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post #2071 of 23144
Guys, when you review the receiver, please state what surround mode do you use, and more importantly whether DynEQ is on/off and what Audyssey mode is used (default vs flat).

My initial listening session (to music) indicates I prefer the Audyssey flat setting over the default.
post #2072 of 23144
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Originally Posted by unclemat View Post

Guys, when you review the receiver, please state what surround mode do you use, and more importantly whether DynEQ is on/off and what Audyssey mode is used (default vs flat).

My initial listening session (to music) indicates I prefer the Audyssey flat setting over the default.

Yes, I normally use either Dynamic Volume Day or Evening. EQ always on, 11.2. I noted this in the first review and implied much in the second. As also discussed, I usually leave all other features as set by initial set up. For bad TV I will tweak and declare as such. To be specific: when signal in is 2.1 or 5.1 DD my usual processing is original signal processed to 7.1 PLIIx Cinema, processed to Audyssey EQ default, processed to Audyssey DSX H+W, processed to Dynamic Volume Day or Evening. Sometimes and when the kids are not asleep I'll ditch the Dynamic Volume. I am not exactly sure of the sequence between the Audyssey steps but in the end I don't care much.
post #2073 of 23144
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Originally Posted by SeattleHTGuy View Post

Yes, I normally use either Dynamic Volume Day or Evening. EQ always on, 11.2. I noted this in the first review and implied much in the second. As also discussed, I usually leave all other features as set by initial set up. For bad TV I will tweak and declare as such. To be specific: when signal in is 2.1 or 5.1 DD my usual processing is original signal processed to 7.1 PLIIx Cinema, processed to Audyssey EQ default, processed to Audyssey DSX H+W, processed to Dynamic Volume Day or Evening. Sometimes and when the kids are not asleep I'll ditch the Dynamic Volume. I am not exactly sure of the sequence between the Audyssey steps but in the end I don't care much.

Seattlehtguy, I enjoyed your reviews. I came to the 4311 from an Onkyo 5007 using all external amps. I have an 11.2 set up. I agree bassically first wides than heights and than rear (backs) so I thought too the back surrounds were unimportant. I agree the sub eq gives me the best base I have ever had I run two 18" subs one ads and the other a vellodyne . Last night I watched Valkyre the audio was amazing. Thee is a desert attack scene near the beginning. and a bomb shelter scene a bit later on. really shows off height wides and with rear surround the flyovers are sensational. I used dynamic eq dynamic volume and aud dsxHeight and wide. Just terrific. The other thing you notice with the xt32 is the small detail birds and other minor sounds you might not hear with other systems I also set it on proligicII cinema with cinema eq on. This does kinda make me wish I waited for the A100. I turn off auddsx when watching anything that is not recorded in at least 5.1. In that case the sound gets a bit of an echo. But thanks for your detailed review it is right on.
post #2074 of 23144
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Originally Posted by william06 View Post


Seattlehtguy, I enjoyed your reviews. I came to the 4311 from an Onkyo 5007 using all external amps. I have an 11.2 set up. I agree bassically first wides than heights and than rear (backs) so I thought too the back surrounds were unimportant. I agree the sub eq gives me the best base I have ever had I run two 18" subs one ads and the other a vellodyne . Last night I watched Valkyre the audio was amazing. Thee is a desert attack scene near the beginning. and a bomb shelter scene a bit later on. really shows off height wides and with rear surround the flyovers are sensational. I used dynamic eq dynamic volume and aud dsxHeight and wide. Just terrific. The other thing you notice with the xt32 is the small detail birds and other minor sounds you might not hear with other systems I also set it on proligicII cinema with cinema eq on. This does kinda make me wish I waited for the A100. I turn off auddsx when watching anything that is not recorded in at least 5.1. In that case the sound gets a bit of an echo. But thanks for your detailed review it is right on.

Seattle, William thanks for the review/initial take. I am enjoying your inputs very much. So much so, that I am thinking of pulling out the old svs pb12 to pair with my ultra13. My initial thinking was to go back to 7.1 from my current heights + 7.1 via my 4810 at recommendation of a system calibrator. However, now I am thinking of dropping the rears and forcing the wides into my setup. If for nothing else a comparison on the affect. If folks don't mind would it be possible to post photos of your speaker setups? My room is about 15 deep by 19 wide but was under the assumption that for true wides I didn't have enough front to pull it off successfully. How much front does one really require to pull this setup off? Are the degrees from seating position that crucial or does xt32 do a good enough job to offset any placement/ room dynamics?
post #2075 of 23144
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Originally Posted by SeattleHTGuy View Post

I would love to hear from others, especially regarding the Sub EQ stuff and my observations of more audio activity in the back of my room. I need justification to improve my last crappy set of speakers (The Rear Surrounds).

Nice progress, Seattle! You may have seen from my earlier post that I raised the combined level of my two subs by 3.5 dB because they were measuring low when compared with my sattelite levels. I did this yesterday, and haven't had enough time to form an opinion as to whether this is a better setting. I would be interested in hearing your levels using the SPL and the internal AVR test tones. Does your sub channel measure low as well?

I am currently running only a 7.2 system, no wides or hights. Do you think either of these speaker sets add much to music listening?
post #2076 of 23144
Yes, thanks for the reviews.

Looks like I'll be moving from 4810 to 4311 to deal with my very disparate subs (dual 18" sealed, and Danley DTS-10 tapped horn).

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Originally Posted by mariob33 View Post

My room is about 15 deep by 19 wide but was under the assumption that for true wides I didn't have enough front to pull it off successfully. How much front does one really require to pull this setup off? Are the degrees from seating position that crucial or does xt32 do a good enough job to offset any placement/ room dynamics?

Most people can't properly place the Wides on their front wall; in order to approach anything like the correct angle they will move away from the front wall along the side walls.

Mine ended up 4' from either end of my couch, and even in the end seats they don't call attention to themselves but still expand the soundstage.

XT32 really can't help you here.
post #2077 of 23144
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Originally Posted by mariob33 View Post

Seattle, William thanks for the review/initial take. I am enjoying your inputs very much. So much so, that I am thinking of pulling out the old svs pb12 to pair with my ultra13. My initial thinking was to go back to 7.1 from my current heights + 7.1 via my 4810 at recommendation of a system calibrator. However, now I am thinking of dropping the rears and forcing the wides into my setup. If for nothing else a comparison on the affect. If folks don't mind would it be possible to post photos of your speaker setups? My room is about 15 deep by 19 wide but was under the assumption that for true wides I didn't have enough front to pull it off successfully. How much front does one really require to pull this setup off? Are the degrees from seating position that crucial or does xt32 do a good enough job to offset any placement/ room dynamics?

Probably if Chris from Ausessey were here hed slap me up beside the head I am having trouble with pics on my computer if I can get it it will . I have a mixed bag of speakers. I have just changed the heights and wides. My room is about 15 x 24 ft I have 2 def tech Bipold Heights and two deft tech wides. My mains are big JBL 4ways my center is a B&W L/c/r. My rears are Polk bi pole dipoles and my back are two Polks (center Speakers) Audessey does a really good job of leveling and blending all these together. Never seemed a problem to me. I have Two 18" subs a Velo and an ADS. My wides are about 4ft forward toe the mains on the side walls. the heights are about 3ft back and up behind the mains. Center under the screen . The surrounds are mounted on special shelves from the ceiling and the back on two tall bookshelves. All in all it sounds great and the backs do really help fill the room especiall when the heights kick in . Sounds amazing
The curtains hide a screen frame with a pull down daylite high contrast screen and masking system.
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post #2078 of 23144
Audessey set my center mains and both back and side surrounds at large and the heights and wides at small 80 hz the others a t 40. I have lfe set to both lfe and mains. at frist I was tempted to turn up the subs a bit but glad I left it alone. Base when called for is very strong but not distorted and tight. I also use a buttkicker but just rarely and it was off during set up. I reset audessey three times before I was completely happy. I do not like heights with most music but with classical and choral it is awesome. I tried a couple of concert videos with the whole shebang and again a u are there feeling. Most reg tv I just use 5.1 ith dsx dissengaged unles a really good recording. Lide seattle said csi. Mariob I hope those pics help but I know mostly it goes against the Audessey grain but Sound great. The biggest thing here for me is the x32 and subeq. best my subs ever sounded.
post #2079 of 23144
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Originally Posted by noah katz View Post

Yes, thanks for the reviews.

Looks like I'll be moving from 4810 to 4311 to deal with my very disparate subs (dual 18" sealed, and Danley DTS-10 tapped horn).

Most people can't properly place the Wides on their front wall; in order to approach anything like the correct angle they will move away from the front wall along the side walls.

Mine ended up 4' from either end of my couch, and even in the end seats they don't call attention to themselves but still expand the soundstage.

XT32 really can't help you here.

My problem is that I am not using the full room for front stage. I stop at 19 which gives me about 4 feet on either size of my screen for front placements and my sub kitty cornered. One wide would be no where near a side wall. Maybe I'll place the wides in and take a picture for some feedback. I would love to hear what others think of my interpretation of the speaker placements.
post #2080 of 23144
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Originally Posted by william06 View Post


Probably if Chris from Ausessey were here hed slap me up beside the head I am having trouble with pics on my computer if I can get it it will . I have a mixed bag of speakers. I have just changed the heights and wides. My room is about 15 x 24 ft I have 2 def tech Bipold Heights and two deft tech wides. My mains are big JBL 4ways my center is a B&W L/c/r. My rears are Polk bi pole dipoles and my back are two Polks (center Speakers) Audessey does a really good job of leveling and blending all these together. Never seemed a problem to me. I have Two 18" subs a Velo and an ADS. My wides are about 4ft forward toe the mains on the side walls. the heights are about 3ft back and up behind the mains. Center under the screen . The surrounds are mounted on special shelves from the ceiling and the back on two tall bookshelves. All in all it sounds great and the backs do really help fill the room especiall when the heights kick in . Sounds amazing
The curtains hide a screen frame with a pull down daylite high contrast screen and masking system.

Hmm I'm actually thinking of using pair of deftech sm350 or 450 as wides. I have all deftech up front with the built in subs. But I use them as small with a cutoff of 80 hz so limiting.
post #2081 of 23144
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Originally Posted by william06 View Post

Audessey set my center mains and both back and side surrounds at large and the heights and wides at small 80 hz the others a t 40. I have lfe set to both lfe and mains. at frist I was tempted to turn up the subs a bit but glad I left it alone. Base when called for is very strong but not distorted and tight. I also use a buttkicker but just rarely and it was off during set up. I reset audessey three times before I was completely happy. I do not like heights with most music but with classical and choral it is awesome. I tried a couple of concert videos with the whole shebang and again a u are there feeling. Most reg tv I just use 5.1 ith dsx dissengaged unles a really good recording. Lide seattle said csi. Mariob I hope those pics help but I know mostly it goes against the Audessey grain but Sound great. The biggest thing here for me is the x32 and subeq. best my subs ever sounded.

Hmm I didn't see the pictures. But I'm on a iPad and at times the app acts a little flaky. I'll look when I get home. Thanks for the input. Based on what you and seattle are saying sounds like its worth a try even if the speakers are not ideally placed. The initial plan was to use the A100 as a pre pro but I'm rethinking that now. I may even get the speakers going now with the 4810 and wait for xt32 for the dual subs.
post #2082 of 23144
Here is my room. Note the black cans in front the Heights are near these and this pic is pre Heights. I will need to take new photos. I'll also put up the rack with the 4311 and Monster Power 7000.

You can see the in ceiling Surrounds just barely in the back of room pic. Also note, the rear surrounds are a bit too high. This sort of blends better with the In Ceiling Surrounds. Subs are pretty hidden and I have made a few changes to the room. Note, my screen is where the window is and is not centered exactly in the room. Thus EQ helps.





post #2083 of 23144
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Originally Posted by william06 View Post

Seattlehtguy, I enjoyed your reviews. I came to the 4311 from an Onkyo 5007 using all external amps. I have an 11.2 set up. I agree bassically first wides than heights and than rear (backs) so I thought too the back surrounds were unimportant. I agree the sub eq gives me the best base I have ever had I run two 18" subs one ads and the other a vellodyne . Last night I watched Valkyre the audio was amazing. Thee is a desert attack scene near the beginning. and a bomb shelter scene a bit later on. really shows off height wides and with rear surround the flyovers are sensational. I used dynamic eq dynamic volume and aud dsxHeight and wide. Just terrific. The other thing you notice with the xt32 is the small detail birds and other minor sounds you might not hear with other systems I also set it on proligicII cinema with cinema eq on. This does kinda make me wish I waited for the A100. I turn off auddsx when watching anything that is not recorded in at least 5.1. In that case the sound gets a bit of an echo. But thanks for your detailed review it is right on.

William, why did you switch to the Denon from the Onkyo? What are the differences you notice, either sound or feature-wise?
post #2084 of 23144
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Originally Posted by SeattleHTGuy View Post

Here is my room. Note the black cans in front the Heights are near these and this pic is pre Heights. I will need to take new photos. I'll also put up the rack with the 4311 and Monster Power 7000.

You can see the in ceiling Surrounds just barely in the back of room pic. Also note, the rear surrounds are a bit too high. This sort of blends better with the In Ceiling Surrounds. Subs are pretty hidden and I have made a few changes to the room. Note, my screen is where the window is and is not centered exactly in the room. Thus EQ helps.






Looks to me like you're power starved ... not sure you've got quite enough amps in there.
post #2085 of 23144
Anyone else having audio dropouts using the iPod Direct Connect? My iPhone plays for about 2-3 minutes, then stutters and drops out entirely. There's a percentage indicator on the display, not a clue what it's for (no reference in the manual that I can find), the song plays fine until that number hits 30%, at which point it drops to 0% and no audio.

On the phone with Denon tech support - been on hold a while now - we'll see what's up.
post #2086 of 23144
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Originally Posted by william06 View Post

I reset audessey three times before I was completely happy.

By reset do you mean you re-ran Audyssey EQ setup?

What did you do differently to get what you liked?
post #2087 of 23144
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Originally Posted by mariob33 View Post

My problem is that I am not using the full room for front stage. I stop at 19 which gives me about 4 feet on either size of my screen for front placements and my sub kitty cornered. One wide would be no where near a side wall.

Not ideal, but the two Wides don't necessarily need to be symmetrical; they only need be on lines at 60 deg +/- 5 deg.
post #2088 of 23144
Could someone send me a PM with a working coupon code. I've decided to sell my 1007 and get the 4311.
post #2089 of 23144
mattsplat, Yah, I have issues and love da power! I actually have three dedicated lines to the media room. 1 for just the projector. It's a Xenon Bulb Sony job and sucks quite a bit of juice. I have one for the rack and an additional line for the ancillary powered gizmos in the closet next to the rack. With my latest redesign, I took a very hot running Linksys switch out of the rack area and replaced with a Green cool running switch in the closet. Overall temp went down substantially in the closed rack space.

I am going to throw everything at my speakers this weekend and see how much power I do suck out of the wall, guns blazing. This is one of the reasons I just upgraded the Power Center, I wanted to know exactly how much current I was sucking. So far, the whole enchilada idles at 5.1 to 5.7 amps and watching TV at -15 db on the 4311 I get 6.6 to 6.9. I have seen my old Power Center hit the 12 amp light but it was a cheaper read out. My ultimate goal may be to run 2 dedicated lines to the rack (easy to do) and see if there is any difference. I highly, highly doubt it but I am in experimenting mode. Also, the Blue Read Out of the Monster Power, Blue of the Emo's and the Blue of the Denon just look cool. Totally stupid, I know but it makes me happy.
post #2090 of 23144
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Originally Posted by SeattleHTGuy View Post

mattsplat, Yah, I have issues and love da power! I actually have three dedicated lines to the media room. 1 for just the projector. It's a Xenon Bulb Sony job and sucks quite a bit of juice. I have one for the rack and an additional line for the ancillary powered gizmos in the closet next to the rack. With my latest redesign, I took a very hot running Linksys switch out of the rack area and replaced with a Green cool running switch in the closet. Overall temp went down substantially in the closed rack space.

I am going to throw everything at my speakers this weekend and see how much power I do suck out of the wall, guns blazing. This is one of the reasons I just upgraded the Power Center, I wanted to know exactly how much current I was sucking. So far, the whole enchilada idles at 5.1 to 5.7 amps and watching TV at -15 db on the 4311 I get 6.6 to 6.9. I have seen my old Power Center hit the 12 amp light but it was a cheaper read out. My ultimate goal may be to run 2 dedicated lines to the rack (easy to do) and see if there is any difference. I highly, highly doubt it but I am in experimenting mode. Also, the Blue Read Out of the Monster Power, Blue of the Emo's and the Blue of the Denon just look cool. Totally stupid, I know but it makes me happy.

damn that is some juice.. I run my tube amps and rarely see north of 4.
post #2091 of 23144
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Originally Posted by lprager View Post

William, why did you switch to the Denon from the Onkyo? What are the differences you notice, either sound or feature-wise?

Mostly features. The xt32 and the fact you can do the 11.2 not have to choose either back or both front and wides. In fact the 5007 you could only use either Heights or width . Amp wise I do not know except from the past Dennons I hav owned . I started using the Onkyo as a pre pro and use the denon as one . I also never had an issue with any of prior denons ans the same with this one. Had a few in the beginning with the Onkyo .
post #2092 of 23144
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Originally Posted by mattsplat View Post

Anyone else having audio dropouts using the iPod Direct Connect? My iPhone plays for about 2-3 minutes, then stutters and drops out entirely. There's a percentage indicator on the display, not a clue what it's for (no reference in the manual that I can find), the song plays fine until that number hits 30%, at which point it drops to 0% and no audio.

On the phone with Denon tech support - been on hold a while now - we'll see what's up.

I have had no issues with the older Ipod I have direct with ipod usb. I have no issues with the net or pandora one. Pandora sounds great on this unit.
post #2093 of 23144
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Originally Posted by noah katz View Post

By reset do you mean you re-ran Audyssey EQ setup?

What did you do differently to get what you liked?

Mike placement. I also shifted my subs a bit sounds great. I have a lot of ills in my set up mismatched speakers L shaped room My wife puts a lot of stuffed garbage around etc. audxt32 cures those evils in a big way for me. I have been at this hobby for 30+ years and I have never had better sound. More than just being a Denon I think the tech is all here compared to the onkyo. I had the thx ultra 2 setting and never used it. I sure wouldnt now.
post #2094 of 23144
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Originally Posted by SeattleHTGuy View Post

mattsplat, Yah, I have issues and love da power! I actually have three dedicated lines to the media room. 1 for just the projector. It's a Xenon Bulb Sony job and sucks quite a bit of juice. I have one for the rack and an additional line for the ancillary powered gizmos in the closet next to the rack. With my latest redesign, I took a very hot running Linksys switch out of the rack area and replaced with a Green cool running switch in the closet. Overall temp went down substantially in the closed rack space.

I am going to throw everything at my speakers this weekend and see how much power I do suck out of the wall, guns blazing. This is one of the reasons I just upgraded the Power Center, I wanted to know exactly how much current I was sucking. So far, the whole enchilada idles at 5.1 to 5.7 amps and watching TV at -15 db on the 4311 I get 6.6 to 6.9. I have seen my old Power Center hit the 12 amp light but it was a cheaper read out. My ultimate goal may be to run 2 dedicated lines to the rack (easy to do) and see if there is any difference. I highly, highly doubt it but I am in experimenting mode. Also, the Blue Read Out of the Monster Power, Blue of the Emo's and the Blue of the Denon just look cool. Totally stupid, I know but it makes me happy.

Nice Nice very Nice.
post #2095 of 23144
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Originally Posted by mariob33 View Post

Hmm I didn't see the pictures. But I'm on a iPad and at times the app acts a little flaky. I'll look when I get home. Thanks for the input. Based on what you and seattle are saying sounds like its worth a try even if the speakers are not ideally placed. The initial plan was to use the A100 as a pre pro but I'm rethinking that now. I may even get the speakers going now with the 4810 and wait for xt32 for the dual subs.

Do it what can you loose at least you would be ready for the A100 I am jealous.
post #2096 of 23144
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Originally Posted by SeattleHTGuy View Post

mattsplat, Yah, I have issues and love da power! I actually have three dedicated lines to the media room. 1 for just the projector. It's a Xenon Bulb Sony job and sucks quite a bit of juice. I have one for the rack and an additional line for the ancillary powered gizmos in the closet next to the rack. With my latest redesign, I took a very hot running Linksys switch out of the rack area and replaced with a Green cool running switch in the closet. Overall temp went down substantially in the closed rack space.

I am going to throw everything at my speakers this weekend and see how much power I do suck out of the wall, guns blazing. This is one of the reasons I just upgraded the Power Center, I wanted to know exactly how much current I was sucking. So far, the whole enchilada idles at 5.1 to 5.7 amps and watching TV at -15 db on the 4311 I get 6.6 to 6.9. I have seen my old Power Center hit the 12 amp light but it was a cheaper read out. My ultimate goal may be to run 2 dedicated lines to the rack (easy to do) and see if there is any difference. I highly, highly doubt it but I am in experimenting mode. Also, the Blue Read Out of the Monster Power, Blue of the Emo's and the Blue of the Denon just look cool. Totally stupid, I know but it makes me happy.

I was wondering about the electrical situation - wonder what the electrician had to say when you asked him to run three (15A I assume) lines to one room

Odd that a network switch would produce so much heat compared to amps that size ... guessing that was a business-style 24P rackmounted, managed perhaps, to be that hot.

I've just got the 4311 on a table right now, can't get it setup properly yet. Keep us posted on your setup!
post #2097 of 23144
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Originally Posted by william06 View Post

I have had no issues with the older Ipod I have direct with ipod usb. I have no issues with the net or pandora one. Pandora sounds great on this unit.

So I talked to Kelly from Denon tech, very nice - she actually went and plugged an iPhone into a 4311 they had in the lab there to test it, no problems. She stayed on with me while I tried an iPod Classic and a thumbdrive, which both worked fine, so she suggested I call Apple ... which I may do.

For reference - whenever you're playing back a digital stream on the unit, that 100% number on the bottom right is the status of the buffer. My iPhone is a 3GS with iOS 4.1, you'll gradually see the buffer drop from 100 > 90 > 70 > 50 > 30, and it drops soon after that.

I got a friend's 3GS later and plugged it in, worked fine - SW version 3.1.3, go figure (the lazy non-updating bastage). Had him update it, it's plugged in now and running, we'll see what happens.

edit: It's version 4.1 that does it! After updating my friend's 3GS does the exact same thing ... so I'll be bugging Apple and updating Denon shortly.
post #2098 of 23144
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Originally Posted by mattsplat View Post

So I talked to Kelly from Denon tech, very nice - she actually went and plugged an iPhone into a 4311 they had in the lab there to test it, no problems. She stayed on with me while I tried an iPod Classic and a thumbdrive, which both worked fine, so she suggested I call Apple ... which I may do.

For reference - whenever you're playing back a digital stream on the unit, that %100 number on the bottom right is the status of the buffer. My iPhone is a 3GS with iOS 4.1, you'll gradually see the buffer drop from 100 > 90 > 70 > 50 > 30, and it drops soon after that.

I got a friend's 3GS later and plugged it in, worked fine - SW version 3.1.3, go figure (the lazy non-updating bastage). Had him update it, it's plugged in now and running, we'll see what happens.

edit: It's version 4.1 that does it! After updating my friend's 3GS does the exact same thing ... so I'll be bugging Apple and updating Denon shortly.

looks like your going in the right direction.
post #2099 of 23144
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Originally Posted by SeattleHTGuy View Post

Here is my room. Note the black cans in front the Heights are near these and this pic is pre Heights. I will need to take new photos. I'll also put up the rack with the 4311 and Monster Power 7000.

You can see the in ceiling Surrounds just barely in the back of room pic. Also note, the rear surrounds are a bit too high. This sort of blends better with the In Ceiling Surrounds. Subs are pretty hidden and I have made a few changes to the room. Note, my screen is where the window is and is not centered exactly in the room. Thus EQ helps.





Whoa...how much power is too much power...that is a very nice setup. I think my room is very similar to yours. Except my audio is equipment is under the screen. That room is impressive. What type of rack is that? I have been looking to do something similar..
post #2100 of 23144
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Originally Posted by mattsplat View Post


So I talked to Kelly from Denon tech, very nice - she actually went and plugged an iPhone into a 4311 they had in the lab there to test it, no problems. She stayed on with me while I tried an iPod Classic and a thumbdrive, which both worked fine, so she suggested I call Apple ... which I may do.

For reference - whenever you're playing back a digital stream on the unit, that 100% number on the bottom right is the status of the buffer. My iPhone is a 3GS with iOS 4.1, you'll gradually see the buffer drop from 100 > 90 > 70 > 50 > 30, and it drops soon after that.

I got a friend's 3GS later and plugged it in, worked fine - SW version 3.1.3, go figure (the lazy non-updating bastage). Had him update it, it's plugged in now and running, we'll see what happens.

edit: It's version 4.1 that does it! After updating my friend's 3GS does the exact same thing ... so I'll be bugging Apple and updating Denon shortly.

Craps. Looks like the denons have the same problems the pioneers have. The 4.1 messed up the pioneers also. Can some others test it on their phones also.
P.s. It happens on the iPhone3g/s and iPhone 4 also.
Fwiw
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