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post #21061 of 21934
2/20/13 at 4:50am
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Thanks for the feedback. I am currently using Emerald Physics 2.7 speakers with a modified Behringer crossover for my fronts, Tyler Acoustics Linbrook Monitors for my center and surrounds, and an ACI Titan sub. I have used matching speakers for HT and I agree matched timber works best for HT duty. In my case the Emerald Physics are amazing for 2 channel and I use a preamp with HT pass through to optimize my 2 channel listening. I am willing to not have the timber matching since 2 channel is my priority. I appreciate you telling me the order of priority if I am going to get more HT speakers.

I tried the HT bypass dedicated preamp option. After doing level-matched A/B tests of several (see my HT Bypass Preamp thread here), my conclusion was that any SQ improvement in detail and ambiance was outweighed by losing Audyssey and having to "listen through" my room's uncorrected bass, especially once I upgraded from MultEQXT to XT32. Adding DenonLink and Audyssey Pro then took my SQ up another level beyond the analog path.

My approach has been to plan a fullly integrated stereo/MC music/film sound system and I've gradually upgraded while staying in the Dali line. Currently I have Dali Euphonia MS5s FR/L so I feel there's no SQ compromises for stereo. For MC music and film, I have the matching Dali Euphonia CS4 CC and timbre-matched Dali Helicon w200s for wides and surrounds-so that sounds pretty good too. smile.gif
Edited by SoundofMind - 2/20/13 at 11:36am
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post #21062 of 21934
2/20/13 at 11:19am
I am trying to scale my HTPC to ALWAYS be 1080p/24fps. However, I go into the menu of the 4311 and choose scaling for HDMI to "ON" and force 1080p/24fps, but it doesn't take. I still only get 1080p/60.

Any suggestions?
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post #21063 of 21934
2/20/13 at 8:32pm
Can 4311ci output 2 separate signals via 2 HDMIs at the same time?
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post #21064 of 21934
2/20/13 at 8:53pm
No, the HDMI outputs are not independent. The newer 3313 and 4520 have a 3rd HDMI output which is independent from the other 2.
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post #21065 of 21934
2/20/13 at 8:54pm
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I am trying to scale my HTPC to ALWAYS be 1080p/24fps. However, I go into the menu of the 4311 and choose scaling for HDMI to "ON" and force 1080p/24fps, but it doesn't take. I still only get 1080p/60.

Any suggestions?

First, why on earth would you want to change the framerate of a 1080p/60 signal to 1080p/24??

Regardless, 1080p signals cannot be scaled or altered, they just pass through. If you want 1080p/24 output your SOURCE should be putting that out.
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post #21066 of 21934
2/20/13 at 8:56pm
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The on-screen instructions state that "Enhanced" uses RGB video range 0-255, and avoids "black wash-out".  "Normal" uses the range 16-235.  I have tried both settings and see no difference on my display (an LED flat panel).  

You won't see any difference because the setting is ineffectual unless you have a computer monitor (e.g. using DVI) attached AFAIK. For a typical consumer display it does nothing. I think they got rid of it because it's more confusing than helpful.
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post #21067 of 21934
2/20/13 at 8:58pm
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I have the 4311 running 9.2 surround. I'm trying to get the "Amp Assign" configured properly. I have my front 3 speakers (LCR) powered with an external power amp. The Left & Right Surround; Surround Back; and Wide are being powered by the onboard amps. How should I configure the Amp assign (Assign Mode and Assign Sp.)? Any other settings I should be configuring for this setup?Thanks in advance
I'd follow OM
First follow the Speaker wiring guide for 11 ch is on p61
Then p63, 64:
Step 4 select 11 ch
Then step 6 select Front not height, then steps 7 and 8

Catching up here... Maybe you didn't have your Wheaties that morning but why were you giving him advice on 11ch config when he is only running a 9ch setup? tongue.gif The normal setting is fine for 9ch, nothing special needed.
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post #21068 of 21934
2/20/13 at 9:02pm
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Ran audyssey today after upgrading my center channel.
Posting the results below for you to see if they look ok. Just so that you know that the room is not at all an ideal setup for any kind of HT environment.. however hoping that Audyssey might tame the environment a bit.
Looking at the charts below do you think anything needs to be done that can be done better.

After running the audyssey.. i have manually set the speakers and crossover to..

Front - Small - 80Hz (Definitive Technology Mythos ST)
Center - Small - 90Hz (Definitive Technology CS-8080HD)
Surround - Small - 120Hz (Definitive Technology GemXL's)
Surround Back - Small - 120Hz (Definitive Technology ProMonitor 1000).

Everything looks normal to me. The graphs are generally fairly meaningless anyway. So how's it SOUND? wink.gif
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post #21069 of 21934
2/20/13 at 10:35pm
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Originally Posted by ben_r_ View Post

Yea, I dont want any more updates on my 4311!

I certainly do because the pandora / Internet radio UI problem is still there with the latest firmware. It needs fixing.
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post #21070 of 21934
2/20/13 at 10:39pm
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Not sign out completely, just hit the left arrow twice to back out to the main "Network" menu screen. Then I reselect Pandora and the interface is normal again, not the Internet Radio one.

Just tried this right now. Started up Pandora and it automatically started playing the last station I had been playing before. But with the Internet Radio interface. Hit left arrow twice to back out, restarted Pandora, all is well.

Similar thing with Internet Radio, but it's a bit goofier. When I select Internet Radio it starts playing my last Pandora station again. I can then hit left once to back out to the main Internet Radio menu and select stations normally.

Each way, once I back out and redo it it works fine going forward, but it seems like getting one working screws the other one up. It's like they are having some weird back channel relationship or something tongue.gif

Your suggested fix works for at best two pandora song skips, then the pandora UI reverts back to Internet radio ui and therefore prevents song skips.

I'm calling denon tomorrow. I'm sick and tired of why this hasn't being properly fixed yet.
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post #21071 of 21934
2/21/13 at 3:59am
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Catching up here... Maybe you didn't have your Wheaties that morning but why were you giving him advice on 11ch config when he is only running a 9ch setup? tongue.gif The normal setting is fine for 9ch, nothing special needed.
Ha-ha, true nuff, batpig, "Normal" is simpler. redface.gif

gregavi, if you followed my lead you need not change anything at all. But next calibration, you can use "Normal" and save a step. Unless you add those heights...smile.gif
Edited by SoundofMind - 2/21/13 at 4:08am
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post #21072 of 21934
2/21/13 at 6:09am
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Everything looks normal to me. The graphs are generally fairly meaningless anyway. So how's it SOUND? wink.gif

Batpig, i read your guide cover to cover which helped me a lot. My understanding of the AVR is much better now in terms of use against the official denon document because of your guide.
The HT system sounds much much better.
I am in the process of adding an external amp the Sunfire TGA-7401. It pumps around 400Watts per channel. Hearing good things about it.
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post #21073 of 21934
2/21/13 at 6:55am
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First, why on earth would you want to change the framerate of a 1080p/60 signal to 1080p/24??

Regardless, 1080p signals cannot be scaled or altered, they just pass through. If you want 1080p/24 output your SOURCE should be putting that out.

Only reason is using my HTPC, when I play the video, my projector goes black as it is switching the framerate from 1080p/60 to 1080p/24. Annoying when the sound starts before the video.

Looks like I will be forcing the HTPC to stay at 1080p/24.
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post #21074 of 21934
2/23/13 at 1:09pm
Question about price, now thath the newer models are listed on Denon's web site.
What would be a good price for an AVR-4311CI? (New in box from a mom and pop kind of store.)

Are there any new featuresin the newer line up that would be worth waiting for?

I don't currently own anything.
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post #21075 of 21934
2/23/13 at 2:35pm
It's been selling at the price noted in the Great Found Deals thread for the past 2 years at some authorized resellers, although can still be found near MSRP at some smaller shops if even still available as it's been on clearance for quite some time now as the 4520CI was released back in Oct 2012.
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post #21076 of 21934
2/23/13 at 2:43pm
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Question about price, now thath the newer models are listed on Denon's web site.
What would be a good price for an AVR-4311CI? (New in box from a mom and pop kind of store.)

Are there any new featuresin the newer line up that would be worth waiting for?

I don't currently own anything.
Good price would be anything $1200 or less I think as that seems to be what they go for on ebay.
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post #21077 of 21934
2/24/13 at 12:59pm
Is this correct? A sales guy told me that the 4520 is closer to the 4311 than the 3313. Is this a fare statement to make?

How much $$$ would you pay extra to go from a new in box 4311 to a 4520?

Local shop has a 4311 for $1499.99. Ebay or amazon ( don't remember ) has the 4520 for $1799. Is the 4520 worth the extra $300.00 with no warrant?
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post #21078 of 21934
2/24/13 at 1:28pm
I don't even know what that is supposed to mean.

Think of it this way -- the 4520 is of the same generation as the 3313 (and other xx13 models) but is at the level of the 4311 in terms of features and preformance. It is essentially a 4311 but two generations newer.

You can probably get it from an authorized dealer with a warranty for the price you listed above.
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post #21079 of 21934
2/24/13 at 1:43pm
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Originally Posted by supermo26 View Post

Is this correct? A sales guy told me that the 4520 is closer to the 4311 than the 3313. Is this a fare statement to make?...Is the 4520 worth the extra $300.00 with no warrant?
To add to batpig's response, take a look at his second post in the 4520 thread. You can then decide if the new features (and higher potential resale value in a few years) are worth it to you, (also noting the few features the 4520 lost vs the 4311).

If I was buying all new gear as you are, and the $300 didn't mean sacrificing in some other HT area, I'd pay the extra for the newer flagship AVR, but only from an authorized on-line reseller like AVS.
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post #21080 of 21934
2/24/13 at 2:10pm
Buying an AVR (especially if paying four figures) from a "non OEM authorized source" is a very risky proposition-board replacement costs are in the three digit "dollar arena" if you are not covered by an OEM warranty. Denon HDMI boards are in the 500 to 600 dollar range for 43XX, 45XX if you have to replace one.
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post #21081 of 21934
2/24/13 at 4:47pm
I paid $500 out of pocket to upgrade from the 4311 to the 4520. I have 11.2 and wanted the Neo:X processing. I am very satisfied with my upgrade.

No question worth the extra cost new, probably worth the upgrade if you have 11.2 too.
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post #21082 of 21934
2/24/13 at 4:59pm
Is there a way to get the receiver to arrange songs (via media server) according to the title rather than the subtitle? It seems like all of my other devices (computer, blu-ray player, wdtv live smp) arrange my songs according to their titles, whereas the Denon AVR arranges them according to the subtitle. Maybe there is a setting I am missing.
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post #21083 of 21934
2/24/13 at 5:08pm
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Is there a way to get the receiver to arrange songs (via media server) according to the title rather than the subtitle? It seems like all of my other devices (computer, blu-ray player, wdtv live smp) arrange my songs according to their titles, whereas the Denon AVR arranges them according to the subtitle. Maybe there is a setting I am missing.
Subtitle? In a tag? What file type are you playing?
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post #21084 of 21934
2/24/13 at 6:08pm
Mp3

The denon seems to display my subtitles rather than my titles. Is there a setting on the receiver I am unaware of?
Edited by thevolumnus - 2/24/13 at 6:34pm
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post #21085 of 21934
2/24/13 at 6:54pm
What "sub titles"?
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post #21086 of 21934
2/24/13 at 8:45pm
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Mp3

The denon seems to display my subtitles rather than my titles. Is there a setting on the receiver I am unaware of?
Okay see thats where what youre saying is confusing. In the ID3 Tag of an MP3 (where all the metadata is stored) there is no "subtitles" section. Can you explain whats being shown to you more specifically so maybe we can figure it out?
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post #21087 of 21934
2/26/13 at 5:18am
I have the 4311ci in PURE DIRECT mode but I am still getting a signal to the sub. Any ideas why? I thought PD would not play 2.1.
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post #21088 of 21934
2/26/13 at 6:48am
It will if either (1) there is an LFE signal in the content or (2) LFE+MAIN (double bass) is engaged.
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post #21089 of 21934
2/26/13 at 11:57pm
Trying to figure out how to get Sirius Radio from either my Android phone or my Galaxy tablet to play through the 4311. Receiver is hooked up to home network.
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post #21090 of 21934
2/27/13 at 2:36am
Bought myself a pro setup. You can see the differences below. I am finally happy with the sound. i used midrange comp and roll off 2.



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