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post #22621 of 23169

^Nah, no trade-in required.  Call jd and he'll give you the latest scoop.

post #22622 of 23169
Need some help. I have a AVR-4311 that I am using Itunes and airplay. I am using a netgear router that connects my PC to the 4311. The problem is the itunes volume control and the volume control on my 4311 are synced together. The limiting factor is that once the itunes volume on my PC is maxed the volume on my 4311 is limited to -6db about 3/4 high looking at the volume bar on my TV screen. I have had airplay since I purchased the 4311 back in Aug of 2010 and this was never an issue before. I have hooked my Iphone directly to the front of the 4311 and there is no volume issues. I spoke with Denon today and they have told me that is the way it is suppose to work. It is weird that if I turn down the volume on the 4311 the volume goes down on Itunes and same goes if I adjust the volume on the itunes it will adjust the volume on the 4311. This would not be an issue if the volume of the 4311 was not limited to -6db due to the volume control on itunes being at max volume. Does anybody have this issue with airplay?
post #22623 of 23169
It's not an "issue", that is the way it is supposed to work, it is actually a "benefit" of Airplay in that the two volumes are synced, so you can control volume either with the receiver or via the Airplay source itself. So for example if you are streaming from your iPhone you can just hit the volume toggle buttons on the side of the phone and the receiver will change volume.

The fact that it is limited to -6dB could be something to do with protecting digital headroom or preventing damage to the speakers, you might want to check if you have any volume limit settings enabled in iTunes itself. Do you really need to play music louder than -6 though, that should be freakin' loud!
post #22624 of 23169
Do you have more than one airplay enabled devices on your network? In iTunes for Mac, I can stream audio to more than one Airplay devices concurrently. When enabling this mode, I can adjust o volume offset for each device individually and then set "master volume" with the iTunes' main screen volume for all connected devices.
Could it be that such a mode be (inadvertently) activated at your PC? And that the above mentioned offset for your AVR is causing the limitation? Just a guess…
post #22625 of 23169
I tried asking this in the Audyssey forum but the post keeps getting lost amongst rapid back and forth conversations so I thought I would give this thread a shot smile.gif

I have a Denon 4311 and recently went through a new round of XT32 due to new furniture in the basement. However, each time I have gone through the exercise the Audyssey setting appears to mute the vocal's vs the background instruments when doing stereo listening. This observation goes away when turning Audyssey off so I am guessing it has something to do with my measurement process.

I have a pretty high backed leather sofa so I put a blanket over it and had to move the primary mic position up and forward a bit off of ear height to get adequate spacing from the couch wall. After that, I followed the standard 8 mic position placements. I am wondering if these changes in mic position are what is causing the issue? From the best tips it seems like this is what I am supposed to do but the balance sounds off.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!
post #22626 of 23169

You've had numerous posts and responses there so why not just "bump" your post there and continue with the expert fellows who've been giving you feedback? 

post #22627 of 23169
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Originally Posted by mjodotcom View Post

I tried asking this in the Audyssey forum but the post keeps getting lost amongst rapid back and forth conversations so I thought I would give this thread a shot smile.gif

I have a Denon 4311 and recently went through a new round of XT32 due to new furniture in the basement. However, each time I have gone through the exercise the Audyssey setting appears to mute the vocal's vs the background instruments when doing stereo listening. This observation goes away when turning Audyssey off so I am guessing it has something to do with my measurement process.

I have a pretty high backed leather sofa so I put a blanket over it and had to move the primary mic position up and forward a bit off of ear height to get adequate spacing from the couch wall. After that, I followed the standard 8 mic position placements. I am wondering if these changes in mic position are what is causing the issue? From the best tips it seems like this is what I am supposed to do but the balance sounds off.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

Only thing I can think of that would cause this is that the center channel is not working properly and you are using one of the surround processing modes to use the center channel. This would cause all the information meant for the center channel to be lost. Switching back to Stereo mode will bring all the content back to the L/R speakers. All that being said, I would check to make sure the center channel is working properly.
post #22628 of 23169
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Originally Posted by duc135 View Post

Only thing I can think of that would cause this is that the center channel is not working properly and you are using one of the surround processing modes to use the center channel. This would cause all the information meant for the center channel to be lost. Switching back to Stereo mode will bring all the content back to the L/R speakers. All that being said, I would check to make sure the center channel is working properly.

Duc,

Thanks for the response. Sorry if it was not clear in my first post, but this is strictly when listening to music in STEREO so no center channel is involved.
post #22629 of 23169
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Originally Posted by SoundofMind View Post

You've had numerous posts and responses there so why not just "bump" your post there and continue with the expert fellows who've been giving you feedback? 

I have posted numerous times yes but only got one response a long time ago asking some follow-up questions which I answered. Didn't want to be " that guy" who constantly bumps his post wink.gif
post #22630 of 23169
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Originally Posted by mjodotcom View Post

Duc,

Thanks for the response. Sorry if it was not clear in my first post, but this is strictly when listening to music in STEREO so no center channel is involved.

No, you clear. I just wanted to make sure. Just in case you had possibly enabled one of the surround modes. That's the only thing I can think of that would sound remotely close to being the issue. Maybe try Audyssey Flat.

Have you tried a microprocessor AND network reset before running Audyssey? Maybe that will help. Maybe try another mic for your Audyssey calibration. I don't know man. I'm starting to just babble and throw everything I can think of out there you can possibly try.
post #22631 of 23169
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Originally Posted by mjodotcom View Post

I tried asking this in the Audyssey forum but the post keeps getting lost amongst rapid back and forth conversations so I thought I would give this thread a shot smile.gif

I have a Denon 4311 and recently went through a new round of XT32 due to new furniture in the basement. However, each time I have gone through the exercise the Audyssey setting appears to mute the vocal's vs the background instruments when doing stereo listening. This observation goes away when turning Audyssey off so I am guessing it has something to do with my measurement process.

I have a pretty high backed leather sofa so I put a blanket over it and had to move the primary mic position up and forward a bit off of ear height to get adequate spacing from the couch wall. After that, I followed the standard 8 mic position placements. I am wondering if these changes in mic position are what is causing the issue? From the best tips it seems like this is what I am supposed to do but the balance sounds off.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

 

I thought I had answered you in the Audyssey thread... keep the mic 12 inches clear of the back of the sofa even if this means it is not precisely where your head will be when listening.  If you had a previous mic position that worked for you, then use it for the new cal and you should get similar results to before. 

 

If the vocals are appearing to be at a lower level then for some reason you are lowering the SPL of frequencies in the human voice range - this is typically in the 200Hz to 1,000Hz range. Audyssey would do that if that range was appearing to be unduly high in SPL during measurement. It is possible that reflections of the back of the sofa could cause that, but I am not sure that it is what I would expect, if the mic is 12 inches forward of the sofa backrest. 

 

I am assuming you do not have independent measuring gear such as REW, so it makes it difficult to know what is actually happening.

post #22632 of 23169
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Originally Posted by mjodotcom View Post

I have posted numerous times yes but only got one response a long time ago asking some follow-up questions which I answered. Didn't want to be " that guy" who constantly bumps his post wink.gif


Dude, c'mon. :) You have been posting for months on the Audyssey thread, have gotten a plethora of responses from some top contributors (including Keith) and even sparked some interesting technical discussions.

 

Sometimes the solution to a problem is obvious and easy despite the fact that all we are hampered in our troubleshooting by being limited to posting on-line. This does not appear to be simple so, as you've come to know by now, may well entail some back-and-forth with you providing lots of data such as pics of the room, gear list, speaker location, details about your mic placement technique, etc. 

 

IIRC you've already provided quite a bit of that over time on the Audyssey thread.  But if the mic placement suggestions already offered don't help with this issue, you should indeed feel free to repost, succinctly summarizing the data and your efforts to date. Perhaps you could also cite some particular well-known musical passages and describe the effect you're hearing in detail.

 

And IMO yes, the best place for that is the Audyssey thread as it's crawling with experts and this  seems to be an Audyssey-related issue.  So just keep it up till you're happy with your results-that's exactly what the forum is for!

post #22633 of 23169
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Originally Posted by mjodotcom View Post

I have posted numerous times yes but only got one response a long time ago asking some follow-up questions which I answered. Didn't want to be " that guy" who constantly bumps his post wink.gif


Dude, c'mon. :) You have been posting for months on the Audyssey thread, have gotten a plethora of responses from some top contributors (including Keith) and even sparked some interesting technical discussions.

 

Sometimes the solution to a problem is obvious and easy despite the fact that all we are hampered in our troubleshooting by being limited to posting on-line. This does not appear to be simple so, as you've come to know by now, may well entail some back-and-forth with you providing lots of data such as pics of the room, gear list, speaker location, details about your mic placement technique, etc. 

 

IIRC you've already provided quite a bit of that over time on the Audyssey thread.  But if the mic placement suggestions already offered don't help with this issue, you should indeed feel free to repost, succinctly summarizing the data and your efforts to date. Perhaps you could also cite some particular well-known musical passages and describe the effect you're hearing in detail.

 

And IMO yes, the best place for that is the Audyssey thread as it's crawling with experts and this  seems to be an Audyssey-related issue.  So just keep it up till you're happy with your results-that's exactly what the forum is for!

 

Absolutely +1. Nobody minds someone coming back and saying "I tried your advice but it didn't work for me...." In fact, that is how the knowledge base develops and increases in value of course. 

 

@mjodotcom - SoM is right - keep on at it in the Audyssey thread until you get somewhere with it. Very few Audyssey issues have remained unresolved for ever.

post #22634 of 23169
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Originally Posted by kbarnes701 View Post

Absolutely +1. Nobody minds someone coming back and saying "I tried your advice but it didn't work for me...." In fact, that is how the knowledge base develops and increases in value of course. 

@mjodotcom
 - SoM is right - keep on at it in the Audyssey thread until you get somewhere with it. Very few Audyssey issues have remained unresolved for ever.

No sweat - I will continue the dialog in the Audyssey thread. Thanks for the responses!
post #22635 of 23169
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Originally Posted by SoundofMind View Post


Dude, c'mon. smile.gif You have been posting for months on the Audyssey thread, have gotten a plethora of responses from some top contributors (including Keith) and even sparked some interesting technical discussions.

Sometimes the solution to a problem is obvious and easy despite the fact that all we are hampered in our troubleshooting by being limited to posting on-line. This does not appear to be simple so, as you've come to know by now, may well entail some back-and-forth with you providing lots of data such as pics of the room, gear list, speaker location, details about your mic placement technique, etc. 

IIRC you've already provided quite a bit of that over time on the Audyssey thread.  But if the mic placement suggestions already offered don't help with this issue, you should indeed feel free to repost, succinctly summarizing the data and your efforts to date. Perhaps you could also cite some particular well-known musical passages and describe the effect you're hearing in detail.

And IMO yes, the best place for that is the Audyssey thread as it's crawling with experts and this  seems to be an Audyssey-related issue.  So just keep it up till you're happy with your results-that's exactly what the forum is for!

SoM - I didn't mean to say I never have gotten a response on anything ever, was just speaking to my most recent dialog over the past several days is all. I am more than gracious for the advise and direction I have received from this community. It is awesome!

Anyways, message received. I will take this back to the Audyssey thread and not worry about re-posting wink.gif
post #22636 of 23169

Cool.  Yeah, that thread can move pretty fast, you're not the first who has had to bump!


Edited by SoundofMind - 10/31/13 at 11:52am
post #22637 of 23169
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Originally Posted by SoundofMind View Post

Cool.  Yeah, that thread can move pretty fast, you're not the first who has had to bump!

That's actually a positive, in its way. There are other threads on AVS that sometimes takes days, if not weeks, to get an answer, sometimes never. I remember about five years ago, when I ran into HDMI handshake issues with a certain Denon flagship DVD player, I'd post about the conflict, spell out what kind of TV (Kuro at the time) and equipment I had, and never got anyone to pay attention. This was enough to put me off of posting on AVS until I decided I needed new AVR advice, and the rest was history.,

It's a tribute to the dedication of the more active posters a comment can generate a fair amount of discussion, as mjodot's did. Only issue, generally speaking, is avoiding IMO familiarity leading to the floating chat room, which is interesting to us in the know, less to anyone actually coming here for advice, heaven forbid...wink.gif
post #22638 of 23169

^Tru, Stu.

post #22639 of 23169
Hello I just got a Denon 4311 and I was wondering about the Dynamic EQ/Volume indicator lights that usually light up... as in my previous 2809.. Dynamic EQ-Red, Dynamic Volume-Green.

does the 4311 not have the same indicators or is something wrong with my display panel..

same for HD sound blue light up logo...

i see DTS-Master-HD in the display but no blue light up logo..

need to figure out if this is a problem so i can return the unit...

also if i am using external amps, do i need to select the appropriate impedance or it doesn't apply?

any help from other owners would be appreciated

thanx...
post #22640 of 23169
No colorful indicator lights on the 4311. Your unit is not defective based on those questions alone.

Leave the impedance set to 8ohms. It won't make a difference if you're using external amps, but is still the better option when using the internal amps regardless of the impedance of the speaker connected.
post #22641 of 23169
thanx. appreciate it...
post #22642 of 23169
Does the 4311 have a Blue light for A-DSX, like the 3311?
post #22643 of 23169
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Originally Posted by SanchoPanza View Post

Does the 4311 have a Blue light for A-DSX, like the 3311?

Yes, it does.
post #22644 of 23169
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Originally Posted by scary_harry View Post

In the menu go to Manual setup/network setup/other. There you can turn off 'update notification' and 'upgrade notification'.
Thanks mjodotcom, after a new MP reset and network reset the problem seems to be solved. I didn't have the time to go deep in the set up but the problem now is that, when I run the odyssey set up, the center channel sounds really weak, almost no presence on the center speaker. I have to manually change the level to get it at the same level of the rest of speakers.
My system includes a couple of B&W DM601 fronts, B&W ASW300 SW and Kef 2005 for center, surround and surr wide.

I have checked the connections and re do the audissey process several times with similar results, the only strange thing is that sometimes the sw distance is not measured correctly, the rest mainly stays the same in every measure.
My listening area is really small and I don't know if this could be the problem, I have read most of the more than 7xx pages on this post and searched but the solutions to similar problems did not helped in my case (unless my calibration mic is defective).
Have anybody ever experienced an issue like this and solved?. Thanks in advance.
post #22645 of 23169

^What do you mean exactly-that the CC channel trim is different than your R/L as determined by autosetup? If so, that's not unusual or unexpected especially given the brand mismatch.

 

You should spend some time with the Audyssey setup guide http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=14456895#post14456895

 

Also see this FAQ on sub distance: http://www.avsforum.com/t/795421/official-audyssey-thread-faq-in-post-51779/51750#user_e4

 

 

post #22646 of 23169
I have a 4311 using Klipsch Reference speakers in an 11.1 setup. I have RF-82II's for FL and FR, an RC-64II for C, RF-62II's for wides, RB-61II's for heights, and 4 RS-52's for my surrounds. I have an SVS PC13-ultra handling my low frequencies (speakers all set to small and crossed at 80hz). All speakers are using the Denon's internal amps except for the height channel which uses an external amp (a cheap amp which just died, thus my inquiries). I do mostly tv and movie watching (no music) and I listen at approx. -10db for most content. With the amp driving this many speakers, would I be better served off-loading the FL, FR, and C channels to something like an Emovita XPA-3 g2 and moving the heights onto the denon? While a subjective question, would I gain detail/clarity to the remaining channels by moving these to an external amp? If you don't think I might benefit from an external amp for the FL, FR, and C, what amp might you recommend to handle the heights? Would the mini-X a-100 offering from Emotiva suffice or do I need the power of the UPA-200 for the heights?

Thanks in advance,
JL
post #22647 of 23169
Since your speakers a very sensitive, it won't take much power at all to drive them. IMO if you need to get an external amp, I would connect your main L/R speaker and center channel (if you want to) to the external amp since these are the speakers that get the most use by far. You can't go wrong with any speakers connected to the external amp since all of your speakers have a sensitivity rating of >95dBs. The fact that you are crossing them over to a sub reduces our power requirements even more. You'll be fine with the UPA-200 for the fronts. You can even step up to the XPA-200, but that's only a minimal increase that you wouldn't even need. I wouldn't be surprised if the mini-X A-100 is more than enough for your RF-82 IIs.
post #22648 of 23169

^If it sounds clear now at the level you want to listen to, it's likely there's little to nothing to gain from adding a powerful ext amp for FR/L& CC.  As you have very efficient speakers and are taking good advantage of proper bass management w/ a powered sub and the 4311's amps are pretty good,  that wouldn't be surprising.  Yup, the Emo miniX a-100 is fine for heights.   Now on sale for $169!

post #22649 of 23169
Just noticed something weird with my a100.

I powered on the A100 this morning, and it was still on BD, with volume around -10, because we watched a blu-ray last night. All my other components except the external amp were off. So I'm sitting there in silence and I start hearing these voices. I turned up the volume and realized a radio station was coming through the speakers.

Last time I listened to the tuner was on zone2, but it is powered off. So I switched the zone 2 input to something else like BD, and the sound in the main zone goes away. I switched zone 2 back to tuner, made sure it was powered off, and then tried switching main zone inputs. Most of them let the tuner from zone2 bleed through. So back to BD on the main zone. I turn on the player without a disc, and as soon as it boots up, the bleed through stops.

I don't think this is anything to worry about, but it's not an expected behavior. Anyone else notice the same thing or willing to check their 4311/a100?
post #22650 of 23169
Analog "bleed" from zone 2 has definitely been reported several times before.
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