to connect an LFE cable to each sub.
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post #18809 of 21934
8/10/12 at 9:49am
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Originally Posted by tigertas32 View Post

Hi all. It was hard for me to find an answer trying to search all these pages, so maybe someone can help me.
I have the denon 4311 with Definitive BP7002 as fronts. How should I be connecting the fronts for the built in subs? I don't have a dedicated sub as there is no room for it so I thought these would be the best solution.
Should I be connecting the sub connection in the denon to the LFE of the speaker?
Or should I not use that and just use the speaker wire connections? But what do I do from there?
Thanks.
I have the new Def Tech BP-8080's which are very similar to the BP-7002's. I actually have the 7002's which used to be my FL, FR speakers, but now server as my rear surrounds. I tried them both ways, but preferred just running speaker wire to the Def Tech's. I believe that Def Tech recommends connecting them using just speaker cables and letting the speakers' internal crossovers decide how to send the lower frequencies to the built in subs. I have found no adverse effect to do this. Having four full range floor standing speakers with built in subs is awesome, by the way!biggrin.gif
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post #18810 of 21934
8/10/12 at 10:45am
Hi Guys,
I've had my 4311ci for about an year now. Is there any way to setup the Denon to pass the L/R channel digitally (coax/optical) vs rest of the channels to preamp or speaker out? This may work only for non HDCP content but I was wondering if for a music only system, Denon can apply audyssey and pass the signal to external system for DAC/Preamp/Power section, something like the setup below

For 2 channel audio

HTPC ->(HDMI) -> Denon -> (Coax) -> Standalone 2ch DAC/AMP -> Speakers


For multi-channel audio
--> (Coax) -> Standalone 2ch DAC/AMP -> L/R Speakers
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HTPC ->(HDMI) -> Denon ->
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--> Center/Surround Speakers
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