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post #19081 of 21934
8/22/12 at 7:16pm
DeRemote is way better than the free app. Especially if you're using an iPad.
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post #19082 of 21934
8/22/12 at 7:21pm
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DeRemote is way better than the free app. Especially if you're using an iPad.

^^ +1000 ^^
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post #19083 of 21934
8/22/12 at 7:31pm
In what page on the manual is the instructions for micro processing the 4311? Sorry about the stupid question..


DJoel
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post #19084 of 21934
8/22/12 at 7:39pm
p. 138
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post #19085 of 21934
8/22/12 at 7:56pm
Thanks, and sorry about stupid request...

Djoel
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post #19086 of 21934
8/22/12 at 8:24pm
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DeRemote is way better than the free app. Especially if you're using an iPad.

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Originally Posted by Sam S View Post

DeRemote is way better than the free app. Especially if you're using an iPad.

^^ +1000 ^^

yup, true dat... glad i went on sam's reco on that.. easily worth the minimal cost...
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post #19087 of 21934
8/22/12 at 9:03pm
Well thanks for the input about the remote app and zoning.

I downloaded the Yamaha app and that thing is pretty damn nice (since I'm still debating the receiver I'll be purchasing). I had heard people raving about that app for iOS and how nice it is.

Glad to hear that the DeRemote is good at least. If I'm spending the $ on the AVR, I don't think another $7 will break the bank heh.
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post #19088 of 21934
8/23/12 at 1:54am
Hey,

Quick question (probably very silly)
I just popped into the firmware update section of the GUI and did a check for firmware updates and noticed that it says "latest" after I have done a search... Meaning I have the latest firmware...

However,
There is also a "Start" button directly above the check for firmware button, which says "execute update" when I press it, it says execute update, GUI will shut down etc etc etc so it's got something to install but I thought if you were on the latest firmware it wouldn't allow you to do it again?

Does this mean I have downloaded the latest firmware but never actually ran/updated it?
Does this "execute update" feature never go away?
Have I forgot to update but have t least downloaded the latest firmware?



I have AirPlay etc installed so I'm assuming I'm on the latest firmware, but jut confused as to why I am being given an option to start upgrade?

Anyone?
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post #19089 of 21934
8/23/12 at 4:39am
Have you tried just letting the update process go to completion?
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post #19090 of 21934
8/23/12 at 6:05am
Not sure what you mean?

Do you have the "start" option available on yours? Is it there by default on all models even if your firmware is up to date etc? I've just never noticed it before?

I don't wanna do it I case I loose any settings (particularly if it's not needed or is just going to reflag the current/existing firmware..

Jut un sure what to do?

Current firmware on my box is 0006 but it seems like it by pressing "start upgrade" it's wanting to apply something?
Is this just reapplying the current firmware or does the start section only appear if you have a new update to start.

I have AirPlay installed so it's not that?

I'm confused, don't want to apply unless wipes all my settings etc frown.gif

Any users able to confirm that they too have a "start" option that is functional when they view the firmware update page?
Edited by Ian Beale - 8/23/12 at 7:44am
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post #19091 of 21934
8/23/12 at 7:19am
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you may never have noticed it but the "STD" or "Standard" button had been the primary Denon surround mode control button for at least a decade until they got rid of it with the xx12 models going forward. wink.gif
That is interesting to know; however, as I stated, I hated the Primary remote that came with the 3808 and 4310, so I used the secondary remote until and sometimes with the Harmony. I don't believe the secondary remotes for those two receivers have a Standard button or at least I totally missed that feature. As you said, the primary remote does have a "soft" button for Standard, but I never used it long enough to really know all the processor modes it cycled through. I will have to check my Harmony to see if it has a soft key for Standard as I did not specifically load that function when I set it up. I must confess to being a bit lazy in that regard and when I need to use certain functions that are not readily apparent on the Harmony, I just grab the Denon remote. You should see my coffee table(actually, you can't see it because of all the remotes).biggrin.gif
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post #19092 of 21934
8/23/12 at 7:56am
NEW ANDROID PHONE/TABLET APP
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So I downloaded the new Denon Android App. Only works with '13 models.
Lazy Denon. LAZY. Last time I looked, there are more Android phones being
sold than IPhones.... stop treating us like second-class citizens.

There's a new FREE android app that was just uploaded today and although tested on the 1713, the author claims it should work on the 4311CI as well. Perhaps an Android phone owner can confirm whether it works or not and if yes, how well it works? Also supposed to work well with tablets too. Thanks.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.compute4you.remotecontrol
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post #19093 of 21934
8/23/12 at 11:08am
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A much easier solution is by using a programmable remote. For example, the Harmony database for the 4311 has discrete codes allowing you to set up buttons to access PLII Music and PLII Cinema directly, as well as Stereo, Direct, etc.

Are those hex codes posted anywhere? I can program my URC MX-850 if I had them.

Thanks.

Mark

This might be what you're looking for: http://www.audioproducts.com.au/downloadcenter/products/Denon/AVR4311BK/Manuals/AVR4311CI_AVR4311%20IR_CODE_V01.pdf . Or not.
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post #19094 of 21934
8/23/12 at 11:26am
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you may never have noticed it but the "STD" or "Standard" button had been the primary Denon surround mode control button for at least a decade until they got rid of it with the xx12 models going forward. wink.gif
That is interesting to know; however, as I stated, I hated the Primary remote that came with the 3808 and 4310, so I used the secondary remote until and sometimes with the Harmony. I don't believe the secondary remotes for those two receivers have a Standard button or at least I totally missed that feature. As you said, the primary remote does have a "soft" button for Standard, but I never used it long enough to really know all the processor modes it cycled through. I will have to check my Harmony to see if it has a soft key for Standard as I did not specifically load that function when I set it up. I must confess to being a bit lazy in that regard and when I need to use certain functions that are not readily apparent on the Harmony, I just grab the Denon remote. You should see my coffee table(actually, you can't see it because of all the remotes).biggrin.gif

the 4311ci code set definitely does have the Standard button (it's called "ModeStandard") and it also has "Cinema" and "Music" buttons (ModeCinema and ModeMusic). Since you mention not using the main remotes, you may not know that these two buttons allow direct cycling of "Music" vs. "Cinema" modes of PLII, DTS Neo, etc. which may address your prior issue.

This is how they would operate:

1. STANDARD button will cycle between Dolby Pro Logic and DTS Neo, with whatever mode (Cinema, Music, etc) last selected.
2. MUSIC button will cycle directly between DPLII Music and DTS Neo Music modes, and CINEMA button will do the same for Cinema modes.

Note that if you use one of the direct buttons it will affect the "last selected" part for the STANDARD button. For example, if you hit the music button twice to cycle between DPLII Music and DTS Neo Music, now those are the two most recent selections, so the next time you hit the STANDARD button it will go PLII Music > DTS Neo Music.
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post #19095 of 21934
8/23/12 at 12:12pm
Can that ^^ be done in any way using the standard remote?
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post #19096 of 21934
8/23/12 at 12:35pm
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

NEW ANDROID PHONE/TABLET APP
There's a new FREE android app that was just uploaded today and although tested on the 1713, the author claims it should work on the 4311CI as well. Perhaps an Android phone owner can confirm whether it works or not and if yes, how well it works? Also supposed to work well with tablets too. Thanks.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.compute4you.remotecontrol

I loaded app on my Droid RAZR/MAXX and couldn't get any response from the 4311CI. Briefly experimented with this app: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.pskiwi.avrremote&feature=search_result#?t=W251bGwsMSwxLDEsImRlLnBza2l3aS5hdnJyZW1vdGUiXQ..with better results but need to do additional experimenting with various modes to see how well it performs.
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post #19097 of 21934
8/23/12 at 12:45pm
I am having issues with snow during Cable TV viewing. I have read through this thread and see its not a new topic at all. What occurs is white snow intermittently during TV viewing and it occurs either when the 4311 is in standby mode and I'm using it as an HDMI switch and listening through TV speakers or the unit is on and i listen through the 5.1 setup. I cannot determine whether this could be a signal issue with my cable company or its in fact an issue with the 4311 and HDMI signal. Any help would be appreciated.
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post #19098 of 21934
8/23/12 at 12:46pm
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Originally Posted by Ian Beale View Post

Can that ^^ be done in any way using the standard remote?

no, the factory remote doesn't have the CINEMA/MUSIC buttons, just STANDARD.
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post #19099 of 21934
8/23/12 at 12:48pm
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I am having issues with snow during Cable TV viewing. I have read through this thread and see its not a new topic at all. What occurs is white snow intermittently during TV viewing and it occurs either when the 4311 is in standby mode and I'm using it as an HDMI switch and listening through TV speakers or the unit is on and i listen through the 5.1 setup. I cannot determine whether this could be a signal issue with my cable company or its in fact an issue with the 4311 and HDMI signal. Any help would be appreciated.

you can determine if it's a signal issue by connecting the cable box directly to the TV and seeing if the "snow" still occurs.

if you determine that it's occurring only when passing through the receiver, and direct connection exhibits no show, it's almost certainly an HDMI cable issue. Either a bad cable or a loose/wiggly cable seating at the connection point.
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post #19100 of 21934
8/23/12 at 1:14pm
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

no, the factory remote doesn't have the CINEMA/MUSIC buttons, just STANDARD.

i know there not there biggrin.gif
I meant can it be done...

For example the standard remote has a macro button and simple programable buttons? Is there a way to macro or program a button the standard remote to cycle those options?

Is it possible and does anyone know how?
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post #19101 of 21934
8/23/12 at 2:33pm
Can any of you tell me where the latests 4311 are being manufactured. In pictures I see "Made in Japan", but I had a salesman suggest yesterday that the newer one may now be manufactured someplace else.

Thanks,
Lon
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post #19102 of 21934
8/23/12 at 3:08pm
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the 4311ci code set definitely does have the Standard button (it's called "ModeStandard") and it also has "Cinema" and "Music" buttons (ModeCinema and ModeMusic). Since you mention not using the main remotes, you may not know that these two buttons allow direct cycling of "Music" vs. "Cinema" modes of PLII, DTS Neo, etc. which may address your prior issue.
This is how they would operate:
1. STANDARD button will cycle between Dolby Pro Logic and DTS Neo, with whatever mode (Cinema, Music, etc) last selected.
2. MUSIC button will cycle directly between DPLII Music and DTS Neo Music modes, and CINEMA button will do the same for Cinema modes.
Note that if you use one of the direct buttons it will affect the "last selected" part for the STANDARD button. For example, if you hit the music button twice to cycle between DPLII Music and DTS Neo Music, now those are the two most recent selections, so the next time you hit the STANDARD button it will go PLII Music > DTS Neo Music.

I'm going to save your post and reference it every time someone says universals are easier smile.gif While it's annoying to have to setup the stock to do what I want, your description of how to do it with a universal doesn't even address my basic issue - I want to toggle Dolby<->Dolby. But that was then, now I'm happy with the stock, as once you get it straight, one button push and I'm all set (with my limited usage patters.)

Funny, I'm always in a darkened room and couldn't remember just what the Standard button was, since it's all by feel. Went to look, and it's what I call the "surround" button smile.gif
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post #19103 of 21934
8/23/12 at 4:06pm
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Can any of you tell me where the latests 4311 are being manufactured. In pictures I see "Made in Japan", but I had a salesman suggest yesterday that the newer one may now be manufactured someplace else.
Thanks,
Lon

The 4XXXCI series are mfr'd in Japan.
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post #19104 of 21934
8/23/12 at 5:07pm
Does anyone know the rolloff used below the crossover frequency by the Denon 4311? Is it 4th order? 3rd?
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post #19105 of 21934
8/23/12 at 5:19pm
the vast majority of receivers will use a 2nd-order HPF (-12dB/octave) for the satellites and a 4th-order LPF (-24dB/octave) for the sub channel. The idea being that the 2nd-order hi-pass will combine with the natural roll-off of the speaker to create an effective 4th-order slope in both directions. This is the THX spec and AFAIK almost all receivers follow this methodology.
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post #19106 of 21934
8/23/12 at 6:45pm
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you can determine if it's a signal issue by connecting the cable box directly to the TV and seeing if the "snow" still occurs.
if you determine that it's occurring only when passing through the receiver, and direct connection exhibits no show, it's almost certainly an HDMI cable issue. Either a bad cable or a loose/wiggly cable seating at the connection point.

Ok, so I did the test and the "snow" occurs only when passing thru the receiver. Here is the odd part however. It happens only sometimes during the day and it just started occurring after I've had the receiver new only 2 weeks. I would think that if the HDMI controller in the receiver were bad it would be bad all the time not sporadic and also its odd that for 2 weeks it worked fine. Also, when it acts up if I keep it on the same channel its fine, it only gets snowy in/out when i change channels. I am becoming frustrated and am thinking I need to return the unit although would be a huge hassle to do so. Please let me know what u guys think of this issue.
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post #19107 of 21934
8/23/12 at 7:10pm
So I have another question about using Zoning with the 4311ci...

I'm going to be getting FIOS when I move into my place.

Is it possible that I can have my Verizon DVR hooked up to my receiver, and then have it hooked up to both the Main Zone as well as Zone 2, and possibly even Zone 3, so that I can watch what is being shown on that cable box on any of 3 different TV's that are hooked up to the receivers as the zones?

Obviously if I did that, I couldn't use more than 1 TV and watch 2 different things.

But is the scenario possible?

I just don't want to have 4 cable boxes all over my house if I can narrow it down to 2. Those things are expensive!
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post #19108 of 21934
8/24/12 at 4:43am
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Ok, so I did the test and the "snow" occurs only when passing thru the receiver. Here is the odd part however. It happens only sometimes during the day and it just started occurring after I've had the receiver new only 2 weeks. I would think that if the HDMI controller in the receiver were bad it would be bad all the time not sporadic and also its odd that for 2 weeks it worked fine. Also, when it acts up if I keep it on the same channel its fine, it only gets snowy in/out when i change channels. I am becoming frustrated and am thinking I need to return the unit although would be a huge hassle to do so. Please let me know what u guys think of this issue.

This could be an HDMI handshake issue which is very common with cable boxes ... work around is either cable box (HDMI) directly to the TV with cable box (optical) to the AVR or cable box (component/optical) to the AVR.
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8/24/12 at 4:50am
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So I have another question about using Zoning with the 4311ci...
I'm going to be getting FIOS when I move into my place.
Is it possible that I can have my Verizon DVR hooked up to my receiver, and then have it hooked up to both the Main Zone as well as Zone 2, and possibly even Zone 3, so that I can watch what is being shown on that cable box on any of 3 different TV's that are hooked up to the receivers as the zones?
Obviously if I did that, I couldn't use more than 1 TV and watch 2 different things.
But is the scenario possible?
I just don't want to have 4 cable boxes all over my house if I can narrow it down to 2. Those things are expensive!

Yes, what you are suggesting is possible, although really depends on your configuration (ie. using TV speakers or stand alone speakers). The 4311CI only has 2 HDMI outputs so you would need to add a splitter to get HDMI video/audio to a 3rd TV. Also note that if you passed HDMI audio/video to either Zone 2 or Zone 3, you would be unable to use the surround speakers in the main zone (ie. "HDMI Audio Out" set to "TV").
Edited by jdsmoothie - 8/24/12 at 5:08am
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8/24/12 at 4:58am
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Does anyone know the rolloff used below the crossover frequency by the Denon 4311? Is it 4th order? 3rd?

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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

the vast majority of receivers will use a 2nd-order HPF (-12dB/octave) for the satellites and a 4th-order LPF (-24dB/octave) for the sub channel. The idea being that the 2nd-order hi-pass will combine with the natural roll-off of the speaker to create an effective 4th-order slope in both directions. This is the THX spec and AFAIK almost all receivers follow this methodology.

pictures, since one day i was curious... smile.gif xover at 80hz...

mains only...



sub only...



combined response...



3 overlaid together...



looks like a 4th order for the mains and a 2nd order for the sub... which would be the opposite of the thx spec... didn't really spend much time thinking about this...
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