AFAIK, yes, although keep in mind that when using the analog inputs, the Audyssey filters are not applied which is most likely to provide the better audio fidelity.
Thanks again... Just trying to figure out what happens when I set the Oppo analog distance and then feed an analog signal to the 4311. Does the 9 feet distance become 18 feet because it is set in both blu-ray and AVR? Does the distance apply to pure direct settings?
What if I got a hold of an Adcom ACE-515 Power Conditioner? Would it work to turn on/off the external amp with no switch or trigger on it and can be hooked up to to work with the 4311? Just want to find a way to turn off/on the eternal amp with the Denon since there is no power switch on it and no 12v trigger or switches on it. Want to get out of this cycle of the external amp being on a dedicated power strip with its own on off switch. Not efficient and too low tech for my wife too.
I'm not familiar with the Adcom ACE-515 and their website doesn't seem to be responsive at the moment so I can't retrieve the owners' manual that I found a link to on Google, so I can't answer your question.
If I got the Xantech, how would I connect it to the 4311. Is there a special cable I would need?
Thanks for trying to help me work this out.
You would just need to get a cable with a 1/8" mono plug on one end and bare wires on the other end (or 1/8" mono plugs on both ends and cut one off) - these can be purchased at a place like Radio Shack. You connect the 1/8" plug to one of the trigger outputs on the 4311 and connect the other end to the 12V trigger terminal block on the Xantech, plug the amp into the Xantech's AC outlet, and plug the Xantech's power cord into a power conditioner or wall outlet.
there is no such thing as DTS-EX. The "EX" processing for the sixth channel is the Dolby Digital variant.
DTS calls it "ES", and AFAIK it is not available as a "standalone" matrix that you can apply on top of another format (like DTS-MSTR). If a legacy DTS soundtrack has ES flagging (either a matrixed 6th channel or a discrete 6th channel) then it will show up as "DTS-ES" on the display and you will see the 6.1 input signal decoded as such. You can see in the footnotes that they are only available with DTS (ES-MTRX) or DTS-ES (ES-DSCRT) sources.
This "mystery" DTS thing where a 5.1 DTS-HD track can play as 7.1 is a different process. JD's comment above seems to indicate that they are simply copying the side surrounds to the back surrounds as well? As you can see in the footnotes, it is only available with DTS-HD and based on reports from users (including you) it seems that there is no indication on the front panel display, it still shows DTS-MSTR but the only way to know something is happening beyond the norm is the 5.1 input lights compared to the 7.1 output lights.
Dog.. I get it now.. EX is a Dolby product not a DTS one :-)
So is there a preferred method in this design? is this DTS 5.1>7.1 surround spread better that adding DTS-MSTR + PLiix for example?
That's a matter of preference. These are different philosophies.
Do DTS (+users) believe the best configuration would to be to use this special 5.1>7.1 spread, rather than adding PLiix Cinema etc?
Is there a "recommended" setting that is designed for the best/most accurate reproduction of this material? If that makes sense:)
I know some will say its specific to each user, but my question is more based on which is actually recommended for this situation. For example, not many people like PLIIx-Music... But the recommended setting for listening to music in 5.1 using a Dolby up conversion is the Music option over the cinema option... It my not be the best, but it's the recommended..
The difference between PLIIx Music vs. Movie (for 5.1 sources) is so subtle that I rarely bother to switch from Movie to Music. The better the recording, the less it benefits from the Music mode.
So what's the recommend option for listening to 5.1 DTS Master audio and up conversion to 7.1. Is it the DTS Magical 5.1>7.1 spread of surrounds to the rears, or PLiix etc?
Look at it this way. You probably purchased the extra rear speakers to achieve the full benefits of 7.1 spatiality and directionality in the surrounds. PLIIx largely achieves those goals from 5.1 content. OTOH, the fixed spreading of the surrounds is intended to achieve the standard 5.1 effect.
The direct HDMI connection on the Apple TV to the 4311 worked great.
When I took my Apple TV 3 via HDMI to the 4311, then the Apple TV don't want to use 1080p60, all other settings are possible. A direct HDMI connection to the TV will isolate the problem to the ATV-Denon connection, because it works.
Does anyone have the same Problem?
Note: It was the same on my former 2311 and I found forum threads were people reported the same with Onkyo an Pioneer Amps, maybe a Apple TV 3 Problem?
Dumb question here but nonetheless I can't get it to work. Setting up a Wii via component cable. Using the "TV" input on the input assign menu as RCA2 and plug my audio into the corresponding stereo TV jacks. But no sound. What am I missing?
you should read the posts a few up from yours the key point of understanding is that the analog audio inputs are NOT assignable so, with a device like the Wii that has analog audio only, you must assign the video to match the audio (not the other way around)
you must be confused about *something* because there are no "TV" analog audio inputs on the 4311ci. The rear analog audio options that can be assigned with a video input are BD, DVD, SAT/CBL, DVR, and DOCK, so you must plug into one of those five and then assign the component video (RCA) to match the name. Also make sure that there is no HDMI or Digital audio source assigned to the same name, or else the receiver will want to pull the audio from the digital feed. You can also override this by setting INPUT MODE to [Analog] for whatever source name you use.
I thought that no post processing could be applied to the 7.1 analog input of the 4311.
Correct, but that refers to DIGITAL post processing which would require A/D conversion of the multich analog inputs. The final channel trim adjustments are not applied in the digital domain, but after the DAC stage, so they are fine. This is not "post processing" technically.
Nothing that occurs in the digital domain -- bass management (crossovers), EQ, etc. (and apparently delays too according to AJ?) -- will apply.
Is there a "recommended" setting that is designed for the best/most accurate reproduction of this material? If that makes sense:)
As Roger notes there is no "correct" answer for this. You have surround content that was recorded in two channels and you have a variety of methods for "spreading" these two channels out across four channels.
The DTS option apparently just "copies" the same signal to the two back channels, so all four surrounds (or each pair really) are playing the same signal. You are simply "spreading" the surround sound around you, but without extracting/steering any content, just copying. I would imagine this would probably be the best choice for a theater with multiple rows of seating so everyone gets a more similar surround field.
Alternately, you have the option to matrix a mono rear channel and have both surr.back speakers play the the same "extracted center channel" in the back (like EX matrix processing). Some of the audio from the sides will get steered to the back, but it will be mono. This is probably the best option if your back surrounds are directly behind you and pretty close together, although most would agree it's been obsoleted by the stereo option for doing the same thing (PLIIx).
With EX or PLIIx, again some audio that is encoded in the two side surround channels will be extracted and steered to the rear. So the theory is that the sound will be "placed" where it was supposed to come from. So (simplified example) if a mixer places an effect 70% to the left surround and 30% to the right surround, so that it should "phantom image" behind you but over your left shoulder, PLIIx will try to physically move that sound to the back left surround.
The difference (as I understand it) between Cinema and Music modes is that, in the above example, Cinema mode would take the sound that is steered back there and subtract it from the side surround channels, whereas in Music mode it will not. So Cinema mode is more precisely "directional" whereas Music mode is more "spreading" the sound evenly. So I guess in a way the PLIIx "Music" mode will sort of be in between the DTS "secret special mode" (simply copying) and the PLIIx Cinema mode (full directional steering).
You should find a scene with plenty of surround action (e.g. bullets whizzing around you or something) and test this for yourself. My bet is that the difference will be pretty subtle in "real world" listening.
As Wiwavelength indicated, the "distance" settings in the AVR are likely not used, however, you should be able to confirm for yourself through experimentation.
Thanks everyone. Am away on vacation right now so am not anywhere near my home theatre system and I have a new Oppo BDP-95 on order with an expected delivery when I get home ;-) Will definitely confirm when I get it plugged in and setup. Basically from what I understand right now (with no experimentation) for the analog multi-channel inputs is that it is best to set the distance and the crossover in the Oppo and leave the channel trims alone. Then you only have to worry about the channel trims in the 4311. Please note that I am not worried about the room correction aspects that happen in the digital domain with my analog signal as the PBK software in my subwoofer handles the troubling frequency range between 40 and 100Hz. My Revel speakers are pretty flat from 100Hz upward in my room.
ensure that the trailer you are trying to play is indeed 5.1... also go into "audio/video" settings and make sure "dolby digital" is not set to off...
i don't use the itunes movie store, but i use netflix a lot, and have no problems getting 5.1...
I'll try to make sure that it's 5.1 content. No Netflix, so I'm stuck with iTunes for now. I really just want to test this out. I'm still not sure about keeping Apple TV just yet.
Can you believe after all this time with the 4311 that I did not know that? That is weird, wild stuff!
Not sure if mocking me, or you genuinely didn't know
Thanks for all the help everyone, even Mark found out about a useful button in his remote in the process. Thanks to all for all the info and help and advice, now I feel confident to watch a movie and know what settings do what.
...I have a new Oppo BDP-95 on order with an expected delivery when I get home ;-) Will definitely confirm when I get it plugged in and setup. Basically from what I understand right now (with no experimentation) for the analog multi-channel inputs is that it is best to set the distance and the crossover in the Oppo and leave the channel trims alone. Then you only have to worry about the channel trims in the 4311. Please note that I am not worried about the room correction aspects that happen in the digital domain with my analog signal as the PBK software in my subwoofer handles the troubling frequency range between 40 and 100Hz. My Revel speakers are pretty flat from 100Hz upward in my room. Cheers.
The 95 has more sophisticated BM than prior Oppo versions, though most folks with an AVR as sophisticated as the 4311 would use a 93 and send the signal via HDMI or SPDIF, then apply AudysseyXT32. Or some, like myself, use a DenonLink player. The 83 and 83SE was so limited irt BM I didn't bother with experimenting vs Audyssey for MC sources. But for Stereo, regardless of the SMS EQ built into my Velo subs, sending digital out HDMI to the A100 and applying Audyssey won out over in my room for SQ. It'll be interesting if you do an A/B of your analog/PBK-DSP hybrid vs a straight digital/XT32.
So you've measured to confirm that your speakers are "flat from 100Hz upward" in your room?. Correcting the freqs above the xover and below-Schroeder is an area in which XT32 excels and can smooth the overall bass considerably.
Of course sub crawl measuring for best sub(s) placement for smoothest FR prior to any EQ is the most valuable step irt smooth bass.
As an aside, what neither PBK or XT32 does is to measure those critical below-Schroeder freqs with sub(s) and mains playing together. Apparently that's an interesting measurement to take if you've got the gear. Some folks are experimenting with distance settings post Audyssey to smooth that even further. Of course YMMV.
The wiring outside is for 1 channel each speaker. In this configuration these speakers will be 4ohms. Is this safe to run with the 4311 as a separate zone and would there be any harm to have both the main zone and these rock speakers running at the same time? Also, these Klipsch rock speakers are just ones I am considering, I am open to any ideas for the speakers also...... thx
As a long time Denon user, but a fairly new 4311 user, one thing I noticed that at first struck me as a bit strange. If you press the Standard button on the remote, it will only cycle through some of the various options such as DD PLIIX Music, etc., but not all of them. In order to get the ones that are "missing", you must use the Menu button to bring up the GUI and go into the Surround Modes menu and then change to a different setting such as DTS: Neo. I have not completely figured out what settings produce what options in the Standard button menu, but from what I have seen, it is not always intuitive or what I expect to see. I don't know if anyone else has noticed this and can comment on the way this is supposed to work. I believe that the instance I saw was that I was in DD PLIIX Cinema and wanted to change to DD PLIIX Music, but when I pressed the Standard button, the only other surround choice I got was DTS: Neo or something like that. There was no option to select DD PLIIX Music, so I had to use the onscreen Menu and Surround Mode menu to select that option.