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post #21571 of 23132
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Originally Posted by jconjason View Post

That doesn't look good. Maybe a bad HDMI cable? Not sure that would cause the freezing issue. If you've done the MP reset as you said, I'd contact Denon support.

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Originally Posted by Splicer010 View Post

That definitely looks like a problem. Have you tried to plug a dvd player on the same HDMI input on the TV as the 4311 is connected?


I try in all HDMI TV inputs with 2 cables. Today I buy other 3D HDMI cable, but same results.
TV HDMI inputs run ok with other devices.
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Originally Posted by SoundofMind View Post

Hi. My hard copy OM is also in French, but the usa.denon OM download is strictly in English.
So just go to Denon Global . Click on your country-for ex, Spain has a Spanish lang OM download, France has it in French, etc.

In denon spain (www.denon.es) only has a English versión of manual.
If someone has a Spanish manual, please send it to me (upload to mediafire and send link by MP). I would greatly appreciate.
Thank you.
post #21572 of 23132
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Originally Posted by kikoseis View Post


I try in all HDMI TV inputs with 2 cables. Today I buy other 3D HDMI cable, but same results.
TV HDMI inputs run ok with other devices.
In denon spain (www.denon.es) only has a English versión of manual.
If someone has a Spanish manual, please send it to me (upload to mediafire and send link by MP). I would greatly appreciate.
Thank you.

Unfortunately, it looks like there is no Spanish language manual.

Manuales y documentos

No se ha encontrado ningún documento
post #21573 of 23132
^Oops, sorry, kikoseis. I found it listed in Spanish on the Spanish site and never imagined it wouldn't actually be in Spanish. Es una locura.
post #21574 of 23132
Hello
I have good and bad news.

The good is that it has solved the problem of gray frozen screen. I opened the unit and review the connections. And I've cleaned with a small brush, chip connections in case metal residues occurring between them.

Nows are Denon menus NET mode / USB and I can view and I can browse them.

1denonmenuinnetusbmode.jpg


Also I can see the OSD in NET USB mode, by pressing the remote buttons.


2screenoptionsinnetusbm.jpg


The bad news is don't display specific OSD in mode the NET / USB . Denon screen is in other modes, for example CD, not display in mode NetUSB or Airplay mode (this is an example of CD mode what is not display in NET USB mode , the screen goes black).

3screencdmodenotvisible.jpg


For example Media Server or Internet radio OSD not display in NET / USB, instead I see a black screen. The picture is an example that I can't view (example picture downloaded from the Internet, there is NOT a picture of my screen, my screen is black).

4screenmediaservernotvi.jpg

I restarted the 4311 to factory config, but still the same. Not solved black screen.

What do you think?
Do you have any idea?
post #21575 of 23132
Can anyone here point me to a guide as to how to back up my 4311 settings to a USB stick? I have tried searching but can't seen to find any answers frown.gif

Thanks!
post #21576 of 23132
You can't find it because it's not possible. You have to save it over the network to a storage device on your PC/MAC.
post #21577 of 23132
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Originally Posted by kikoseis View Post

Hello
I have good and bad news.

The good is that it has solved the problem of gray frozen screen. I opened the unit and review the connections. And I've cleaned with a small brush, chip connections in case metal residues occurring between them.

Nows are Denon menus NET mode / USB and I can view and I can browse them.

1denonmenuinnetusbmode.jpg


Also I can see the OSD in NET USB mode, by pressing the remote buttons.


2screenoptionsinnetusbm.jpg


The bad news is don't display specific OSD in mode the NET / USB . Denon screen is in other modes, for example CD, not display in mode NetUSB or Airplay mode (this is an example of CD mode what is not display in NET USB mode , the screen goes black).

3screencdmodenotvisible.jpg


For example Media Server or Internet radio OSD not display in NET / USB, instead I see a black screen. The picture is an example that I can't view (example picture downloaded from the Internet, there is NOT a picture of my screen, my screen is black).

4screenmediaservernotvi.jpg

I restarted the 4311 to factory config, but still the same. Not solved black screen.

What do you think?
Do you have any idea?
All your pictures look spot on correct to me....
post #21578 of 23132
Question...I have my deck speakers and amp assign to zone 2. But I get no audio? Now, when I go in and change amp assign to ''zone 2/3'' I get audio on the deck? When I try only zone 3, no audio. Zone 2 only, no audio, zone 2/3 and it works? Can anyone elaborate? confused.gif

Also, when listening to Pandora on zone 2 (deck for me), how can I change the station WITHOUT the TV? So for example, my better half is suntanning on the deck, listening to zone 2. I am in the house watching a flick. How can she change which 'station' she has on with out the TV? I looked but didn't see any other way.
post #21579 of 23132
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Originally Posted by duc135 View Post

You can't find it because it's not possible. You have to save it over the network to a storage device on your PC/MAC.

Ah that would make sense smile.gif

So is the only way to back up being connected to a network? I am not right now with my receiver :X
post #21580 of 23132
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Originally Posted by Splicer010 View Post

Question...I have my deck speakers and amp assign to zone 2. But I get no audio? Now, when I go in and change amp assign to ''zone 2/3'' I get audio on the deck? When I try only zone 3, no audio. Zone 2 only, no audio, zone 2/3 and it works? Can anyone elaborate? confused.gif

Also, when listening to Pandora on zone 2 (deck for me), how can I change the station WITHOUT the TV? So for example, my better half is suntanning on the deck, listening to zone 2. I am in the house watching a flick. How can she change which 'station' she has on with out the TV? I looked but didn't see any other way.

1. Zone 2 speakers should be connected to the Amp Assign/Front Wide speaker posts.
2. Use a smart phone remote app.
post #21581 of 23132
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Originally Posted by Splicer010 View Post

All your pictures look spot on correct to me....

No. The last picture isn't of my denon. Is an internet example picture. On that screen my denon has a black screen. No GUI.

In NET/USB I only can view OSD of remote buttons, and denon config menu. No NET/USB GUI, only black screen.
post #21582 of 23132
Try this...go to MANUAL SETUP, then select Option Setup, then select GUI... move down in the menu to NET/USB, confirm this is set to "Always" or "30 sec" and not on "OFF". Also make sure iPod and Tuner are set to "Always" or "30 sec" too...the factory default setting is "30 sec" but if NET/USB, Tuner or iPod GUI setting in this OPTION menu has somehow been set to OFF, this might explain why you are having trouble. Also make sure TEXT in this GUI menu is set to ON.

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Originally Posted by kikoseis View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by Splicer010 View Post

All your pictures look spot on correct to me....

No. The last picture isn't of my denon. Is an internet example picture. On that screen my denon has a black screen. No GUI.

In NET/USB I only can view OSD of remote buttons, and denon config menu. No NET/USB GUI, only black screen.
post #21583 of 23132
Can you use the receiver's external amp for 5.2 set up or maybe run the mains on the external amp and the rest of the speakers with internal amp? It has been a few years since this receiver came out and I am contemplating getting one. Thanks!
post #21584 of 23132
Thank you davidbarrickman.

I have the settings you say, but still do not see the GUI.

I have reviewed in Denon web app all the input options of the sources, and in all there are several options. In NET/USB only exists in INPUT MODE "ExtIN" option.
It seems a bit strange because in the other sources INPUT SOURCE you can select "Digital", "Analog", "HDMI".

In my setup from the Denon web application can be seen that only "Auto" and "ExtIN". I understand that to make "Auto" work should have more options, not only "ExtIN". Is strange.

pantallanetusb.png

Can you look in your Denon web app if you have only the "Auto" and "ExtIn" for the source NET / USB, or you have more options?

thanks
post #21585 of 23132
@ Asere - See the beginning of this thread, there is a FAQ on amp assign.
post #21586 of 23132
Thanks JD... cool.gif
post #21587 of 23132
Hi everyone!

Quick question: I have an Emotiva XPA-5 amp hooked up to deliver 5 channels from the 4311's pre-outs. The built-in Denon amp isn't powering anything. Now, is it possible to run BOTH DSX fronts and heights using the Denon's built-in amp?

I only want to use the Denon 4311's amp to run these 2 sets of speakers (fronts and heights) and nothing else.

Can this be done?

If so, how?

Thanks in advance.

Peter
post #21588 of 23132
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Originally Posted by Peter Freund View Post

Hi everyone!

Quick question: I have an Emotiva XPA-5 amp hooked up to deliver 5 channels from the 4311's pre-outs. The built-in Denon amp isn't powering anything. Now, is it possible to run BOTH DSX fronts and heights using the Denon's built-in amp?

I only want to use the Denon 4311's amp to run these 2 sets of speakers (fronts and heights) and nothing else.

Can this be done?

If so, how?

Thanks in advance.

Peter

Yes I do this for mine, just go into settings and make sure amp is not in preamp mode, then go into speaker settings and enable 9.1 or heights and wides. When your in the menu you'll see it.
post #21589 of 23132
You're welcome, sorry that it didn't help...yes, I can confirm that only AUTO and EXT IN are the options for NET/USB. You should have this set to AUTO.
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Originally Posted by kikoseis View Post

Thank you davidbarrickman.

I have the settings you say, but still do not see the GUI.

I have reviewed in Denon web app all the input options of the sources, and in all there are several options. In NET/USB only exists in INPUT MODE "ExtIN" option.
It seems a bit strange because in the other sources INPUT SOURCE you can select "Digital", "Analog", "HDMI".

In my setup from the Denon web application can be seen that only "Auto" and "ExtIN". I understand that to make "Auto" work should have more options, not only "ExtIN". Is strange.

pantallanetusb.png

Can you look in your Denon web app if you have only the "Auto" and "ExtIn" for the source NET / USB, or you have more options?

thanks
post #21590 of 23132
Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter Freund View Post

Hi everyone!
Quick question: I have an Emotiva XPA-5 amp hooked up to deliver 5 channels from the 4311's pre-outs. The built-in Denon amp isn't powering anything. Now, is it possible to run BOTH DSX fronts and heights using the Denon's built-in amp?
I only want to use the Denon 4311's amp to run these 2 sets of speakers (fronts and heights) and nothing else.
Can this be done? If so, how?
I think you mean DSX WIDES (not "DSX fronts") and Heights, yes? I'm assuming your L/R FRONT speakers are powered by the Emotiva. The 4311 FR/FL/C/SR/SL 5 core amps are non-assignable so will be idle but you have four "extra" amps in the AVR which can be assigned to heights, wides, surr. backs, "B" speakers, or other zones-and you assign them based on particular amp assign mode.

In your case hook up the wides and heights to the AVR speaker posts as shown on OM p 56
Then go to OM p 63:
Step 4, Select Normal
Then proceed to do Step 8, 9, 10 etc
Then rerun Audyssey Autosetup.
post #21591 of 23132
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Originally Posted by SoundofMind View Post


I think you mean DSX WIDES (not "DSX fronts") and Heights, yes? I'm assuming your L/R FRONT speakers are powered by the Emotiva. The 4311 FR/FL/C/SR/SL 5 core amps are non-assignable so will be idle but you have four "extra" amps in the AVR which can be assigned to heights, wides, surr. backs, "B" speakers, or other zones-and you assign them based on particular amp assign mode.

In your case hook up the wides and heights to the AVR speaker posts as shown on OM p 56
Then go to OM p 63:
Step 4, Select Normal
Then proceed to do Step 8, 9, 10 etc
Then rerun Audyssey Autosetup.

 

SoM, the FL, FR, C, SL, and SR all can be assigned to the Emotiva XPA5, leaving the internal amps for the remaining speakers.  I use an XPA3 for LF, RF, and C.

post #21592 of 23132
^On the 4520 you have more options, Jerry. smile.gif
post #21593 of 23132
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

@ Asere - See the beginning of this thread, there is a FAQ on amp assign.

I saw that and it says you can power 5 speakers with external amps and 4 with internal so total of 9 but how about can you do just 5 on external amp? I apologize in advance for my ignorance but I have never owned equipment were you can mix between internal and external.
post #21594 of 23132
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Originally Posted by SoundofMind View Post

^On the 4520 you have more options, Jerry. smile.gif

 

I was configured this way on my 4311 as well.  IIRC, when you select 11.1 as the configuration, it offers the option of powering either the front main speakers, or the Heights, using the internal amps.  If you select Heights, then you can run a full 11.1 configuration using one additional two-channel external amp assigned to the front speakers.  Or am I misunderstanding the OP's question?

post #21595 of 23132
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Originally Posted by asere View Post


I saw that and it says you can power 5 speakers with external amps and 4 with internal so total of 9 but how about can you do just 5 on external amp? I apologize in advance for my ignorance but I have never owned equipment were you can mix between internal and external.

 

Page 64 of the manual:

 

 

You would select "Front", which frees up the amps normally assigned to the front left and right speakers to be used as effect speakers.  Then simply connect the pre-outs for FL, FR, C, SR and SL to your XPA-5.  The internal amps can then be used for SBL, SBR, Heights and Wides.

 

Does this answer your question? 

post #21596 of 23132
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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post

Page 64 of the manual:




You would select "Front", which frees up the amps normally assigned to the front left and right speakers to be used as effect speakers.  Then simply connect the pre-outs for FL, FR, C, SR and SL to your XPA-5.  The internal amps can then be used for SBL, SBR, Heights and Wides.

Does this answer your question? 

Can I use Front for zone 2 with the external amp while using the external for the 5 speakers?
post #21597 of 23132

Asere, do you have a copy of the manual, and did you read the relevant sections?

 

From post 1 in this thread:

 

"Which possible combinations of internal and external amps are there?
- You can have ANY combination of internal and external amps. You can power 5 speakers with external amps and 4 with internal... you can power 3 with external and 8 with internal.... you can power 2 with external and 9 with internal.... 9 with external and 2 with internal.... IT'S ALL GOOD. The ONLY thing you can't do is power 11 speakers internally...... because there are only 9 amps built in!

- The ONLY exception is that, because the receiver only has 9 amps built in, when you activate 11 channel mode, the receiver forces you to choose whether the FIRST TWO extra channels will be the heights or the front L/R mains.

 

From the manual:

 

 

One of the terminals marked "Amp Assign" can be used to power Zone 2.  If you use the XPA-5, then you have the remaining internal amps that can be used for SBL, SBR, Heights, Wides. OR Zone-2.  (Not all of there speakers, of course, but some combination)

post #21598 of 23132
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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post

I was configured this way on my 4311 as well.  IIRC, when you select 11.1 as the configuration, it offers the option of powering either the front main speakers, or the Heights, using the internal amps.  If you select Heights, then you can run a full 11.1 configuration using one additional two-channel external amp assigned to the front speakers.  Or am I misunderstanding the OP's question?
Jerry, I may be confused and I see what you're referring to. I was basically rephrasing batpig about the main 5 amps here:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1274153/the-official-denon-avr-4311ci-avr-a100-thread-no-price-talk/20580#post_22834042
"with the 4311 there really isn't anything you can do with those unused amps. Basically, the "core" 5 amps (FR/FL/C/SR/SL) are totally non assignable, no matter what. The four "extra" amps can be assigned, either to heights, wides, surr.backs, "B" speakers, other zones, etc. If you were in full pre-amp mode (only external amps for the main zone) you can set it such that those four amps are devoted to zone 2 + 3, but in your situation -- 11ch mode without full pre-amp mode -- that's not an option."

I don't know what the OP means exactly but I offered a simple setup if he's using the XPA5 for FR/FL/C/SR/SL and just wants to add DSX wides and heights using the int amps.
post #21599 of 23132
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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post

Asere, do you have a copy of the manual, and did you read the relevant sections?

From post 1 in this thread:

"Which possible combinations of internal and external amps are there?

- You can have ANY combination of internal and external amps. You can power 5 speakers with external amps and 4 with internal... you can power 3 with external and 8 with internal.... you can power 2 with external and 9 with internal.... 9 with external and 2 with internal.... IT'S ALL GOOD. The ONLY thing you can't do is power 11 speakers internally...... because there are only 9 amps built in!


- The ONLY exception is that, because the receiver only has 9 amps built in, when you activate 11 channel mode, the receiver forces you to choose whether the FIRST TWO extra channels will be the heights or the front L/R mains.

From the manual:




One of the terminals marked "Amp Assign" can be used to power Zone 2.  If you use the XPA-5, then you have the remaining internal amps that can be used for SBL, SBR, Heights, Wides. OR Zone-2.  (Not all of there speakers, of course, but some combination)

I do not own this receiver but I am contemplating getting one and wanted to be clear on this. I understand now thanks for the information. Also how do you find the external amp is the sound better when using it?
post #21600 of 23132
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Originally Posted by SoundofMind View Post


Jerry, I may be confused and I see what you're referring to. I was basically rephrasing batpig about the main 5 amps here:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1274153/the-official-denon-avr-4311ci-avr-a100-thread-no-price-talk/20580#post_22834042
"with the 4311 there really isn't anything you can do with those unused amps. Basically, the "core" 5 amps (FR/FL/C/SR/SL) are totally non assignable, no matter what. The four "extra" amps can be assigned, either to heights, wides, surr.backs, "B" speakers, other zones, etc. If you were in full pre-amp mode (only external amps for the main zone) you can set it such that those four amps are devoted to zone 2 + 3, but in your situation -- 11ch mode without full pre-amp mode -- that's not an option."

I don't know what the OP means exactly but I offered a simple setup if he's using the XPA5 for FR/FL/C/SR/SL and just wants to add DSX wides and heights using the int amps.

 

I'm almost sure I was using the XPA-3 to power FL, FR, and C, leaving the remaining amps to power the rest of my 11.1 configuration.  Due to a home remodeling project, my 4311 is currently offline, so I don't have access to the menus.  Perhaps I am mistaken.  Maybe Batpig can clarify?

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