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post #21271 of 23170
Thanks Austin and jd. If I do the network reset will I lose my Audyssey settings?
post #21272 of 23170
Yes, so unless you've done a Network Save you'll need to redo Autosetup. We always recommended once you've finished doing custom settings after Autosetup that you do a Save. In this sort of situation, after reset you could use Network Load to restore the calibration and all settings.
Edited by SoundofMind - 3/20/13 at 6:37am
post #21273 of 23170
I'll have to do the SAVE. I just did Audyssey a couple weeks ago. Moved furniture around. Thanks for the info
post #21274 of 23170
Remember to verify that the SAVE is good (not all 0's) before you reset. A lot of times the SAVE method produces a junk file and then you are in for a rude surprise when you try to LOAD it later! eek.gif
post #21275 of 23170
A "I wouldn't wish this on anyone story"...

So 2 weeks ago I had 2 morons blow insulation into my attic...TWICE I advised them to be mindful of my in-ceiling speakers and wire:

You can see one of them in the upper right of this pic if it mattters...



Well, I was away, but a 2 hour job took 7...pretty much all you need to know re their competence level.

Onward, over the last 2 weeks it seemed to me that my right surround was much LOWER in volume than I recall...a signal/sound to be sure, but definitely lower.

Thinking I must be crazy, I re-run audyssey. Yep, chirps were LOW...audyssey was blasting 3 different times until they were sufficiently loud, but then they were STILL less pronounced than the other channels.

Ok, what the hell is going on?

I check all connections...including those from the 4311 pre-outs to my Crown amps. Still low.

Swapped out the analog cable from the RS to the amp. Still low.

Switched outputs on the 4311 to check the RS amp. Still low.

Did a reset for the first time- and forgot it ERASES EVERYTHING- now I'm pissed...and it's still low.

Ran the right surround out to a new amp and RS. Still low.

Ran the right surround output to the left surround amp/speaker: LOUD. Of course.

Great, but, ****...

that means it HAS to be the speaker or connection (I know this may have seemed obvious but I kind of forgot and I think I was subconsciously HOPING it WASN'T a problem in a newly blown-in, floor-less attic rolleyes.giftongue.gif ).

Odd though still, my in-ceiling speakers are VERY well protected with a sheet of plastic and plywood. And what are the odds that one of these dip$hits happened to sever the speaker wire JUST enough to degrade the output substantially but still have sound?

No choice, I now have to check both.

Speaker? A-ok...still sealed and unharmed. So I run a 70ft run of new wire to it from the RS output on the 4311 and orig amp through my attic entry...what do you know, LOUD output. Steaming mad at this point.

Somewhat predictably, what do I find after crawling through 24" inches of cellulose insulation into the 12" high crevice where my roof meets my attic joists?

A PARTIALLY SEVERED SPEAKER WIRE.

Fixed it and moved on with life- all is well with my HT again.

Now, how do I conduct a back up that saves audyssey and my other settings again?! eek.giftongue.gif

James
Edited by mastermaybe - 3/20/13 at 11:42am
post #21276 of 23170
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Originally Posted by mastermaybe View Post


Did a reset for the first time- and forgot it ERASES EVERYTHING- now I'm pissed...and it's still low.
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Now, how do I conduct a back up that saves audyssey and my other settings again?! eek.giftongue.gif

James
Once you reset,as you noticed the settings are gone.

But for future if you want to save your Audyssey settings you can do it using the Web Control Function. Get the IP address of your 4311 by clicking the Amp button followed by Menu ant then go to Manual Setup -> Network Setup -> Network Info.
[Alternatively, If you have a Windows 7 pc, the 4311 will show up in your Windows Explorer Network and under Media Devices. You can right click on the icon for the 4311 and select "View Device web page" ]

Put this IP address in the browser. The Denon Web control interface loads up. Go to the Setup Menu and click on Save.

Follow the instructions in the screen and you can save the configuration as a data file to your pc. Next time you want to restore the settings, use the Load function in the Web Control Menu.
post #21277 of 23170
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Originally Posted by mastermaybe View Post

...Now, how do I conduct a back up that saves audyssey and my other settings again?!...

Man, that is an awesome speaker array. smile.gif
BTW, you did not have to erase your old Audyssey calibration. Once you heard the problem (or at any time during the Autosetup process for that matter) you could have selected "Cancel".
post #21278 of 23170
post #21279 of 23170
How have these units held up? A local guy on craigslist is selling for $800 obo, in like new condition. I currently have a 1909 and an Onkyo 809. The 809 is a capable AVR, but in truth, I like my Denon better. I would like this unit for Audessy XT32, the dual sub EQ features and DSX.
post #21280 of 23170
$800? Run, don't walk, and snap it up.

The 4311 has been exceptionally reliable. Some early bugs worked out with firmware updates over a year ago, but almost no complaints at all recently.
post #21281 of 23170
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

$800? Run, don't walk, and snap it up.

The 4311 has been exceptionally reliable. Some early bugs worked out with firmware updates over a year ago, but almost no complaints at all recently.

Thanks BP! Glad to see you're still active here with the Denon stuff.
Edited by jtokach - 3/20/13 at 9:27pm
post #21282 of 23170
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

$800? Run, don't walk, and snap it up.

The 4311 has been exceptionally reliable. Some early bugs worked out with firmware updates over a year ago, but almost no complaints at all recently.

agreed, and with "obo", offer $700 and see if you can talk down the price even more!
post #21283 of 23170
I have 2 4311s, one was purchased in Nov 2011 and the other in Oct 2012. Both have been trouble-free and XT32 has really improved SQ in the 2 different rooms I use them in. All indications point to the 4311 being very stable and reliable.
post #21284 of 23170
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Originally Posted by jtokach View Post

How have these units held up? A local guy on craigslist is selling for $800 obo, in like new condition...
Sounds like the makings of a good deal on a great model. Exc performance, exc reliability. But Caveat Emptor irt used gear when the seller is an unknown. I tend to buy off Audiogon, as there are seller ratings.

But a local sale like this is great because you can check out the function of the unit in his home.

Also, I would ask for the original receipt. It should still be within the 3 yr warranty and if purchased from an authorized dealer that would clinch the deal for me as I could have it serviced under warranty if need be.
Edited by SoundofMind - 3/21/13 at 3:20am
post #21285 of 23170
Hello,
I have had the 4311 for a few weeks going from a 3805. I have a difficult room with glass, hardwood floors, etc. and dual SVS PB12-Plus subs and Audessey is great (7.2 setup)! As most I had been listening to the subs too loud and after giving a few weeks much better.
My question is with internet radio. I have the 4311 set up on the network and internet radio is fine. The old 3805 is powering four sets of speaker in other rooms and outside. Is there a way to get the internet radio from the 4311 to the 3805? I have a Squezzebox and previously it was not problem having the Squeezbox split to two receivers. But the Squeezbox will not do internet radio at all now, hence the question. I do not think it is possible unless I set up zone 2, but I ultimately want to go to 11.2. So is there a way to have the internet radio go from the 4311 to the 3805 without using zone 2 or 3? And I have searched the thread and read the manual. Thanks.
post #21286 of 23170
Just use any of the analog RCA pre outs. Feed the signal to an RCA input on the 3805. Internet radio or any other network source (eg Pandora) will flow out the RCA outputs.

Why are you opposed to using zone 2/3? Using the zone 2/3 pre outs won't prevent you from going to 11.1.
post #21287 of 23170
Thanks batpig, I was under the impression zone 2 and 3 setup had to use the amps of the 4311? Are you saying enen when I go to 11.2, I could use the 3805 as a zone two out from the 4311?
post #21288 of 23170
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Originally Posted by SoundofMind View Post

Man, that is an awesome speaker array. smile.gif
BTW, you did not have to erase your old Audyssey calibration. Once you heard the problem (or at any time during the Autosetup process for that matter) you could have selected "Cancel".


Ha ha I know re the "cancel" during the test, but I was at the point where I thought the 4311 had to be reset because something with the unit itself had gone awry. I had read in the past that some had lost a channel altogether and it returned upon a reset.

thanks though,

James
post #21289 of 23170
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Originally Posted by free2day33611 View Post

Thanks batpig, I was under the impression zone 2 and 3 setup had to use the amps of the 4311? Are you saying enen when I go to 11.2, I could use the 3805 as a zone two out from the 4311?
Never mind, stupid question. There are preouts for zone 2 and 3. Thanks again.
post #21290 of 23170
I concur that the 4311 is the the new "3808" to me: extremely versatile, reliable, a big value, and ahead of its time in many regards. I have not been able to talk myself into a 4520 and that's prolly a good thing. wink.gif

VERY well worth $800 if all is in order.


James
Edited by mastermaybe - 3/21/13 at 11:02am
post #21291 of 23170
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Originally Posted by mastermaybe View Post

I concur that the 4311 is the the new "3808" to me: extremely versatile, reliable, a big value, and ahead of its time in many regards. I have not been able to talk myself into a 4520 and that's prolly a good thing. wink.gif

VERY well worth $800 if all is in order.


James

IMO, the 4311 is hands-down a better value than the 4520 if you can get one. Some of the add'l features are nice (notably multi-zone HDMI audio output and the Instapreview mode), but unless you're trying to future-proof yourself with 4K upscaling right now, if you were just using the main zone, I'd only buy the 4520 if I didn't have XT32 already and didn't find an authorized seller of the 4311.
Edited by sdrucker - 3/21/13 at 2:35pm
post #21292 of 23170
^+1
post #21293 of 23170
Quote:
Originally Posted by mastermaybe View Post

I concur that the 4311 is the the new "3808" to me: extremely versatile, reliable, a big value, and ahead of its time in many regards. I have not been able to talk myself into a 4520 and that's prolly a good thing. wink.gif

VERY well worth $800 if all is in order.


James

I've got a 3808 and 4311 both in active duty.....They are amazing receivers. If Denon could offer an XT32 firmware upgrade for the 3808, I'd keep it forever!smile.gif
post #21294 of 23170
Quick question, maybe some of you guys know the answer.
So I have so far only have seen this issue with Tron BD
I will start the movie and it will be in 2.35:1, the receiver will be in Audyssey. Then a scene change will happen, and the receiver will switch to multi 7.1 and the display will change to a 16x9. It's about 1 foot out of the screen above and below. It's strange, so far no other BD will do this, it will stay in perfect 2.35:1 through the entire movie. Any ideas?
post #21295 of 23170
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Originally Posted by slapshot View Post

How good is the phone stage supposed to be on the 4311?

I bought a new Rega turntable RP1 a few weeks ago, and am getting a hissing noise when listening at a louder volume. Actually barely audible at normal listening volumes, but when I crank it up a bit it's definitely louder. Of course you can't hear it through the music but during silent parts or track changes.
Perhaps a grounding issue? No other device does this in my setup.
The Rega has a simple audio out cable and a power cord, whereas my old turntable also had a grounding wire, any correlation?

Asking again if anyone can shed some light?
post #21296 of 23170
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Originally Posted by Loudog3 View Post

Quick question, maybe some of you guys know the answer.
So I have so far only have seen this issue with Tron BD
I will start the movie and it will be in 2.35:1, the receiver will be in Audyssey. Then a scene change will happen, and the receiver will switch to multi 7.1 and the display will change to a 16x9. It's about 1 foot out of the screen above and below. It's strange, so far no other BD will do this, it will stay in perfect 2.35:1 through the entire movie. Any ideas?
i think that Tron was filmed with IMAX scenes that are 16x9. Not sure why though that the audio would change at the same time unless your player doesn't handle seamless transitions very well.
post #21297 of 23170
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Originally Posted by Loudog3 View Post

Quick question, maybe some of you guys know the answer.
So I have so far only have seen this issue with Tron BD
I will start the movie and it will be in 2.35:1, the receiver will be in Audyssey. Then a scene change will happen, and the receiver will switch to multi 7.1 and the display will change to a 16x9. It's about 1 foot out of the screen above and below. It's strange, so far no other BD will do this, it will stay in perfect 2.35:1 through the entire movie. Any ideas?
So what are you asking? I know Audyssey is 7.1 and doesn't get turned on/off from the BD. I know that 'The Dark Knight' will go from 16:9 to 2.35:1 due to the fact of mixing IMAX with 'normal' film. Is that what you are seeing happen perhaps?
post #21298 of 23170
I am having the opposite, It will go from 2.35:1 to 16x9. And it appears only when there is a screen change. So then I have to hit my zoom memory to 16x9. I guess I didn't know about the IMAX. So maybe that's whats happing. I just find it strange that I can be watching the first 15 minutes in perfect 2.35:1 and then all of a sudden the display changes to 16x9 and the picture is now outside the screen. Hopefully that makes sense.
post #21299 of 23170
Guys how do you check to make sure your backup .dat file is "good" and not all zeros like people have mentioned here?
post #21300 of 23170
^Just click on it and open it.
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