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post #19951 of 23136
to the best of my knowledge, the "analog sunset" only applies to bluray players...

could be wrong though...
post #19952 of 23136
Thats good news if true, not that I use component but many do. I just learned how to do without cable or their STBs.
post #19953 of 23136
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

right, there wouldn't be handshake issues because there wouldn't be an HDMI connection between the box and the receiver. Then you could still use the scaling/processing of the receiver and get overlays for volume etc.

bp,

Thanks, I'll give that a shot.

Bill
post #19954 of 23136
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Originally Posted by Theresa View Post

Thats good news if true, not that I use component but many do. I just learned how to do without cable or their STBs.

According to this, it's illegal to apply analog sunset to the following:
FCC Section 76.1903 explicitly prohibits the disabling of analog outputs on
satellite receivers, cable set-top boxes, and ATSC tuners intended to decode the over-the-air
digital ATSC signals broadcast by local television stations.

However, there's a limited waiver for applying Selectable Output Control to theatrical releases that appear on, say, VOD, for up to 90 days after first release, or when the DVD/BluRay release occurs (whichever occurs first), which will restrict those programs to HDMI only during that time period.

So I suppose it's still worthwhile to have component video outs on new AVRs as long as there's no further restriction on HD content. I know I'm grateful because it avoids the HDMI/set-up box glitches that are unfortunately still occuring with certain boxes. Even with my TiVo, I set it to component as a safeguard when connected to the 4311.


Source:
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CDQQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.blondertongue.com%2FUserFiles%2Ffile%2Fdocuments%2FTutorial_Analog%2520Sunset.pdf&ei=s6K2UMKsNIXZyQGS4ICIDg&usg=AFQjCNHXEgeLFq2TPL7U6Fh3I24doyLzZQ&sig2=8gS7k-E2gjvRnFwXc7TBIw
post #19955 of 23136
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

In all seriousness, there's a more to the 103 vs the 93 than just (much) faster load times. For example, support for access to SMB shares is a very handy feature as it allows the player to access all supported file types, including AVCHD (Bluray) folder structures over the network which isn't possible via DLNA with the 93. With a bit of good planning, it's now possible to setup a large library of ripped Blurays to be accessed via the home network. There's also DLNA DMR support which allows one to use an external software player, such as J River Media Center, to send media to the Oppo which allows one to use the user interface of your choice to navigate your media.

I find the SMB shares to be an very compelling feature for me to switch from my oppo 80 to the 103, but with the 103 being Cinavia enabled and it becoming more prevelant moving forward I am not so sure:eek: Maybe I will just stick with my oppo 80 with external HDD and ISO playback:rolleyes:
post #19956 of 23136
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

what the heck are you guys talking about? Here in San Diego I just take crap out of the box and enjoy right away! biggrin.gif
Same here in Sacramento, CA!wink.gif
post #19957 of 23136
My 4311ci screen display: Audyssey MultEQ XT DYN VOL
Why not display: Audyssey MultEQ XT32
Did I calibrate wrong?
Thanks.
post #19958 of 23136
^^
No, not a caiibration issue at all. If you refer to p. 121 in your Owner's manual, you'll note that is the correct display (less costly for D&M than creating a new display just for the 4311CI).
post #19959 of 23136
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Originally Posted by Bill Mac View Post

...So I could connect the component output of the SA8300HD to the 4311 and then use HDMI out to my display? No handshake issues with this configuration?...Bill
Indeed. That is exactly what i was doing for years and several different Denon AVRs and cable boxes. Works great.
With the recent cabinet change the cable box is much further from the AVR so I decided to replace the component/optical cabling from the att DVR to the AVR with a single HDMI and to my relief that has worked flawlessly.
post #19960 of 23136
@stuart...

thanks... smile.gif i thought that was the case, but was too lazy to google... redface.gif
post #19961 of 23136
I've read through the Pandora related discussions here and didn't seem to catch an answer to my specific issue so I'm hoping someone can help me out. When I try to use Pandora it asks me if I have an account or need a new one. I have one so I then proceed to put in my credentials, then hit "ok" upon hitting the ok button it flashes "Please wait" for maybe a second at most then just sits there. I have validated using regular internet radio that the receiver has an internet connection and checked for the latest firmware, etc. and the receiver reports that I am running the latest.

Any ideas on how I might be able to fix this or is anyone else experiencing this issue as well?

Thanks!

-Josh
post #19962 of 23136
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Originally Posted by TheYoshi View Post

I've read through the Pandora related discussions here and didn't seem to catch an answer to my specific issue so I'm hoping someone can help me out. When I try to use Pandora it asks me if I have an account or need a new one. I have one so I then proceed to put in my credentials, then hit "ok" upon hitting the ok button it flashes "Please wait" for maybe a second at most then just sits there. I have validated using regular internet radio that the receiver has an internet connection and checked for the latest firmware, etc. and the receiver reports that I am running the latest.
Any ideas on how I might be able to fix this or is anyone else experiencing this issue as well?
Thanks!
-Josh

I just started having the same problems today. frown.gif

Anybody have any info on this?
post #19963 of 23136
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Originally Posted by RBDan View Post

I just started having the same problems today. frown.gif
Anybody have any info on this?

I wish I can use Pandora here in Korea frown.gif. I have to use Jango or Grooveshark from PS3 web browser to play my music. Did anyone have a problem with xbox 360?, I have audio setting in Dobly digital 5.1, but when I start up my Xbox 360. It stays at Plz LL, I had to go into Xbox360's sound setting and set it to Stereo, then back to Dobly Digital 5.1. It's connected through HDMI.
Edited by kanti123 - 11/30/12 at 1:39am
post #19964 of 23136
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Originally Posted by RBDan View Post

I just started having the same problems today. frown.gif
Anybody have any info on this?

I was wrong It isn't a problem with Pandora's service, another post says that its a problem with Onkyo's and they are working on a firmware fix.
Edited by Theresa - 11/30/12 at 3:50am
post #19965 of 23136
there have been several issues with Pandora lately, it's probably something that will be fixed in future firmware updates.
post #19966 of 23136
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Originally Posted by kanti123 View Post

Did anyone have a problem with xbox 360?, I have audio setting in Dobly digital 5.1, but when I start up my Xbox 360. It stays at Plz LL, I had to go into Xbox360's sound setting and set it to Stereo, then back to Dobly Digital 5.1. It's connected through HDMI.

this is a common and well known HDMI handshake bug -- it generally has to do with the timing of the power-up of the devices. The Xbox 360 (despite being set to 5.1 output) when powered on before the receiver is fully on gets the wrong EDID (probably from the display passing through) info and locks itself into stereo output. If you rebooted the Xbox it would probably work properly... see if the problem occurs when you wait to turn the 360 on until after the receiver is fully powered on.
post #19967 of 23136
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

there have been several issues with Pandora lately, it's probably something that will be fixed in future firmware updates.

Good to know. I just started having the issue since yesterday evening and still havent been able to get it to work, so im just listening to it through my bluray player - which decodes it into 7.1 discrete channels - i found this interesting..not sure if ill use it instead of the direct 2ch playback that the denon outputs...

Also - Does upgrading to Pandora One change the quality to our in-home devices (ie the denon) to 192kbps streaming or do our devices already get the 192? I cant recall what the denon gui stated (i thought it was 128kbps).
post #19968 of 23136
I think all 3rd party streaming devices (i.e. not a computer) stream Pandora at a constant bitrate and are unaffected by whether you have the upgraded service.
post #19969 of 23136
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

I think all 3rd party streaming devices (i.e. not a computer) stream Pandora at a constant bitrate and are unaffected by whether you have the upgraded service.

Yeah, i think you are right, batpig. I sent an email to Pandora for confirmation. I'll post back their response once i get it. Thanks
post #19970 of 23136
This is a different Pandora issue than the one we've been talking about for the last couple months...see below.

Important Announcement forDenon Customers Using Pandora Internet Radio

Dear Denon customer,


Please be advised that Pandora Internet Radio has recently altered certain connection requirements which have temporarily blocked our products from connecting to the Pandora service. Our engineers are currently working hard and will have a firmware update available as soon as possible via the internet to resolve this issue. This should not affect your product’s ability to receive other music streaming services. Please visit our website for firmware update schedule information after 12/6.

We sincerely apologize for any inconvenience that Pandora’s alteration has caused.

AV Receivers:

AVR-1613, AVR-1713, AVR-1913, AVR-2113CI, AVR-2313CI, AVR-3313CI, AVR-4520CI, AVR-1912, AVR-2112CI, AVR-2312CI, AVR-3312CI, AVR-3311CI, AVR-991, AVR-4311CI, AVR-A100




Other Models:

DRA-N5, RCD-N7, DNP-720, DN-700H (Denon Professional)
post #19971 of 23136
That fixed it thanks
post #19972 of 23136
My 4311 arrived at 6pm yesterday. The 4311s box is in a much larger box partially filled with foam "peanuts." Took a short look at the manual, not much to learn from it at first glance. I won't be able to set it up until Tuesday at the soonest.
post #19973 of 23136
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Originally Posted by Theresa View Post

My 4311 arrived at 6pm yesterday. The 4311s box is in a much larger box partially filled with foam "peanuts." Took a short look at the manual, not much to learn from it at first glance. I won't be able to set it up until Tuesday at the soonest.

 

I'd be interested in your learning curve on it, coming from Onkyo. Specifically, the differences in setup vs the Onkyo. One of the things that keeps me with Onkyo (in addition to my not having had any problems with them and also finding them to be sensationally good units at the higher end) is that I don't really want to have to go through a whole new learning experience with a prepro - I know exactly how my 5509 works, where everything is etc. Your experience will be invaluable to me.

post #19974 of 23136
Yes, I am hesitant to give up using my Onkyo because it has become comfortable to me. Its not like the UMC-1 that was an irritation to use. I don't think the learning curve will be very steep. I tend to figure out such things quickly. Audyssey will be pretty much the same with a few improvements. Getting it out of the box, into the rack, and hooked up will be the most difficult part of the process.
post #19975 of 23136
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Originally Posted by Theresa View Post

Yes, I am hesitant to give up using my Onkyo because it has become comfortable to me. Its not like the UMC-1 that was an irritation to use. I don't think the learning curve will be very steep. I tend to figure out such things quickly. Audyssey will be pretty much the same with a few improvements. Getting it out of the box, into the rack, and hooked up will be the most difficult part of the process.

 

I'll be interested in your findings once you have it in the rack (good luck with that BTW - I assume you have someone to help you there). I have a lot of respect for the 4311 and think it is a superb unit, especially at the current price.

post #19976 of 23136
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Originally Posted by Theresa View Post

My 4311 arrived at 6pm yesterday. The 4311s box is in a much larger box partially filled with foam "peanuts." Took a short look at the manual, not much to learn from it at first glance. I won't be able to set it up until Tuesday at the soonest.

Mine was tigtly pack with foam, but not foam nuts. biggrin.gif less messy



post #19977 of 23136
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

I'll be interested in your findings once you have it in the rack (good luck with that BTW - I assume you have someone to help you there). I have a lot of respect for the 4311 and think it is a superb unit, especially at the current price.

Not to mention the "superb" support provided in this thread. biggrin.gif
post #19978 of 23136
Yes, much less messy. I hate foam peanuts, just getting the inside box open scattered the things around on the floor. There is a small hole in the outside box probably due to UPS handling, but it didn't hurt the inside box AFAIK.
post #19979 of 23136
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

I'll be interested in your findings once you have it in the rack (good luck with that BTW - I assume you have someone to help you there). I have a lot of respect for the 4311 and think it is a superb unit, especially at the current price.

Not to mention the "superb" support provided in this thread. biggrin.gif

Absolutely. You and batpig are AVS legends....

post #19980 of 23136
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

Absolutely. You and batpig are AVS legends....
As you are too, Keith. AVS is a wonderful resource that I wouldn't want to live without.
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