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post #21541 of 23176
When I got my Denon 4311 receiver and began connecting it to my existing set up, I was told that I could no longer have the speakers in the rest of my house connected to my 4311 receiver by a fellow forum member. But, after searching and searching several times I cannot find that post. I currently have my Emotiva XPA-5 connected to my fronts, center, and sides. The Denon 4311 is connected to the rears. However, I cannot use the speakers in the dining room, bedroom, and lower level. I believe it was something about Zone 2. How I wish I could find that post.

Anyway, I am wondering what equipment I would need to be able to run music through these speakers again. I really hate to abandon my current setup because I had my audio professionally by Jeff Maier last year. I would appreciate it if someone would lead me in the right direction.
post #21542 of 23176
With that many extra house speakers, you would be better served connecting either a 2CH amp (see below) or your old AVR to the Zone 2 (or Zone 3) pre-outs and then connecting a multi zone impedance matching speaker selector (with or without volume control depending on whether you have volume control switches setup in each room or not) to the external amp and finally the house speakers to that speaker selector. Note that HDMI audio will not pass to Zone 2, so for HDMI sources that you want to pass to Zone 2 you would also need to connect an analog RCA cable from the source to the AVR.

http://www.amazon.com/AudioSource-AMP-100-Stereo-Power-Amplifier/dp/B00026BQJ6

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009GUQZ9U/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_3?pf_rd_p=1532201582&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B003ED2DZA&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=079TYFA67YEQ8VDDKQT0
post #21543 of 23176
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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post

Video Convert=On, I/P Scaler=Off. 

Jerry,

Thanks for your help smile.gif.

Bill
post #21544 of 23176
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

Try setting "Network Standby" to OFF.

Well sir, that worked. Now that I've already posted and asked, I see in your signature the troubleshooting guide for 2012/2013 models, it says:

"You may also need to set "Network Standby" to OFF (contrary to what the Owner's manual indicates)."

Good stuff. It saved me at least one more round of microprocessor resets, probably more like 5+. Thanks!
post #21545 of 23176
I know this question is gonna irk some of you, but I'm at work right now and do t have the manual in front of me. Where are the dang tone controls in the menu?? I have looked several times and cannot find them.
post #21546 of 23176
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Originally Posted by Daffypuck View Post

I know this question is gonna irk some of you, but I'm at work right now and do t have the manual in front of me. Where are the dang tone controls in the menu?? I have looked several times and cannot find them.

If you have run Audyssey room correction, then the tone controls are not available. If you defeat Audyssey, you can use the tone controls. Why would you want to do this?
post #21547 of 23176
Not true Jerry. It's only Dyn EQ that defeats tone controls.
post #21548 of 23176
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Not true Jerry. It's only Dyn EQ that defeats tone controls.

Sorry, my bad.
post #21549 of 23176
For 2 channel music. The speakers I'm running are known to be very shrilly at higher volumes. I switched to direct from stereo and that made a world of difference. I just wanted to tone down the treble a bit in 2 channel mode. Should I even have auddeyssey on when listening to music?
post #21550 of 23176
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Originally Posted by Daffypuck View Post

FShould I even have auddeyssey on when listening to music?

It's a matter of preference based on your setup in your room. If it sounds better then use it. There is no hard rule one way or the other. More often than not though, Audyssey will improve sound quality.
post #21551 of 23176
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Originally Posted by Daffypuck View Post

For 2 channel music. The speakers I'm running are known to be very shrilly at higher volumes. I switched to direct from stereo and that made a world of difference. I just wanted to tone down the treble a bit in 2 channel mode. Should I even have auddeyssey on when listening to music?

Per the discussion a few posts above yours, if you set Dyn EQ to OFF, you can use the Tone Control - Treble setting as well and still be able to use Audyssey.
post #21552 of 23176
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

With that many extra house speakers, you would be better served connecting either a 2CH amp (see below) or your old AVR to the Zone 2 (or Zone 3) pre-outs and then connecting a multi zone impedance matching speaker selector (with or without volume control depending on whether you have volume control switches setup in each room or not) to the external amp and finally the house speakers to that speaker selector. Note that HDMI audio will not pass to Zone 2, so for HDMI sources that you want to pass to Zone 2 you would also need to connect an analog RCA cable from the source to the AVR.

http://www.amazon.com/AudioSource-AMP-100-Stereo-Power-Amplifier/dp/B00026BQJ6

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009GUQZ9U/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_3?pf_rd_p=1532201582&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B003ED2DZA&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=079TYFA67YEQ8VDDKQT0

JD, Thanks for the response. I am using my old Denon AVR4800 to run the HT system in my lower level, and an old Pioneer to run the speakers around the pool. But, I will take a look around, I must have another older AVR to connect these other speakers in order to run 2-channel music. If not, I will pick up the items you provided links to above. Thanks again.
post #21553 of 23176
*UPDATE* - Been a couple of weeks now with the new (refurbed) 4311 and after the initial IP address fiasco, this has been rock solid...Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better than my 4310 ever was. cool.gif

After spending some quality time doing critical listening, I must admit that XT32 is truly a phenomenon to behold! Sooooooooo much more control over the entire spectrum, even over XT itself. Heaven I tell ya, a slice audio heaven!!! I am reconsidering my thoughts on the pro kit now...I need to hear it 1st tho.

But anyway, this is GREAT!!! I am so truly blessed!!! cool.gif
post #21554 of 23176
one of the biggest pluses of the pro kit is that you can tune the target curve to your ears/room. I've had amazing results by using that feature, especially in bright rooms where the standard curves don't sound right.
post #21555 of 23176
Help!

I have lost my OTA antenna signal. What did I do? I had it before now lost it due to something I did. My Coax is installed tightly and I do get awesome HD Radio so my Denon is receiving OTA signals just not the local CBS, NBC, ABC stations not even a small whimper, nothing - I just can't get it back - static only. I have a direct hookup to my rooftop antenna. Nothing in the manual, (probably because it is so simple anyone can get the OTA signal) besides me. My Sony HD tv remote switches back and forth between Video 6 and Video 7. It also switches between antenna or not - just no signal. Can anyone help me out as to why I cannot get the OTA signal back. I must tell you I have tried for weeks. For the TV input in the Denon menus I have None which is default and not HDMI. I have Video Convert= on and IP Scaler= off for my digital inputs. Is there a setting that I may be messing up? Thanks for any suggestions you may have.
Dave
post #21556 of 23176
What are you asking for? You are only looking for OTA RADIO signals, correct? Because your 4311 has nothing to do with an antenna signal beyond that. wink.gif
post #21557 of 23176
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Originally Posted by Daffypuck View Post

For 2 channel music. The speakers I'm running are known to be very shrilly at higher volumes. I switched to direct from stereo and that made a world of difference. I just wanted to tone down the treble a bit in 2 channel mode. Should I even have auddeyssey on when listening to music?
Just a daffy thought-be sure you are not using the Audyssey Flat curve as it has more treble than the std Audyssey curve. The EQ button cycles through the options and should just say "Audyssey". As has been pointed out, DEQ can boost treble slightly (it boosts bass more) and if you turn DEQ off you can then use the tone controls to tweak treble and bass. It should do a nice job in conjunction with Audyssey.
post #21558 of 23176
Thanks yall. I was running the 2 channel mode in stereo. But at any volumes higher than -24dB its just to high and shrill to listen to. I tried the "PURE" seting and it seemed too flat. I finally tried Direct and that amde the difference. Everything is kind of raw right now. Im waiting on my new sub from FedEx and I have to get new surrounds for my new FM & Ctr channel before I really delve into calibration and settings. Theres so dang much to go through when setting up this receiver that its gonna take me a bit to get it all right. I cant wait for the sub though. I think it will really bring everything together and help the FM's sound better.

COuld someone direct me to a thread, or just tell me, what exactly does it mean when you speak of peaks and valleys at certain frequencies concerning a sub? Is it how a particular frequency reacts based on the acoustics of the room its in?
post #21559 of 23176
Thanks Splicer, Yes I had moved the coax to the receiver from the TV. Somebody call me Daffy.
post #21560 of 23176
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Originally Posted by Daffypuck View Post

Thanks yall. I was running the 2 channel mode in stereo. But at any volumes higher than -24dB its just to high and shrill to listen to. I tried the "PURE" seting and it seemed too flat. I finally tried Direct and that amde the difference. ..
COuld someone direct me to a thread, or just tell me, what exactly does it mean when you speak of peaks and valleys at certain frequencies concerning a sub? Is it how a particular frequency reacts based on the acoustics of the room its in?
It's kinda daffy to hear a significant diff between Direct and PureDirect. wink.gif Direct shuts off all EQ and then all Pure does extra over Direct is shut off the FPD/video processing. I've never been able to tell the difference between the two.

As to how room acoustics affect the low bass sound, it has to do with wave interference/wave summation, just as you'd see if you dropped two pebbles in a rectangular water tank and you watch as the waves interact with each other and the walls. So assuming you've found a great spot for MLP and FR/L, if you have flexibility with placement of one sub you'll want to do a sub crawl to find a spot for the sub that produces even bass in and around the MLP. Here's a short video on this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AV3oLLMgS-M

The alternate is a sub haul, wherein you have someone slide the sub around while you listen in MLP.

If you want to delve deeper you'll want two subs...then a dedicated measuring program with a calibrated mic such as OmniMic...and then there's lots of reading with a steep learning curve involved with both the room acoustics, measuring techniques and interpretation of results.
Edited by SoundofMind - 4/14/13 at 4:46am
post #21561 of 23176
To be honest, until I build a house with a dedicated listening/HT room, Im just gonna get the best I can out of my gear in the room I have it set-up. My living room with all its openings, vaulted ceiling, hard surfaces, fish tank etc is just gonna have to do for now. My new sub comes Monday and I cant wait to see how it sounds. Thanks for all your help guys.
post #21562 of 23176
What, your house is actually for living in and does not serve the sole purpose of being your audio sanctuary? biggrin.gif
post #21563 of 23176
Hi all. I bought a 4311, so I'll have to read me this long thread.

I need help as there are two problems I can not solve:

-If I choose to NET / USB, the TV screen becomes gray and noisy. Only happens with this option, and to get to see the menu I have to change in NET / USB input settings SOURCE video to any other. Then I see the setup menu, but I can see the menu of NET / USB or play back pictures.
If change in configuration video RGB menu to enhanced by normal and I not seen anything. only grey noise. In 'normal' menu looks a difuminated menu below the noise blurred gray ..
I've seen some post saying it was solved by unplugging the AVR, but in my case it does not work.

-The remote button A-DSX always says "not available". Why is this? Is there a way to activate it?

Thank you.
post #21564 of 23176
You REALLY need to read the manual. A-DSX is Audyssey DSX and if you have no wides/height speakers, that option is not available.
post #21565 of 23176
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Originally Posted by kikoseis View Post

Hi all. I bought a 4311, so I'll have to read me this long thread.

I need help as there are two problems I can not solve:

-If I choose to NET / USB, the TV screen becomes gray and noisy. Only happens with this option, and to get to see the menu I have to change in NET / USB input settings SOURCE video to any other. Then I see the setup menu, but I can see the menu of NET / USB or play back pictures.
If change in configuration video RGB menu to enhanced by normal and I not seen anything. only grey noise. In 'normal' menu looks a difuminated menu below the noise blurred gray ..
I've seen some post saying it was solved by unplugging the AVR, but in my case it does not work.

-The remote button A-DSX always says "not available". Why is this? Is there a way to activate it?

Thank you.

Have you tried to reset the microprocessor? Page 138 on the OM?

Also, do you have the 4311 connected to your network?
post #21566 of 23176
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Originally Posted by Splicer010 View Post

You REALLY need to read the manual. A-DSX is Audyssey DSX and if you have no wides/height speakers, that option is not available.

Ok. The only problem is that I have the manual in English and is very long and I have to translate, so it is a bit difficult to understand everything.
For now I have a 3.1 to lack of buying some cables to mount the 5.1. I understand that after work.

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Originally Posted by cr136124 View Post

Have you tried to reset the microprocessor? Page 138 on the OM?

Also, do you have the 4311 connected to your network?


Yes I reset the microprocessor few days ago, but did not work.

This networked. Menu does not work inTV. It is a frozenl image and you can not navigate the menu NET/USB.
But in the AVR display all works perfectly. This means that everything works: the media server, internet radio, etc.. The problem is only on TV.


I have read through the forums this problem of choice NET/USB on some models of Denon AVR, but I have not found a solution yet.

Attached some pictures. If you activate 'Normal' in the AVR menu: 'Manual setup / HDMI setup / RGB range' , for tv image of NET/USB looks like this:

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If enabled 'Enhanced' in the 'Manual setup / HDMI setup / RGB range' for tv image of NET/USB looks like this:

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(In the latter configuration is blurred, and can not see the navigation in NET/USB menú because the TV image is fixed and frozen, the navigation only works in the AVR display)
Edited by kikoseis - 4/14/13 at 11:18am
post #21567 of 23176
That doesn't look good. Maybe a bad HDMI cable? Not sure that would cause the freezing issue. If you've done the MP reset as you said, I'd contact Denon support.
post #21568 of 23176
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What, your house is actually for living in and does not serve the sole purpose of being your audio sanctuary?
In a perfect world, yes! But in reality, no! I truly wish I could though!smile.gif
post #21569 of 23176
That definitely looks like a problem. Have you tried to plug a dvd player on the same HDMI input on the TV as the 4311 is connected?
post #21570 of 23176
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Originally Posted by kikoseis View Post

...The only problem is that I have the manual in English and is very long and I have to translate, so it is a bit difficult to understand everything....
Hi. My hard copy OM is also in French, but the usa.denon OM download is strictly in English.
So just go to Denon Global . Click on your country-for ex, Spain has a Spanish lang OM download, France has it in French, etc.
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