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post #21661 of 23145
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Originally Posted by Splicer010 View Post

Ensure that the 4311 and sub are grounded to the same ground point if possible. The sub cable is sometimes not enough to 'bond' the 2 together...

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Originally Posted by tc1 View Post

As a last resort put the sub on a power saver type strip so that it only gets power when the 4311 is on.

Edit: andd count yourself lucky that it is not the other way around. smile.gif

The sub is too far to put it on the same strip. The AVR is on my Panamax and my sub is across the room and I have it on a simple panamax wall plug in. The thing that puzzles me is my AV7005 did not have this hum and now the 4311 does. Just changing out units should not have this problem should it?
post #21662 of 23145
^Davesendor
OK, so to summarize and see if I've got this straight, you put a new more capable sub in same spot as old sub, ran Audyssey autosetup according to instructions. Also following the Guide, you afterwards reset all Large speakers to Small and raised all lower xovers to 80. That's good bass mgmt settings. You have a reasonable sub ch level in the AVR of -6 so Audyssey thinks your sub is pretty loud. Your sub should be getting a proper signal level.

Despite all that you are getting weaker bass than before. Correct?

Questions:
were you using DEQ in the past and if so, what was the RLO
are you using the same settings now?
post #21663 of 23145
Picked up a beautiful CWD vintage factory black with glass doors media rack over the weekend. Installed all of my Hat equipment in it and it came out great. Back is enclosed except for opening in the rear to fit hand through to make connections with wiring.

One problem . . . Some heat buld up around the 4311, just enough to make me feel uncomfortable.

I know I read some solutions months ago on this thread . . . But they are not easily found.

Look for the best practice solutions you all have found for cooling down the 4311 in a media cabinet . . . Of course, I do leave the doors open, but feel I need some meaningful solution to move some air around the 4311.

Ideas appreciated.

PS: interesting enough that the vintage Phase Linear 400 I am running as an external amp with the 4311 does not get very warm on its dedicated shelf in the cabinet.
post #21664 of 23145
Issue #2

I have an external amp, a Phase Linear 400, running my fronts using the 4311 preouts.

Of course the vintage PL 400 has no on/off switch. I have been using a power strip with on on/off switch on it. Sometimes I forget to turn it off or even sometimes to turn it on. Left it on overnight last week.

Time to grow up and start using the 12 volt trigger on the 4311.

Again best practice/purchase to include e trigger cable) so the PL 400 turns on/off with the 4311?

I know it seems like a dumb noob question, but I have never used a 12 volt trigger setup before . . .

Time to grow up and spend modest cash to get this done right and safely.

Thanks
Edited by Rhetor - 4/30/13 at 4:53pm
post #21665 of 23145
The video processing is the main heat culprit. But to answer your question, just get a USB powered fan and plug it into the rear of the 4311. Vent air to outside, cool.gif
post #21666 of 23145
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Originally Posted by Rhetor View Post

Picked up a beautiful CWD vintage factory black with glass doors media rack over the weekend. Installed all of my Hat equipment in it and it came out great. Back is enclosed except for opening in the rear to fit hand through to make connections with wiring.
One problem . . . Some heat buld up around the 4311, just enough to make me feel uncomfortable..

usb fan sits on top of 4311 blowing up: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1274153/the-official-denon-avr-4311ci-avr-a100-thread-no-price-talk/21450#post_23166004
The key is to allow the hot air to escape-if front is open when in use that should be fine-otherwise you'd put vent holes in that back panel
post #21667 of 23145
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Originally Posted by Rhetor View Post

Issue #2
I have an external amp, a Phase Linear 400, running my fronts using the 4311 preouts.
...Again best practice/purchase to include e trigger cable) so the PL 400 turns on/off with the 4311?
See OM p27 it's straightforward
Note: use MONO miniplug cable. Prob came with the amp, also available @ the Shack
post #21668 of 23145
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Originally Posted by SoundofMind View Post

See OM p27 it's straightforward
Note: use MONO miniplug cable. Prob came with the amp, also available @ the Shack
I'm pretty sure the Phase Linear 400 doesn't have a 12V trigger input, so he'll probably have to go with one of the various switched power strip options.
post #21669 of 23145
Shoot, I don't think vcrs had been invented when the Phase 400 came out. Color TV?
post #21670 of 23145
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Originally Posted by SoundofMind View Post

usb fan sits on top of 4311 blowing up: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1274153/the-official-denon-avr-4311ci-avr-a100-thread-no-price-talk/21450#post_23166004
The key is to allow the hot air to escape-if front is open when in use that should be fine-otherwise you'd put vent holes in that back panel

Thanks . . . I will get that USB fan. Vent holes are in the back of the av cabinet, but I leave the glass doors open too when using it.
post #21671 of 23145
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Originally Posted by gsr View Post

I'm pretty sure the Phase Linear 400 doesn't have a 12V trigger input, so he'll probably have to go with one of the various switched power strip options.

Correct . . . No 12v trigger on the PL400 . . . Using a cheap power strip now and wanting to get away from it to a connection with a 12v trigger to plug the PL400 into. Looking for an external trigger to work with the 4311 . . . You know, plug the PL400 into an electrical box with a built in trigger connection, then connect the trigger cable into the 4311, so when the 4311 is turned off/on the PL 400 will turn off/on. Who makes one at a good price?
post #21672 of 23145
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Originally Posted by simon wagstaff2 View Post

Shoot, I don't think vcrs had been invented when the Phase 400 came out. Color TV?

Week, that is true . . . But reconditioned men . . . Runs 200 watts per channel, driving my K-horn fronts, and is the first version, with those great looking Star Trek lighted VU meters. I like it better than my vintage Adcom GFA 555 (version 1) that just sits there and looks black. Either nicely drives a pair of K-horns well, but neither have a built in 12v trigger connection. I like vintage circling the heart of my HT, which is my beloved 4311. Love it as much as my Scott 299D integrated, also in the HT running some vinyl.
post #21673 of 23145
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Originally Posted by Rhetor View Post

Correct . . . No 12v trigger on the PL400 . . . Using a cheap power strip now and wanting to get away from it to a connection with a 12v trigger to plug the PL400 into. Looking for an external trigger to work with the 4311 . . . You know, plug the PL400 into an electrical box with a built in trigger connection, then connect the trigger cable into the 4311, so when the 4311 is turned off/on the PL 400 will turn off/on. Who makes one at a good price?
There are lots of options, but your definition of a good price and mine may be very different biggrin.gif. Just to throw a few examples out there:

1) There are power strips that you have 1 always on outlet and several switched outlets. If you plug the 4311 into the always on outlet, the strip will figure out when it's on and switch the other outlet on and turn them off when the 4311 is off. I haven't used any of these, so I don't have any specific recommendations, but these are often very inexpensive.

2) Xantech makes a switched outlet called the AC-1 which has a 12V trigger input that turns the outlet on and off. This costs around $80-100.

3) A number of Panamax (and other brands) power conditioners have banks of outlets that can be controlled with a 12V trigger input. This is probably the most expensive option as these are typically >$200.
post #21674 of 23145
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Originally Posted by Rhetor View Post

Correct . . . No 12v trigger on the PL400 . . . Using a cheap power strip now and wanting to get away from it to a connection with a 12v trigger to plug the PL400 into. Looking for an external trigger to work with the 4311 . . . You know, plug the PL400 into an electrical box with a built in trigger connection, then connect the trigger cable into the 4311, so when the 4311 is turned off/on the PL 400 will turn off/on. Who makes one at a good price?

I went the DIY route:

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http://www.avsforum.com/t/1303723/automatically-powering-on-pro-amps-via-relay-guide-w-pics
post #21675 of 23145
Just got my avr back from warranty work (hdmi sat went out) and now I don't have any displayed info on the front panel. I know there is probably a setting that can turn on and off the front display but I sure cant find it by quickly glancing through the menus on projected image on screen. Avr in another room so really frustrated walking back and forth trying to find option.

Any help?

Dimmer is set to bright. When change it nothing appears on front panel.
Edited by audiovideoholic - 4/30/13 at 7:14pm
post #21676 of 23145
The front panel display can be turned off by setting the PURE DIRECT surround mode as well as setting the DIMMER setting to OFF (p. 105 OM).
post #21677 of 23145
Edited post. Dimmer isn't on and pure direct is not on either.

I cannot get any info on front panel to appear even when changing volume, input, etc manually on the front panel.
post #21678 of 23145
You mean the Dimmer isn't OFF? tongue.gif First try unplugging the AVR for a few minutes and if still no joy then time to reset the microprocessor.
post #21679 of 23145
Lol yes dimmer is set to bright. Off, bright, dim all have the same affect.

I'll try unplugging but did that first thing as thought maybe would work.

Guess going to have to send off yet again and spend another $80 on shipping mad.gif?

This was my first denon product and has really been disappointing to say the least. I've had a bunch of avrs over the years and never had a problem till this one. Having to pay for warranty shipping gets to me as well
post #21680 of 23145
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Originally Posted by audiovideoholic View Post

Lol yes dimmer is set to bright. Off, bright, dim all have the same affect.

I'll try unplugging but did that first thing as thought maybe would work.

Guess going to have to send off yet again and spend another $80 on shipping mad.gif?

This was my first denon product and has really been disappointing to say the least. I've had a bunch of avrs over the years and never had a problem till this one. Having to pay for warranty shipping gets to me as well

Call Denon back and explain this situation. You sent your unit to have the HDMI repaired and you received this unit back with a different problem. Talk to a CS Manager, he/she should be able to take the unit back without you having to pay shipping again. Just ask them to provide a shipping label to send the unit back to repair.

Yes, you will still have to deal with the trouble of unplugging everything from the unit, packing it, shipping it, waiting for the repair, etc. and that is exactly why they should at least waive the shipping cost to you.

Good luck!
post #21681 of 23145
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Originally Posted by cr136124 View Post

Call Denon back and explain this situation. You sent your unit to have the HDMI repaired and you received this unit back with a different problem. Talk to a CS Manager, he/she should be able to take the unit back without you having to pay shipping again. Just ask them to provide a shipping label to send the unit back to repair.

Yes, you will still have to deal with the trouble of unplugging everything from the unit, packing it, shipping it, waiting for the repair, etc. and that is exactly why they should at least waive the shipping cost to you.

Good luck!

Yes, unhooking and hooking all of the stuff is a pain for sure.

I'm trying to see if can find out instructions on resetting microprocessor in case that will work. Is there any reason not to try this? Like this won't affect the warranty or anything will it? It sounds like its just like resetting many other devices.

Can someone link or give instructions on how to reset microprocessor? Searching brings up many posts that talk about it.
post #21682 of 23145
For sure try the microprocessor reset as suggested by jdsmoothie. It's on page 138 of the OM. In case you don't have the OM, here's the instuctions:
1.Turn off power using ON/STANDBY.
2. Press ON/STANDBY while simultaneously pressing STANDARD and DSP SIMULATION.
(this is all on the front panel of the 4311, don't use the remote)
3. Once the display starts flashing at intervals of about 1 second, release the two buttons.
If in step 3 the display does not flash in intervals of about 1 second, start over from step 1.
Hope this helps smile.gif
And no, it will not affect the warranty.
Edited by davidbarrickman - 4/30/13 at 8:44pm
post #21683 of 23145
I make it a practice to download an OM from denon.usa on each model I own as they are conveniently searchable pdf files.
post #21684 of 23145
I just received my Denon AVR-4311ci today and plugged it up hooked all the speakers up and turned it on. The front display does not com on everything else works great. Just out of curiosity does the display on the front of the receiver have to be turned on in the menu or is it broken?
post #21685 of 23145
^
LOL go back one page as I am having the same problem after getting mine back from warranty repairs.

I was unable to fix it so will be calling Denon tomorrow.
post #21686 of 23145
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Catching up here... Maybe you didn't have your Wheaties that morning but why were you giving him advice on 11ch config when he is only running a 9ch setup? tongue.gif The normal setting is fine for 9ch, nothing special needed.
Was wondering that myself.

Thanks (again) Batpig. I just set it to "Normal". It's late and the family just went to bed so I won't be able to test it until morning.
post #21687 of 23145
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Originally Posted by aries316 View Post

I just received my Denon AVR-4311ci today and plugged it up hooked all the speakers up and turned it on. The front display does not com on everything else works great. Just out of curiosity does the display on the front of the receiver have to be turned on in the menu or is it broken?

Does the display come on when you, for instance, turn up the volume? When it is in "Pure" mode, the display is defeated. When you change something, like the volume, the display comes up temporarily and then goes off again. If it doesn't come up in that event, I'd say it needs to go back to where it came from. If it does come on, take it out of "Pure" mode.
post #21688 of 23145
Thank you very much for the reply. Unfortunately that wasn't the problem. I called Denon and am returning the unit for an exchange. Thanks again for the reply.
post #21689 of 23145
What do you think could be some possible problems with Airplay that I just downloaded and not playing anything from my iTunes? ITunes sees the 4311 and I can select it and when I hit play on a song nothing happens. I go over to the AVR and it shows 00:00 0%. So it is like it talks to the unit but it won't go any further. I loaded up my Pandora and that is fine. I think I tried Denon Radio and that worked. The AVR is hard lined into a router and they see each other.

Any immediate thoughts of things to try besides the usual resetting router of which did nothing?
post #21690 of 23145
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Originally Posted by cdnbum88 View Post

What do you think could be some possible problems with Airplay that I just downloaded and not playing anything from my iTunes? ITunes sees the 4311 and I can select it and when I hit play on a song nothing happens. I go over to the AVR and it shows 00:00 0%. So it is like it talks to the unit but it won't go any further. I loaded up my Pandora and that is fine. I think I tried Denon Radio and that worked. The AVR is hard lined into a router and they see each other.

Any immediate thoughts of things to try besides the usual resetting router of which did nothing?

 

I assume you are running iTunes 10.  Have you selected "Allow iTunes audio control from remote speakers" in iTunes Edit/Preferences/Devices?

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