The "Official" Denon AVR-4311CI/AVR-A100 thread [NO PRICE TALK] - Page 707

I would guess that the only way you will get a definitive answer would be to either Email, or phone Denon with your request; go to their website and click on support for their Emaii address.

Ive read the Audessy setup section for subs and what settings to have the sub on, but Im confused about one knob. I have my phase set to "0", my freq xover to 150hz(highest), I have the RABOS turned off, my gain to half and theres one more knob thats labeled "LFE" or "normal". Which label do I set that knob to??

LFE. The gain will be dependent upon XT32 pinging each sub independently and you setting each in in the 75db range. The Denon and XT32 will do its own crossover, no matter what you set the back of the sub to.

I myself don't understand the whole volume setting thing for the subs. Mine have a volume control knob on them and I set them half way like it says too.
Audyssey reported they were out of range. So I had to back both of them down to about 1/3 volume to get them in the 75db range. This to me seams like then my subs are only working at 1/3 of their capacity. Am I just not understanding what the volume knob is for on the subs?

75db is reference. Run the calibration, listen to it, and if you don't think that there is enough bass, then boost it via channel level.

When I have run Audyssey on both AVR-4310 and 4311, I have had to turn the volume knob on my sub down from the initial recommended 12 o'clock position in order to get the level at 75dB. This appears to be OK based on what I have read here on AVS. It is recommended after running Audyssey to leave the volume knob "as is" and to use the AVR's channel level to adjust to your preference. Some 4311 owners have reported boosting the sub's channel level 1-2 dB above where Audyssey sets it at in order to achieve bass preference.
Edited by davidbarrickman - 3/9/13 at 1:13am

It still seams to me like I'm only going to be using 1/3 of the subs potential if the volume knob is only at 1/3.
I mean why buy two 15" 500 Watt subs if you can only run them at 1/3 of their power:(

I have an Infinity SW-12 and when I ran Audyssey I needed to turn the gain up just a bit to obtain 75db. One thing I noticed though, was my RF main seemed to sound vastly different than all the other channels when the Audyssey ran the ping noise through it. Its hard to describe how it sounded. It wasnt as bright or vibrant. I thought maybe the tweet was maybe blown, but on closer listening it seems to be OK. Im gonna switch the fromt mains and re run the setup and see if I get a different sound. That way Ill find out if its the speaker, the channel, polarity issue or the external amp. Anyone else have this issue?

It should be less about power and more about balance towards "reference". If your "preference" leans towards the former, you can always simply increase their volume level using the "Subwoofer Level" setting.

Correct. No intention of adding either LFC or DTS Neo:X.

I was pretty happy with one Velodyne DD10 in my 3300 cu' fam rm HT. But I'd heard about the advantages of having two subs so I got another. My room does not seal-I have an open hallway and a window-like passthru to the kitchen. The second sub improved bass "slam" and pressurization of the room. It also allowed me to place the subs for smoothest overall bass freq response. I don't run the bass any louder than I did before. It's about quality more than quantity. My subs' digital vol controls are at about 5/100.

BTW during the adjust sub vol step of Autosetup, I'd set the vol of each sub a couple dB BELOW 75dB. This corrected for sub ch trim being too far in the neg range and not properly triggering the auto-on feature of the subs.

Keep in mind that the "volume knob" is really a "gain" knob. Here's what Tom Vodhanel (one of the founders of SVS, and now a partner with Power Sound Audio has to say on this topic: . "As long as you can reach proper bass calibration levels everything is fine....the actual position of the gain knob is irrelevant. Remember, the gain control on a powered subwoofer is *not* a volume control. All the gain control does is match the voltage coming from your receiver's subwoofer output jack to the input stage of the built in amp(in the sub).

Hey guys, got a quick question for a project Im going to be working on today:

Long question short: If I enable 2 subs in the manual speaker setup menu on the 4311, will I then have a second sub level that I can adjust when I bring up the CH LEVEL menu?

Long story why: So bought an external two channel amplifier (AudioSource AMP-102) to power four Aura bass shakers that Im installing in my couches and I would like to be able to use one of the .1 channels out of the 4311 to control that output level to that amp separately from the .1 channel out that feeds the sub. Right now I have a Y splitter on the one LFE out feeding the subwoofer and the bass shaker amp and then another Y splitter feeding the signal to both the right and left channel input in the bass shakers amp. This is working fine, but I have to have the amp turned up all the way to get the shaking to where I like it and would like to be able to crank it up more from the incoming signal, but dont want to have to turn down the gain on the sub to compensate.

Also, if I enable 2 subs in the menu, I shouldnt have to re-run Audyssey or can I just leave it the way it is (since I am finally happy with it) since the bass shakers arent affecting the sound anyway?

You should be able to independently control the volume of either Sub 1, Sub 2, or Sub 1+2 (p. 97 OM). Enabling the second sub may cause Audyssey to give a warrning that a new speaker has been added in which case, yes, you would have to run Audyssey again to use the separate volume configuration.

But the problem is you WILL have to rerun Audyssey when you enable the 2nd sub. And Audyssey won't be able to "hear" the shakers since they are tactile.

So cant I tell Audyssey to skip that sub? Ive never played with it before but arent there options at the beginning of the Audyssey setup to skip specific speakers/channels? Will the second "sub" have that option to be skipped once enabled?

Audyssey knows and hears all ... so no.

Correct. Phone works fine. Trying to get soung from phone to receiver.

Ha ha well great... Ill have to just run through Audyssey and let it max out the Ch Level for the bass shakers and then adjust it afterwards. If it cant hear that second sub, then hopefully it wont really play into its calculations since it isnt making an audible difference. Maybe...?

Or I suppose I could leave it as is and just deal with the setting as its already set. Or I could turn up the single sub setup ch level volume and turn down the gain on the sub itself (which I know will throw off the Audyssey calibration, but as it is I already turn the gain on the sub up as no matter how I play with it Audyssey never gives me enough bass. Hence the even more additional bass shakers) to boost what goes into the bass shakers amp.

Yep that's what they want - you to pay the upgrade price of a 4520!

Yup. After all, it doesn't really matter that the shaker amp is maxed, right?

No of course not, but I am looking to get MORE out of it and was hoping for individual adjustment of that .1 channel level from the 4311 menu.

^I thought you'd said that by cranking it to max you already had the shakers where you like it.
But if not, then as you suggested turn down the sub vol and crank the sub ch trim. If you'd like to maintain a rough idea of where reference is for your sub level, use an SPL to guide you on that step, with shaker amps off. (No need to rerun Audyssey)
Edited by SoundofMind - 3/9/13 at 1:39pm

Has anyone upgraded to the new Denon 4311CI firmare?

Dumb question, is the 4311 wifi capable? Or do I HAVE to have a network cable hooked up?

Network cable or a wifi "bridge".

No built in WiFi. Hook up a cat5 cable or buy something like this http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=dhs&cs=19&sku=a4974035

Anyone have experience integrating a Behringer DSP 1124 with the Denon 4311? - contemplating a purchase of the 1134 and interested in user feedback.

I've had my refurbed unit for about a week now and everytime I try to watch a bluray the receiver acts all wonky and has a hard time detecting the signal from the bluray player. It eventually gets it but it'll cut in and out for a little bit. Today it wouldn't even push the signal to the tv so I had to turn it on and off. After I turned it back on, the screen on the avr was stuck on "DRC mode" something or another and wouldn't change to anything else. I turned it on and off again, and after a little struggling the avr finanlly started to act right. The best I can describe it is glitchy. It'll get stuck on menus for no reason. Does anyone know what kind of gremlins I'm dealing with?
Edited by 91dx - 3/10/13 at 7:28pm

What version of firmware are you running on this puppy?