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post #19921 of 21934
11/26/12 at 4:16pm
^^^

yup... i took pictures... smile.gif should get them up by the weekend...

getting closer to a "real" home theater... smile.gif
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post #19922 of 21934
11/26/12 at 4:27pm
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sadly, you are correct... i have a very hard time resisting shiny new toys... redface.gif
and yes, i suppose it's only fair you guys got me to spend some money after the damage i've done to you... biggrin.gif
after spending all day running wire and moving stuff around today* (what better way to spend a day off? tongue.gif ), i think i DESERVE a new toy... smile.gif
* i finally got all the electronics out of the theater room... now all i gotta do is glue everything back together again so i can actually use it... tongue.gif

Specious argument - but I used the same one with my wife after I worked about three weeks straight without a weekend break.

Warning Chris: I'm out of new toys after the latest set. The only shiny new ones conceivably left involve a TV mount/stand (I might break down and stick a 20" depth stand in front of the 43" cavity in the entertainment center, and I've already got one in mind from an online source that has a waterfall shelf design and tiltable bracket for the new Sony, thus replacing the Sanus Center Channel stand as well without neutering the CS-8080 center too badly), Calman+a color meter, and front heights.

I don't particularly need a Denon 4520 to replace my 4311, I don't really need a BDP-103 to replace my 93 (faster load time=big deal, and the Lumagen is a better waste of my money than a QDEO chip processing the 4311's pass-through HDMI), and I definitely am going to challenge the gods and say I don't need a Submersive or three with the two HSUs and living in a condo building.

Sorry....
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post #19923 of 21934
11/26/12 at 10:56pm
12 Gauge wire is coming, add xbox 360 halo edition to one of my toys. I haven't play much with this receiver yet. I saw the Dolby Volume something.
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post #19924 of 21934
11/27/12 at 4:36am
@stuart...

"need"? what's that? biggrin.gif

i hear you though... i'm tapped myself, and i'm supposed to be saving money for the ib build... frown.gif and realistically, it's not like my disk spinner gets a huge amount of use...
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post #19925 of 21934
11/27/12 at 6:41am
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Originally Posted by sdrucker View Post

I don't particularly need a Denon 4520 to replace my 4311
But it has a nice metal faceplate... biggrin.gif
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I don't really need a BDP-103 to replace my 93 (faster load time=big deal, and the Lumagen is a better waste of my money than a QDEO chip processing the 4311's pass-through HDMI)
In all seriousness, there's a more to the 103 vs the 93 than just (much) faster load times. For example, support for access to SMB shares is a very handy feature as it allows the player to access all supported file types, including AVCHD (Bluray) folder structures over the network which isn't possible via DLNA with the 93. With a bit of good planning, it's now possible to setup a large library of ripped Blurays to be accessed via the home network. There's also DLNA DMR support which allows one to use an external software player, such as J River Media Center, to send media to the Oppo which allows one to use the user interface of your choice to navigate your media. Oppo has also improved DVD playback over the 93. Not saying the upgrade is absolutely for you, but it's a definitely a worthwhile upgrade and probably wouldn't even cost much if you sold your 93 as the Oppo players hold their value pretty well (someone recently reported selling their BDP-83 for ~$75 less than they paid for it when upgrading to a 103).
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I definitely am going to challenge the gods and say I don't need a Submersive or three with the two HSUs and living in a condo building.
I would tend to agree that Submersive(s) and condo are probably not a good pairing, at least not if you don't want your neighbors complaining biggrin.gif. So the first step is to sell that condo and purchase a standalone house so you can get the Submersives... biggrin.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gif
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post #19926 of 21934
11/27/12 at 10:11am
I've been experimenting with the USB port on the 4311CI. I copied a lot of my Christmas albums in FLAC format to a USB flash drive and it plays fine via NET/USB.

To set up the flash drive, I copied the entire FLAC folder from my PC, which consisted of a folder for each album which contained the individual songs. I tried turning on random play but it appears that this will randomly play only the tracks from the current selected album.

Aside from copying each song individually, is there any way to have the 4311 randomly play songs from all (or multiple) albums/folders?
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post #19927 of 21934
11/27/12 at 10:22am
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

But it has a nice metal faceplate... biggrin.gif
In all seriousness, there's a more to the 103 vs the 93 than just (much) faster load times. For example, support for access to SMB shares is a very handy feature as it allows the player to access all supported file types, including AVCHD (Bluray) folder structures over the network which isn't possible via DLNA with the 93. With a bit of good planning, it's now possible to setup a large library of ripped Blurays to be accessed via the home network. There's also DLNA DMR support which allows one to use an external software player, such as J River Media Center, to send media to the Oppo which allows one to use the user interface of your choice to navigate your media. Oppo has also improved DVD playback over the 93. Not saying the upgrade is absolutely for you, but it's a definitely a worthwhile upgrade and probably wouldn't even cost much if you sold your 93 as the Oppo players hold their value pretty well (someone recently reported selling their BDP-83 for ~$75 less than they paid for it when upgrading to a 103).
I would tend to agree that Submersive(s) and condo are probably not a good pairing, at least not if you don't want your neighbors complaining biggrin.gif. So the first step is to sell that condo and purchase a standalone house so you can get the Submersives... biggrin.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gif

I bet there are hardcore audiophiles that _would_ look into selling their property or do building additions to better support a dedicated home theater, with a goal of adding Submersives:D. In our place they'd be large enough to be physically grotesque (well, maybe NOT the F2) - unless I sold WAF on them being works of art LOL. But we wouldn't really get our value with the deep bass; they can live with the ULS-15s fairly loud and with XT32+Pro, run flat to 15 Hz, but I think the Submersives would be tempting fate if played anywhere near reference.

Re the 103, it's more a matter of time tradeoffs than not having a desire to stream ripped BluRays more efficiently over a home network, or have a better integration with a streaming media player. However, I've put my A/V time into Audyssey, post-calibration assessment/tweaks of XT32+Pro runs, and researching a new display (as well as better integrating my Harmony into our setup).

Unfortunately there's only so many hours in a day - particularly when you have a 12/5 (sometimes 24/7) consulting business. OTOH, it helps pay for the shiny new toys:). But for now I'm happy with the 93 and an Apple TV interface. Keep sweet talking on the 103 thread and I may eventually change my mind there...after the other shiny new toys are paid for.
Edited by sdrucker - 11/27/12 at 10:51am
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post #19928 of 21934
11/27/12 at 11:35am
So I've had my 4311 for almost 2yrs but never played with Airplay much other than the original upgrade. Recently I tried it and couldn't get it to work. It recognized it and 'thought' it was playing to it, but nothing. I did an upgrade to the latest firmware and it started working .. very odd. Any thoughts? Also, when I'm doing airplay from my ipad, I occasionally lose the graphics on my projector or the time lags. Is this just the network being slow?
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post #19929 of 21934
11/27/12 at 6:54pm
Hey guys,

I had a 4311ci in my system with no issues, and recently swapped it out for an A100. And now I have an issue! tongue.gif

If a source is not turned on before the receiver is turned on, it will not synch and sends nothing to my projector. (CORRECTION: I get the DENON splash screen, but not the source material) I have to select another source, then come back to the source I want to play, then it synchs. Or I have to turn the receiver off and back on.

I am using a JVC RS45 Projector, and sources are Sony S790, DirecTV DVR, HD-A30, and PS3. It is an issue with all the sources. And again, this did not happen with the 4311ci.

Thanks in advance!
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post #19930 of 21934
11/27/12 at 7:36pm
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Originally Posted by fst96se View Post

Hey guys,
I had a 4311ci in my system with no issues, and recently swapped it out for an A100. And now I have an issue! tongue.gif
If a source is not turned on before the receiver is turned on, it will not synch and sends nothing to my projector. (CORRECTION: I get the DENON splash screen, but not the source material) I have to select another source, then come back to the source I want to play, then it synchs. Or I have to turn the receiver off and back on.
I am using a JVC RS45 Projector, and sources are Sony S790, DirecTV DVR, HD-A30, and PS3. It is an issue with all the sources. And again, this did not happen with the 4311ci.
Thanks in advance!

Funny ... I just noticed this with my 4311 and thought it was just me. I literally just updated the ordering and delays in irule to account for it. Thankfully the projector takes a while to warm up so its ok to give it a few more seconds. I'd be interested if anyone else has noticed it.
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post #19931 of 21934
11/28/12 at 2:48am
My 4311 is due to arrive on Friday. I'll let it warm up for a day before taking it out of it's box. Can hardly wait.
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post #19932 of 21934
11/28/12 at 3:11am
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My 4311 is due to arrive on Friday. I'll let it warm up for a day before taking it out of it's box. Can hardly wait.

It'll actually come up to room temperature faster if you take it out of the box - all that styrene foam acts as an insulator. That will cut down the waiting time! ;)

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post #19933 of 21934
11/28/12 at 3:15am
I thought letting it warm up in the box would result in less condensation. But if not then I won't wait. Hooking it up won't come until next week when my cleaning lady will be able to hold the tv steady as I move the rack out from the wall.
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post #19934 of 21934
11/28/12 at 9:06am
If it's really cold out I first open the box up and wait 1/2-1 h and then I remove the unit from the box and wait 1/2-1 h. Last, I remove all packing from the unit and wait 12-24h depending on how cold the unit was when delivered. Once the entire interior of the unit has come up to room temp any condensation should have evaporated. Never had a problem and it gets pretty cold here in MI.
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post #19935 of 21934
11/28/12 at 10:08am
what the heck are you guys talking about? Here in San Diego I just take crap out of the box and enjoy right away! biggrin.gif
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post #19936 of 21934
11/28/12 at 10:48am
Yes, I probably won't wait 24 hours. First thing is opening the box and getting the manual out. Its been in the teens until yesterday. Now it's near freezing.
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post #19937 of 21934
11/28/12 at 10:56am
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

what the heck are you guys talking about? Here in San Diego I just take crap out of the box and enjoy right away! biggrin.gif

yea yea yea...

we will send you a postcard after "the big one" happens and you are floating out to sea... tongue.gif
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post #19938 of 21934
11/28/12 at 11:05am
I live on top of a hill near the coast, so I'm hoping I end up with beach front property tongue.gif
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post #19939 of 21934
11/28/12 at 11:08am
^^^

lol... biggrin.gif

got a spare room? i've always wanted to live in san diego... smile.gif
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post #19940 of 21934
11/28/12 at 11:09am
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

what the heck are you guys talking about? Here in San Diego I just take crap out of the box and enjoy right away! biggrin.gif

That must really stink...
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post #19941 of 21934
11/28/12 at 11:12am
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Originally Posted by ccotenj View Post

^^^

lol... biggrin.gif

got a spare room? i've always wanted to live in san diego... smile.gif

I used to have a spare room but now it's got a crib in it wink.gif wouldn't be much fun to sleep in anymore!

The other spare room has a litter box for three cats, also wouldn't be much fun to sleep in tongue.gif

That's the downside to all this sunshine, the price I paid for a measly little 3 bedroom townhouse in coastal San Diego could have probably bought a pretty nice house in those toxic waste dumps, with more room and cash left over to have a REAL home theater instead of my piddly little 5.1 setup that I'm afraid to turn up loud because the walls here have no insulation tongue.gif
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post #19942 of 21934
11/28/12 at 11:23am
^^^

yea, wouldn't be good to share a room with the batpiglet... smile.gif

plus you don't glow in the dark like we do here.. all that radiation does have its upsides... tongue.gif

your townhouse is probably bigger than my shoebox... redface.gif although i do have the benefit of being detached AND made out of brick... even at threshhold of pain, you hear very little outside...
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post #19943 of 21934
11/28/12 at 1:07pm
Well after trying HDMI with my SA 8300HD for a few months I'm back to optical and component direct to my plasma. I was getting intermittent signal drops when powering up my system. It would happen maybe one out of ten times but it was a PITA. I find optical and component work fine but I did like having the 4311's OSD when watching TV.

Bill
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post #19944 of 21934
11/28/12 at 1:09pm
yeah, the SA 8300HD is a HDMI handshake mess. I used to have this box and also set it up on a friend's 4311 and another friend's 1909, and in both cases ended up with component + optical (although running through the receiver, not direct to TV).
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post #19945 of 21934
11/28/12 at 1:17pm
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

yeah, the SA 8300HD is a HDMI handshake mess. I used to have this box and also set it up on a friend's 4311 and another friend's 1909, and in both cases ended up with component + optical (although running through the receiver, not direct to TV).

bp,

So I could connect the component output of the SA8300HD to the 4311 and then use HDMI out to my display? No handshake issues with this configuration? Thanks smile.gif!

Bill
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post #19946 of 21934
11/28/12 at 2:22pm
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

yeah, the SA 8300HD is a HDMI handshake mess. I used to have this box and also set it up on a friend's 4311 and another friend's 1909, and in both cases ended up with component + optical (although running through the receiver, not direct to TV).

I think the problem depends on the firmware in the cable box. I had one of these SA boxes, and HDMI had handshake issues with my TV whenever I turned it on. Time Warner said, "Well, we don't support HDMI"! Eventually a firmware upgrade fixed this. Now I have an SA8300HDC box running through my 4310 via HDMI--never a single handshake issue in a year.
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post #19947 of 21934
11/28/12 at 2:34pm
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

So I could connect the component output of the SA8300HD to the 4311 and then use HDMI out to my display? No handshake issues with this configuration?

right, there wouldn't be handshake issues because there wouldn't be an HDMI connection between the box and the receiver. Then you could still use the scaling/processing of the receiver and get overlays for volume etc.

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Originally Posted by pbarach 
I think the problem depends on the firmware in the cable box.

you are probably right, but in my experience the 8300HD box consistently has issues with HDMI repeaters.
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post #19948 of 21934
11/28/12 at 2:37pm
What are they going to do when component is limited to 480i by the HDMI rules?
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post #19949 of 21934
11/28/12 at 2:42pm
does that apply to cable boxes?
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post #19950 of 21934
11/28/12 at 2:46pm
My memory might be defective but from what I recall all devices with HDMI after a certain date will be required to limit component video to 480i.
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