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post #19201 of 23176
^^^

the deremote app is worth popping for... there's no comparison between the freebie one from denon and deremote...
post #19202 of 23176
Sadly, Android reigns supreme in my house...but maybe it will be ported soon.
post #19203 of 23176
Planning some HT upgrades and the 4311 is on the list. I also want add some Clark Systems transducers. Can I run the transducers as front B speakers set to large with the 4311 set to A+B? I guess the real questions is how much will I miss by not feeding it any of the LFE data?
post #19204 of 23176
Just split the LFE (sub) out and run to the sub(s) and the other to the clarks...wink.gif
post #19205 of 23176
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Originally Posted by Nickff View Post

Will the 4311 "play nice" with a pro external amp?

I use a Crown K1 (in mono mode) with the 4311 to power an Electro-Voice TL880D cinema subwoofer.
post #19206 of 23176
Is Apple's Airplay now included in the newest 4311's or do you still have to buy it for $50?

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post #19207 of 23176
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Originally Posted by Cobra5wood View Post

Is Apple's Airplay now included in the newest 4311's or do you still have to buy it for $50?
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It's free, but I don't think anyone has reported it being pre-installed yet.
post #19208 of 23176
+1

Only pre-installed on the XX12 and XX13 models as well as the new 4520CI.
post #19209 of 23176
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

+1
Only pre-installed on the XX12 and XX13 models as well as the new 4520CI.
I currently do NOT own any Apple devices and have no plans to purchase any in the near future; however, since this feature is available now for the 4311 for free, I was wondering if there would be any downside to me adding this feature for possible future use or as an added benefit to a future owner?
Thanks!
PS. - What is the process for adding this feature to the 4311?
post #19210 of 23176
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Originally Posted by Redbeemer View Post

I currently do NOT own any Apple devices and have no plans to purchase any in the near future; however, since this feature is available now for the 4311 for free, I was wondering if there would be any downside to me adding this feature for possible future use or as an added benefit to a future owner?
Thanks!
PS. - What is the process for adding this feature to the 4311?

the only "downside" would be to use an iTunes library for your stored music. Having the abilty to stream music to your receiver from iTunes is just a matter of simplicity. There are those who don't like Apple products, for whatever reason, (no judgements here, just pointing it out) but the fact that they are extremely easy to use is probably the're greatest appeal to most.
I'm a Mac user and love their products,

Adding Airplay is simple too, just go to Denons website and register your product id (found in the receivers upgrade menu, follow the steps to upgrade, sometimes it takes awhile for it to get registered, then go back and follow the upgrade path and let the receiver do it's thing.

However, if you don't use iTunes and don't want to, then maybe Airplay is not for you. There are probably other products that can do a similar function, just a little more cumbersome.

Cheers,

C. Wood
post #19211 of 23176
I gotta say, I use my HT for music a whole lot more now that I have airplay. Very convenient and super easy to use.
post #19212 of 23176
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Originally Posted by Redbeemer View Post

I currently do NOT own any Apple devices and have no plans to purchase any in the near future; however, since this feature is available now for the 4311 for free, I was wondering if there would be any downside to me adding this feature for possible future use or as an added benefit to a future owner?
Thanks!
PS. - What is the process for adding this feature to the 4311?

Note that you can also use Airplay to stream non-iOS audio without owning an Apple device (eg. AirFoil).

http://shop.denon.com/Airplay-Upgrade-W4.aspx
post #19213 of 23176
You should also be able to do it from a windows machine if you have itunes. Right? I've never tried it since my laptop is a mac and that's what is always out in the living room.
post #19214 of 23176
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Yup. smile.gif
post #19215 of 23176
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Originally Posted by djPerfectTrip View Post

You should also be able to do it from a windows machine if you have itunes. Right? I've never tried it since my laptop is a mac and that's what is always out in the living room.

Yes.

It should also be mentioned that, although you don't need an iDevice to control iTunes, it certainly makes it easier, but you can control Airplay, through iTunes, with your Denon remote control, you just don't have the graphic control (excluding the picture on your tv) like you do on an iDevice.

Cheers,

C. Wood
post #19216 of 23176
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Originally Posted by cwglideman View Post

the only "downside" would be to use an iTunes library for your stored music. Having the abilty to stream music to your receiver from iTunes is just a matter of simplicity. There are those who don't like Apple products, for whatever reason, (no judgements here, just pointing it out) but the fact that they are extremely easy to use is probably the're greatest appeal to most.

I have a 4310 that doesn't have Airplay and I hate iTunes, so I purchased a DLNA sever called Asset UPNP:
http://www.dbpoweramp.com/asset-upnp-dlna.htm
The free version works indefinitely and contains the UPnP server; the pay version adds some useful search options and WASAPI streaming from the PC's sound card (as well as Internet Radio--but the 4311 already has that).

It's simple to set up and use on the PC (it runs on Macs, but I don't have one to try it with). And unlike iTunes, it will play FLAC files.
post #19217 of 23176
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Originally Posted by pbarach View Post

I have a 4310 that doesn't have Airplay and I hate iTunes, so I purchased a DLNA sever called Asset UPNP:
http://www.dbpoweramp.com/asset-upnp-dlna.htm
The free version works indefinitely and contains the UPnP server; the pay version adds some useful search options and WASAPI streaming from the PC's sound card (as well as Internet Radio--but the 4311 already has that).
It's simple to set up and use on the PC (it runs on Macs, but I don't have one to try it with). And unlike iTunes, it will play FLAC files.


...and THIS is probably the best reason to NOT like iTunes...lol

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Cheers,

C. Wood
post #19218 of 23176
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Originally Posted by Mark the Red View Post

BTW: which Denon app do you recommend? The official one or the one by Andreas Pillath?

The Pillath one.
post #19219 of 23176
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Originally Posted by Mark the Red View Post

Android reigns supreme in my house...

As it should... smile.gif
post #19220 of 23176
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Originally Posted by Mark the Red View Post

To be honest, I am very happy with my Harmony One. I'll have to try the Denon apps based on your recommendation, but the main reason I recommended the Remote for iTunes was just for browsing and streaming LARGE amounts of music on my computer to my Denon. For instance, every time I would go back to the main Artist selection page on Skifta, it would load it all from scratch creating terrible delays. I didnt see why it just couldn't remember all the folder names the first time. I used Skifta previously, and it worked well enough, but for some strange reason it did funny things to my Denon Avr-4311ci. For instance, on one song (with Skifta) i would press volume up on my tablet and the volume would react accordingly on the Denon. No problem. Then 10 minutes later, I would press volume up and it would immediately turn the volume to --.-- dB (no sound). I would turn off the Denon and still would do the same thing. Then I would do a hard power reset of the Denon and it would work splendidly again. Skifta was not reloaded. I couldnt' explain what was going on (DLNA?) but it was frustrating as all get out. Also when the volume was working, Skifta had terrible lag; When having friends over to play cards, and allowing them to use my tablet (they thought it was uber-cool btw) to MC the music, somebody would hold down the volume on the tablet because they thought it was not responding and then all of a sudden music got REALLY loud REALLY fast. Yikes.
The Remote for iTunes has none of these problems. Volume slider is ridiculously responsive and sensitive by comparison and just breezes through over 100Gb of mp3's when sorting by tags. I played around with what Goros liked about the concurrent itunes speakers playing and the volume was just as easy to control that way too. I giggled like a child when I scared my wife to death by blasting "Sir Mix-A-Lot - I Like Big Butts" on her laptop in the office when I was in the other room! Bwa ha ahaha !
I just ordered a Asus RTn-66u router because it apparently can run an itunes server on an attached usb HD. My spidey sense makes me think that this will be too good to be true, but I'm one UPS package away from being able to have >100GB itunes functionality through my Denon 4311ci and my Nexus 7 tablet!!!! And without EVEN having to turn my PC on or buying a Mac!!!! Oh lord, if this works I will have finally achieved the AV Nirvana I have pursued for many years.......

Yeah, all my music is on my iMac in the basement but I like to listen to it upstairs on my 2112. I can use my Android phone to control my iMac or my iPad. It takes much longer to get music going with my iPad because the Denon app is ridiculously slow.

Airplay takes a bit to get used to because their are so many ways to control the volume, but after you see how volume is controlled it is quite useful. I am always impressed how there are no hiccups over wireless.
post #19221 of 23176
Is it possible to run room/level correction for dual subs without the other speakers? I only moved one sub and don't want to run it again for all 11 speakers.
post #19222 of 23176
I am a new 4311 owner and have been reading this forum for days, but can't get through all 635 pages. Sorry if these have been asked.

I am using Polk SDA 1.2TL's for my mains. They are six feet tall and I only have 2 feet above the speaker to the ceiling. Half the right speaker is under the duct work in my basement so I have less than 1 feet of space above half the speaker. I cannot go wider than the main speakers. Will there be any benefit in running front heights 2 feet directly above the main speakers?

I am using a B&K 7270 7 channel amp for the fronts(bi-amped), center and surrounds. I will be using the 4311 to power the wides, heights, rears and 2nd zone. I have 4 Mirage MX sats in the spare speaker pile. Would it be OK to use those for heights and surrounds even though they are not direct speakers?

Thanks for all the information provided in this thread. My goal is to read 30 pages a day.

Jeff
post #19223 of 23176
^Hi, welcome. Keep in mind that it is the angle that matters; Audyssey will adjust for distance. The FR/L should be at about 30 degrees off the midline wrt MLP. So if your room will accomodate, slide the heights forward and out. Audyssey recommends heights at 45 degrees angle elevation from MLP and at 45 degrees angle off midline, see below. They state you have about 10 degrees leeway max in order to get the intended sense of height to the front soundstage. If you can't get close, that doesn't seem promising at all.

OTOH, Dolby heights are usually mounted over the FR/L so PLIIz may be an option. Again, I doubt the effect you'll get with is worth the trouble unless you can slide them forward to get a greater apparent elevation angle.

Note that DSX wides are set at at 60 degrees off midline at ear level and can be mounted along or on a side wall. That is another potential use for those speakers, if space allows. Most folks find the DSX wide effect more enhancing than the heights.

All speakers should be direct fire monopole except surrounds can also be bipole, dipole, tripole -or I spose, "omni". Of course, ideally they should be timbre-matched (same OEM/line of speakers) but Audyssey will attempt to timbre-match with EQ.

As results will be unpredictable, you could just try out any of those ideas using temporary setups- speaker wire on the floor, speakers atop a step ladder, etc. DSX111.gif 13k .gif file
post #19224 of 23176
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Originally Posted by michaelscott73 View Post

Is it possible to run room/level correction for dual subs without the other speakers? I only moved one sub and don't want to run it again for all 11 speakers.

Sorry, nope.
post #19225 of 23176
Thanks. I have no problems with the wides. I can put the front heights on the side walls a couple feet in front of the mains and the wides at the 60 degree angle. I will give it a try.
post #19226 of 23176
^The Polk SDA 1.2TLs are reknowned and should sound great for stereo. As you may well be aware, for MC, the next most crucial speaker is the CC irt overall capability and timbre-match. For 5.1, last but not least it's the surrounds-one can get away with much smaller and even non-timbre matched surrounds (and surr rears) but matching does improve the coherence of the surround bubble, as does careful placement of all speakers per the illustration above.

Forr DSX, wides and heights carry more info than you'd think. They should be more capable overall than surrounds/surr rears (but of course can be considerably smaller than your massive mains:)) and it's more important for them to be timbre-matched to the FR/L/CC for proper effect in expanding the front sounstage.

My fam rm HT was initially Polk RT800i towers with the matching CS 400i CC and Fx 300i fairly large on-wall dipole surrounds. I later switched to Polk RC 55i direct-fire in-wall surrounds for appearance/ WAF and those were not as effective for surround.

Oh, here's an idea-if you are at all considering trying to find more Polks to timbre-match your speakers, consider your local Craigs List. Mine always has a variety of used Polk speakers quite inexpensively priced-and you can sell the microsats.
post #19227 of 23176
I am using a Polk CS1000 for my center, FX1000's for side surround and Polk sats for my rear. The center is about as close as you can get to timbre match. I have some Polk sats I can try.

The SDA's are great for stereo. Probably better choices for movies, but I don't care. I will have my SDA's until I die.

Thanks for the help.
post #19228 of 23176
Sda's are awsome, but you probably want to not use the polk interconnect cable until after you run audyssey.
post #19229 of 23176
^Interesting point. What's nice about the Denon Network save feature is that you can run an Autosetup cal with the Polk cable connected and save it, then run one without and save it, with respective appropriate filenames to distinguish them. It takes about 5 min to switch between them. So you can then A/B/C calconnected vs calunconnected but connected later vs calunconnected and never connected. I have no experience or advice irt that proprietary system and its interaction with Audyssey.
post #19230 of 23176
I was wondering about the cable. I would like to disconnect the cable for movies and connect for 2 channel music. I will calibrate without cable. If I use pure direct stereo mode will it bypass the Audessey settings?
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