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post #19381 of 23178
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Originally Posted by Avliner View Post

Maybe for that matter, is the best workaround, though. In my specific case ( 2809 AVR / SVS PB -10 SW ), when listening to music on a 2.1 setup, I normally have to trim down the volume knob at SW, as the bass gets sometimes way too emphasized. Anyway, the 4311 is a totally different beast, so who knows??

Chuck,

Does the 2809 have a channel level setting button on the remote? Or you could go into the menu to change the level of the sub as needed. That is the better way to do it then changing the subs gain level. As Chris mentioned if you change the gain at the sub you will alter the Audyssey LFE setting. That is unless you get real lucky and set the gain back where it was initially.

Bill
post #19382 of 23178
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Originally Posted by guillermorb73 View Post

Hey guys, how do you 4311 owners connect your p.c.'s for lossless playback of high res music? can someone point me in the right direction?
I use ATI 5570 video card in my HTPC with HDMI out to 4311 and foobar2K playing back all of my digital music including hirez stuff (up to 24 bit/192 kHz flac files & SACD PS3 ripped DSD ISO files converted to PCM 24/88.2kHz on the fly by foobar) stored on my media server.
post #19383 of 23178
Thanks for the advice folks,

One last question...
I've taken the advice and now actually set up my room around my speakers a bit more here is my description of how it is

\ | _. | /


. / | |.. \


FWL / L / C / R / FWR

SL / SBL / SBR / SR

(full stops are just to insert spaces as web page is removing bland spaces)

as you can see my SL is a tad closer to my seating position (which is directly between the SBL / SBR) due to a door entering the room from that corner.

It's as close as I can get it to being like the pictures show...

Now,
My question is.. Should I toe in the rear surrounds.

Currently I toe in all the speakers except the C and the SBL+SBR.

Should the SBL+SBR actually be toed I toward the seating area or should they be left firing straight ahead (directly firing speakers)

Any advice,
Again, sport for my English, I'm no longer using the translate and am doing my self from learning smile.gif
Edited by Ian Beale - 9/18/12 at 4:28pm
post #19384 of 23178
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Originally Posted by Ian Beale View Post

Thanks for the advice folks,
One last question...
I've taken the advice and now actually set up my room around my speakers a bit more here is my description of how it is
\ | _. | /
. / | | \
FWL / L / C / R / FWR
SL / SBL / SBR / SR
as you can see my SL is a tad closer to my seating position (which is directly between the SBL / SBR) due to a door entering the room from that corner.
It's as close as I can get it to being like the pictures show...
Now,
My question is.. Should I toe in the rear surrounds.
Currently I toe in all the speakers except the C and the SBL+SBR.
Should the SBL+SBR actually be toed I toward the seating area or should they be left firing straight ahead (directly firing speakers)
Any advice,
Again, sport for my English, I'm no longer using the translate and am doing my self from learning smile.gif

 

IMO, if the speakers are monopoles, they should be aimed at the primary listening point (all speakers, including wides, surrounds, and surround backs).

post #19385 of 23178
What exactly is the "widescreen" mode? What does it do?
post #19386 of 23178
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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post

IMO, if the speakers are monopoles, they should be aimed at the primary listening point (all speakers, including wides, surrounds, and surround backs).

Ciao AJ,

I currently toe all my speakers except the C and the SBL + SBR ... So you think I should also toe the SBL+SBR to point directly at the sweet spot?

Will this not be to noticeable sound? Dolby website only says to have a 60 degree selection but not toe, they are monopole so you think this will be best for me?

Do you toe your rear surrounds?

Do you think. My new config is ok? smile.gif
post #19387 of 23178
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Originally Posted by dclark View Post

What exactly is the "widescreen" mode? What does it do?

this is an ancient Denon DSP mode that supposedly "recreates the effects of the multi surround speakers in movie theaters" and "achieves the atmosphere like that of a movie theater with a large screen". The assumption is that it adds some reverb/delay to make the room seem larger than it is, much like the Yamaha's "enhanced" surround modes. IMHO all of those special DSP modes (like Jazz Club or Rock Arena) are pretty much obsolete and should be avoided, although you are welcome to give it a shot!
post #19388 of 23178
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Originally Posted by Ian Beale View Post

Ciao AJ,
I currently toe all my speakers except the C and the SBL + SBR ... So you think I should also toe the SBL+SBR to point directly at the sweet spot?
Will this not be to noticeable sound? Dolby website only says to have a 60 degree selection but not toe, they are monopole so you think this will be best for me?
Do you toe your rear surrounds?
Do you think. My new config is ok? smile.gif

I toe in and aim the rear surrounds down at the MLP. Of course, if you make this change, you should re-run the Audyssey calibration. The rear surrounds are the least used speakers in a 9.1 setup, so toeing in or not is not likely to have a huge difference in the sound.

As far as your configuration, it is difficult to assess, given the diagram you provided. Pictures would be more useful.
post #19389 of 23178
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Originally Posted by Ian Beale View Post


Do you toe your rear surrounds?

As shown on the Audyssey website, ideally all speakers on a circle around the main listening position.


post #19390 of 23178
Whether you toe in or not also depends on your speakers as I do not toe in. I use Radio Shack LX5II's and you get a better freq response
out of them not toed in, toed.
post #19391 of 23178
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

...That is unless you get real lucky and set the gain back where it was initially...

Matter of fact I did a a mark with a sharpie pen for that purpose. Furthermore, now I'm getting more & more used to listen to music on Direct mode, which disables de SW though.
post #19392 of 23178
I posted this on the marantz 7701 thread, also wanted to post here. I've owned Denon 3300 in past, liked it, currently looking to replace an Integra preo/pro DHC 9.9 with a new pre/pro or receiver acting as a pre/pro...

I have read a number of people on AVS say that when they replaced a Denon piece with a Marantz they noticed a positive difference sonically. Assume that is true, would a sonically inferior Denon with XT32 sound better than a sonically superior Marantz with XT (like the marantz 7701 or 7005)?

Or just take out the Denon and Marantz brands and the debatable argument that the marantz is sonically superior to Denon. Lets say its something like a top of the line $7000 processor with just XT versus say a low end piece but with with XT32...

Does XT32 make up that much for sonic inferiority such that the $1200 XT32 piece sounds better than the $7000 XT piece in terms of bringing a soundtrack alive?
Edited by Mark Lem - 9/19/12 at 9:19am
post #19393 of 23178
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Originally Posted by Avliner View Post

Matter of fact I did a a mark with a sharpie pen for that purpose. Furthermore, now I'm getting more & more used to listen to music on Direct mode, which disables de SW though.

Keep in mind if you change the sub setting to LFE+Main, you'll enable the sub in DIRECT mode.
post #19394 of 23178
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Originally Posted by Mark Lem View Post

I posted this on the marantz 7701 thread, also wanted to post here. I've owned Denon 3300 in past, liked it, currently looking to replace an Integra preo/pro DHC 9.9 with a new pre/pro or receiver acting as a pre/pro...

I have read a number of people on AVS say that when they replaced a Denon piece with a Marantz they noticed a positive difference sonically. Assume that is true, would a sonically inferior Denon with XT32 sound better than a sonically superior Marantz with XT (like the marantz 7701 or 7005)?

Or just take out the Denon and Marantz brands and the debatable argument that the marantz is sonically superior to Denon. Lets say its something like a top of the line $7000 processor with just XT versus say a low end piece but with with XT32...

Does XT32 make up that much for sonic inferiority such that the $1200 XT32 piece sounds better than the $7000 XT piece in terms of bringing a soundtrack alive?

I'm busy right now, but I will post some thoughts on this in a bit.... I have owned all 3 units in question, as well as a 7000 dollar avr...

one quick note though... the assumed sonic superiority of marantz vs. denon is, ummm, a faulty assumption... wink.gif
post #19395 of 23178
+ 1 million

@ Mark Lem -- the key thing to understand is that current Marantz models ARE Denon receivers, they are simply rebadged / repackaged.
post #19396 of 23178
Yeah I'm not greatly knowledgable in this area. Also don't want to start a marantz/denon war. I need a new processor and am trying to figure out how big or small an effect XT32 makes. Does XT32 make a noticeable difference such that the 4311 would be preferable over say the avp-a1 with XT?
post #19397 of 23178
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Keep in mind if you change the sub setting to LFE+Main, you'll enable the sub in DIRECT mode.

Hey JD,

thanks for the reminder, but in my case I doubt this gonna happen though, as I always set my speakers to small smile.gif
post #19398 of 23178
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Originally Posted by Mark Lem View Post

I posted this on the marantz 7701 thread, also wanted to post here. I've owned Denon 3300 in past, liked it, currently looking to replace an Integra preo/pro DHC 9.9 with a new pre/pro or receiver acting as a pre/pro...
I have read a number of people on AVS say that when they replaced a Denon piece with a Marantz they noticed a positive difference sonically. Assume that is true, would a sonically inferior Denon with XT32 sound better than a sonically superior Marantz with XT (like the marantz 7701 or 7005)?
Or just take out the Denon and Marantz brands and the debatable argument that the marantz is sonically superior to Denon. Lets say its something like a top of the line $7000 processor with just XT versus say a low end piece but with with XT32...
Does XT32 make up that much for sonic inferiority such that the $1200 XT32 piece sounds better than the $7000 XT piece in terms of bringing a soundtrack alive?

All other things being equal, XT32 represents an improvement over XT. If other things are not equal, how can anyone draw a conclusion? This is like saying, any XT32 AVR will outperform any AVR that only has XT. Not sure that would be a true statement.
post #19399 of 23178
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Originally Posted by Avliner View Post

Hey JD,
thanks for the reminder, but in my case I doubt this gonna happen though, as I always set my speakers to small smile.gif

In DIRECT mode, SMALL does not apply.
post #19400 of 23178
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Originally Posted by Mark Lem View Post

I posted this on the marantz 7701 thread, also wanted to post here. I've owned Denon 3300 in past, liked it, currently looking to replace an Integra preo/pro DHC 9.9 with a new pre/pro or receiver acting as a pre/pro...
I have read a number of people on AVS say that when they replaced a Denon piece with a Marantz they noticed a positive difference sonically. Assume that is true, would a sonically inferior Denon with XT32 sound better than a sonically superior Marantz with XT (like the marantz 7701 or 7005)?
Or just take out the Denon and Marantz brands and the debatable argument that the marantz is sonically superior to Denon. Lets say its something like a top of the line $7000 processor with just XT versus say a low end piece but with with XT32...
Does XT32 make up that much for sonic inferiority such that the $1200 XT32 piece sounds better than the $7000 XT piece in terms of bringing a soundtrack alive?

not to pick on mark- as it's really not his fault, but this post is filled with so much conjecture and hearsay it gave me a headache just to read the half dozen sentences. Man alive, if you could select one "genre" of posts on this forum to eradicate forever, would it be anything besides these Denon vs Marantz /Integra vs Onkyo posts or the even more intellectually hideous: "this amp sounds better than the other" bees-nests?

I'm going to go lie down now, I guess I'm too high strung today.

$hit, I'm at work. Guess I'll lie later.

James
post #19401 of 23178
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Originally Posted by Mark Lem View Post

Yeah I'm not greatly knowledgable in this area. Also don't want to start a marantz/denon war. I need a new processor and am trying to figure out how big or small an effect XT32 makes. Does XT32 make a noticeable difference such that the 4311 would be preferable over say the avp-a1 with XT?

Most thinking, rational, humans would say yes, the uptick of XT 32 over XT will almost certainly have a more beneficial effect on the sound than any other variant in most rooms.

But I will almost assure you that someone will spend the balance of their Wednesday hyping torodial x-formers, DAC bit-number, sheer mass, and iron feet trying to prove me wrong.


James
Edited by mastermaybe - 9/19/12 at 11:48am
post #19402 of 23178
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Originally Posted by mastermaybe View Post

Most thinking, rational, humans would say yes, the uptick of XT 32 over XT will almost certainly have a more beneficial effect on the sound than any other variant in most rooms.
But I will almost assure you that someone will spend the balance of their Wednesday hyping torodial x-formers, DAC bit-number, sheer mass, and iron feet trying to prove me wrong.
James

I was in agreement with you until you mentioned iron feet. They make a big difference and if your AVR doesn't have them, you clearly aren't qualified to discuss it biggrin.gif

j/k (hopefully obviously) - to the OP, another vote for XT32 being worth it for the vast majority.
post #19403 of 23178
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Originally Posted by Mark Lem View Post

Yeah I'm not greatly knowledgable in this area. Also don't want to start a marantz/denon war. I need a new processor and am trying to figure out how big or small an effect XT32 makes. Does XT32 make a noticeable difference such that the 4311 would be preferable over say the avp-a1 with XT?

I have a 4310, which has XT, and I am running it with a SVS AS-EQ1, which does the same thing in equalizing the sub that XT32 does. I can tell you that there is a marked improvement in bass tightness and clarity with XT on when I switch on the SVS unit. So I would say yes, that XT32 adds significant improvement in the bass compared to XT. XT32 offers higher resolution in room correction for the non-subs compared to XT, but I don't have the equipment to see if the difference is audible.
post #19404 of 23178
JD,

my bad and thanks once again for correcting me cool.gif
post #19405 of 23178
Just trying to keep your sub pumping! biggrin.gif
post #19406 of 23178
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Originally Posted by davidbarrickman View Post

There was discussion about HDMI handshake issues a few posts back.
Any of you 4311 and/or 4310 owners ever tried to use a Sony KDL-32XBR9 as a monitor?
Intermittent flashing, occasional grey/white snow, picture drop out, green screen, etc. as issues/symptoms?
Have tried both AVRs with the Sony, 4310 does not "play well" and the 4311 is better but still glitchy...
Both AVRs work fine with my other 2 LCDs (Sony KDL-40XBR4, Samsung UN26BC4000)
Any help would be greatly appreciated, I've already tried numerous things...
Maybe someone out there has tried mating their Denon AVR with this particular Sony model...
Thanks!

You may not realize it, but there's a firmware update for your Sony.

http://esupport.sony.com/US/perl/swu-download.pl?upd_id=6525&mdl=KDL32XBR9
post #19407 of 23178
@ farkem thanks I appreciate your reply and the link
I am going to update soon
post #19408 of 23178
I can't get my 4311 to output to both monitor HDMI's.

I have an X3 projector in HDM out 1 and TV in HDMI out 2. I have BD player in HDMI input 1 (optical audio) and a Divco STB/HDD in HDMI input 2 with the audio in Coax-1.

With Monitor 1 selected, the BD player works fine to the projector. If I swap to Monitor 2, I get nothing out of HDMI 2, regardless of what the setting is, ie: Monitor 2 or Auto (both). With the Divco input source selected I can get sound but no pic, but only if Monitor 1 is selected (which I don't understand). If I select Mon 2 or Auto, I get nothing, no sound or pic. Everything works fine in either output (by swapping cables) with the BD player and projector, but I cannot get any video on the TV, regardless of which input device selected, or which cables are connected to which output.

When I was running my old pre-HDMI AVP-AV1, the HDMI connections from the BD and Divco were switched through an external box and both projector and TV worked fine as monitors. Why this new 'sophisticated' beast can't is beyond me. Any and all help/advice is most welcome. I have tried reading the manual (several timers) and can't seem to decrypt the info to a form that is intelligible or makes sense.

I appreciate it that this monster of an amp is almost infinitely configurable, but I was hoping that the simple things would be more automatic.

I too discovered that the menu system becomes inoperable from the remote control while watching a Blue-ray.

BTW.. The Setup button works when in FM radio mode.
post #19409 of 23178
^^^

possible handshake issue due to unacceptable resolution being sent to one of the displays... i.e. it sounds like you have a the i/p scaling turned on in the denon, passing 1080p, and one of the sinks won't take it, which is causjng the handshake to fail...

to check on this possibility, go check to see if you have the i/p scaler turned on... if so, turn it off and see what happens...
post #19410 of 23178
I had my first scare yesterday. While operating in stereo mode on rather low volume (around -30) the protection circuit suddenly kicked in. The thing is, it was neither 0.5 second flashes nor 2 second flashes, more like 1 second flashes. Anyway, the unit would turn itself on again without problem. It didn't feel warm (plenty of free space around it).

I checked all the wire connections and did notice one thing - there was a "loose fit" on the front left speaker, i.e. the binding posts needed to be tightened. I assume they'd loosened a bit due to vibrations. Could that have been it? I'm hoping it was. Today the receiver has been running fine.

(The speakers are Canton bookshelves, crossed over at 120Hz, and a subwoofer.)
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