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post #22681 of 23178
My Front left channel cuts out
Sometimes during movies the front left channel cuts out for a split second.
I have switched the front speakers and cables, still left channel.
Have separate amps. Sunfire Amp rated for 450 w X 5.
Checked the cable to the Amps.
Don't think its cabling.
Should I try to rerun Audyssey or perform a full factory reset?
Its the same passage in a movie that causes this problem, I can rewind and reproduce, that leads me to a Dolby decoding/Audyssey issue.
In some movies it does not happen at all, others often. I switch to stereo and it does not happen. It does not happen with stereo music.

Any suggestions are welcome.

Thanks,

Torben
post #22682 of 23178
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Originally Posted by BCRSS View Post

Could some one please explain page 99 of the manual in the audio setup EXT. In Setup about the +15dB recommended level for the subwoofer level. This seems to me to counter what the Audyssey does to the trim on my subs. I am just trying to figure out what this setting actually does and means.
Thanks

That setting only applies to the multich analog inputs. It has nothing to do with audyssey or the sub trim. It just allows you to configure the necessary LFE boost when using an external player decoding since many SACD players do not apply the proper LFE boos when decoding to analog.
post #22683 of 23178
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Originally Posted by tverdich View Post

My Front left channel cuts out
Sometimes during movies the front left channel cuts out for a split second.
I have switched the front speakers and cables, still left channel.
Have separate amps. Sunfire Amp rated for 450 w X 5.
Checked the cable to the Amps.
Don't think its cabling.
Should I try to rerun Audyssey or perform a full factory reset?
Its the same passage in a movie that causes this problem, I can rewind and reproduce, that leads me to a Dolby decoding/Audyssey issue.
In some movies it does not happen at all, others often. I switch to stereo and it does not happen. It does not happen with stereo music.

Any suggestions are welcome.

Thanks,

Torben

 

If it happens in the same spot on a specific passage, I would think it is the movie and not the AVR.  Regardless, Audyssey is not the cause.  A factory reset never hurts when you are having a strange problem, but remember to run a network configuration save or you will lose all your settings and calibration.

post #22684 of 23178
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

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That setting only applies to the multich analog inputs. It has nothing to do with audyssey or the sub trim. It just allows you to configure the necessary LFE boost when using an external player decoding since many SACD players do not apply the proper LFE boos when decoding to analog.
Thank you. I total understand the use for it now.
post #22685 of 23178
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Originally Posted by graphicguy View Post

It's really interesting how I take most of my HT/DVD-A/SACD gear for granted. I suppose that's a good thing, given that listening is not supposed to draw attention to the equipment, but to the disk you're watching/listening to.

I was reminded of this fact last night. My 4311 has been a true electronic soldier, inasmuch as I've had it for a while now, and have never thought about upgrading/replacing it.

This revelation came again as I watched Superman-Man of Steel last night, at what I'd consider reference level.eek.gif

Good thing my HT is in my basement recreation room (15X19). If not, I'm guessing someone would have called the police as they would have thought there was a huge riot going on in my house with death and destruction being heaped out in bunches.

This AVR is now more than a few years removed from its introduction. Yet, it fails at nothing. XT32 perfectly set up my two Subs. The soundstage was very broad and very cohesive with a very convincing, palpable sound.

After the film completed, even though I was by myself, I actually said WOW out "loud". Not because the movie was that wonderful. It was good....some pretty big gaps in the story and an ending that, well without giving away a spoiler, makes zero sense.

I threw on the Beatles LOVE DVD-A and was reminded again, how good this piece of AV gear truly is.

This is now a piece I would consider worthy of my personal "Hall of Fame".

No real questions or answers to give. Just so pleased with the 4311, I thought I'd share.

Hey GG, how the he** are ya! I just wanted to echo what you said, I am still loving my 4311!
post #22686 of 23178
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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post

If it happens in the same spot on a specific passage, I would think it is the movie and not the AVR.  Regardless, Audyssey is not the cause.  A factory reset never hurts when you are having a strange problem, but remember to run a network configuration save or you will lose all your settings and calibration.

I will do a backup and try a factory reset and retest.
The problem happens in to many Blue-ray and broadcast TV so I don't think its the disk or show.

Thanks for the tip.
Edited by tverdich - 11/15/13 at 11:17am
post #22687 of 23178
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Originally Posted by SoundofMind View Post



LOL. As most of you are aware I almost succumbed a month ago prompted by a Denon AVR 4520/DBT 3313 package deal that has now expired.  I find that Marantz pre/pro interesting in part because I already have enough ext amps laying around. 

But my enthusiasm for upgrades in the HT has ebbed.  Surprisingly,  that's in no small part due to you good fellows helping to convincing me to ditch the old entertainment center so I could upgrade from a 40" to 65" HDTV.  It looks and sounds fab so the A100 player & A100AVR combo with DenonLink remains and I am content to enjoy the fruits of my HT labors and $ outlay, at least for now. wink.gif

Actually at present I'm in the throes of a steep Android learning curve, having made the jump from  my trusty iPhone4s to a Samsung Note3 to acquire more screen real estate!

Nope .... still a few more left ...... smile.gif
post #22688 of 23178

^Nooooooo....tie me to the mast again, men!

 

:p

post #22689 of 23178
Heh .... heh ... biggrin.gif
post #22690 of 23178
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Originally Posted by Gov View Post

Hey GG, how the he** are ya! I just wanted to echo what you said, I am still loving my 4311!

GOV....how are you? I'm not here nearly as much as we used to be.

Just moved my KURO to my den and scored a Panny 65VT60 before they are all gone. Audiowise, I've been pretty status quo. That means I don't see anything that I'd consider an upgrade.

Hope you're well!
post #22691 of 23178
I'm having to run a temporary setup while construction is done to my house. I only have my Klipsch RC-64 center connected to the receiver. However, I was surprised to see I can't disable the fronts. What I did was set the fronts and center to Large so they play all bass, and then set the receiver to all channel stereo. This seems to work but it sounds completely awful, much worse than what the RC-64 is capable of. If there a better method of doing this? I'd like to have remotely decent sound for the month I won't be able to use my fronts.

Thanks.
post #22692 of 23178
At a minimum, the FL/FR speakers are required. If you can't set up your regular mains, grab the surrounds and use them as the mains.
post #22693 of 23178
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Originally Posted by jdsmoothie View Post

At a minimum, the FL/FR speakers are required. If you can't set up your regular mains, grab the surrounds and use them as the mains.

Ah good idea, thanks.
post #22694 of 23178
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Originally Posted by Lotus00 View Post

ha ha - ok thanks - he must of meant the switch from Japan to China - I'm glad the 4311 is made in Japan

This is the last mention I could find in the search function of the 4311 being made in China or Japan. I was looking at upgrading from my 3803 to the 4311, but everything I see on it now says Made In China.

Can some of the people who are in-the-know confirm this one way or the other??

Thanks!!
post #22695 of 23178

Some of the best audio equipment manufacturers use assembly plants in China with very good results.  How can this possibly make any difference, assuming that electronics are manufactured following strict specifications?

post #22696 of 23178
It has, and always will make a difference to me.
post #22697 of 23178
I think I was asking why, but if the reason is "Just because..", then we can move on.
post #22698 of 23178

AFAIK this model was made in Japan throughout its production life so there are no Chinese models. 

post #22699 of 23178
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Originally Posted by AustinJerry View Post

Some of the best audio equipment manufacturers use assembly plants in China with very good results.  How can this possibly make any difference, assuming that electronics are manufactured following strict specifications?
I'm with you. China or Japan, who cares?
post #22700 of 23178
I wanna know where you are getting the info that this model was made in China. The 4311 is discontinued and hasn't been in production for some time, so at what point are these fictional "made in China" versions coming about? Who is saying that?
post #22701 of 23178


I don't know if the image came through, but it is from here:

http://www.crutchfield.com/p_033AV4311C/Denon-AVR-4311CI.html

China or Japan?? Who cares......c'mon guys, I wasn't asking for your opinion of it mattered or not, just if anyone could confirm either way.

Did the salesman grill you over the color of your last car??
post #22702 of 23178
Hi there everyone,

I usually ask batpig all of my 4311 questions over in the Energy Owners Thread ... but considering this is fully Denon-related, I figured I'd ask it to everyone here (batpig included!). smile.gif

I love my 4311. I've spent more on it than any of my speakers (I have craigslist to thank for the speaker prices, however!) ... and batpig helped me with my only complaint I had with it: I love the XT32, but with music listening, I felt the bass lacking. He then walked me through the process of how I could (in my layman's terms) adjust a separate Audyssey setup for 2ch listening with "bass-to-taste".
This has worked spectacularly, and I honestly couldn't be anymore thrilled with my 2.1ch music listening! And that has been the case for months and months now. smile.gif

I am, however, finding more and more stereo music that sounds absolutely excellent with PLIIz in 7.1 -- but, as before ... the bass almost completely dies out, at least in regards to my listening tastes.
Is there any process or suggestions I can go through to potentially get the bass in PLIIz 7.1 more to my liking, without destroying my movie-listening Audyssey settings?
I do, of course, have a dial on my subwoofer...but turning that up actually doesn't really affect the bass in the same way.
In a way, I almost feel like I'm describing an equalizer as far as the control I'm wanting -- but the 2ch method batpig had me do for 2ch listening worked wonderfully...so an in-recevier fix, I'm hoping, may be out there with you Denon geniuses! biggrin.gif
Just as (again, in my layman's terms) a quick explanation, the process batpig had me do was to, in 2ch listening, access the audyssey settings, change it to custom (I believe), and then down the volume of the L/R speakers. That effectively made the bass more pronounced when listening with the music at my regular listening volumes.

Excited to hear what suggestions you all may have! biggrin.gif
post #22703 of 23178
Hello Dirk 1843-my 4311ci was manufactured in Sept. 2011, and was "made in Japan; that was "Post Japanese Tsunami". I would suspect the Crutchfield picture was an early photo in the 4311 sales history, but who knows-why not purchase one, from an authorized reseller-should be the latest production model-and if it says "China", return it for a refund?
post #22704 of 23178
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Originally Posted by johnb4467 View Post
 ... and batpig helped me with my only complaint I had with it: I love the XT32, but with music listening, I felt the bass lacking. He then walked me through the process of how I could (in my layman's terms) adjust a separate Audyssey setup for 2ch listening with "bass-to-taste".
This has worked spectacularly, and I honestly couldn't be anymore thrilled with my 2.1ch music listening! And that has been the case for months and months now. smile.gif

I am, however, finding more and more stereo music that sounds absolutely excellent with PLIIz in 7.1 -- but, as before ... the bass almost completely dies out, at least in regards to my listening tastes.
Is there any process or suggestions I can go through to potentially get the bass in PLIIz 7.1 more to my liking, without destroying my movie-listening Audyssey settings?...


Yes you are describing a "house curve" and an equalizer would be way to get that. But the basic graphic EQ option built into the AVR does not work with Audyssey engaged.

 

You should not touch the knob on your sub (unless it's digital) as it makes it difficult to get back to reference listening setting you enjoy for movies. But just to clarify,  what batpig suggested was the equivalent of turning up the AVR's sub channel to your sub when in Stereo mode. The 4311's custom Stereo mode memory makes that easy and automatic and as you've found, and it does not affect your movie listening.  If you have a digital sub vol knob, you are free to fiddle with it to your preference and then just put it back where it was.  (BTW my Velodyne subs not only have digital vol but customizable EQ/Vol presets switchable via remote control, so I set up my preference with the subs at reference for music but boosted for action movies.)

 

Offhand I can't think of an automatic1 touch solution unless you can utilize a Quick Select to memorize either

1. set a boosted sub ch trim or

2. to engage Tone control (with the Bass turned up a bit). 

You then assign another QS to reset to your baseline settings for movie watching. I've never used QS so can't say if it'd work. 

 

Of course  manually you can do either 1 or 2 to taste rather easily with a couple of button pushes of your AVR remote. There is also the option of engaging DynEQ which will boost the bass but you may find it boosts the surrounds too much.  BTW DynEQ and Tone control are mutually exclusive on this AVR.

post #22705 of 23178
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Originally Posted by dirk1843 View Post

I don't know if the image came through, but it is from here:
http://www.crutchfield.com/p_033AV4311C/Denon-AVR-4311CI.html

We've seen odd photos before on these forums so it may not be accurate.  But that's a good deal on a good AVR from an authorized dealer with good CS-you could call them to verify where it's made, it's right on the outside of the box in their warehouse. 

 

I'd certainly call jdsmoothie to see if AVS has any 4311s in stock, to get a price and to see if he has any info on country of manufacture. 

 

Personally, I avoid buying Made in China when I can.  Not so much QC concerns anymore but political/economic-it's OT and so nuff said....

post #22706 of 23178
Ah....The sad sound of politics......cool.gif
post #22707 of 23178
Personally, I buy Made in China when I can. Not so much for QC concerns anymore but personal economic reasons. May be OT, but mine is NOT political, only less expensive.

I'd still rather have a 4311 made in Japan & would pay extra for that.
post #22708 of 23178
Thanks for the positive replies folks.

I had no intention of starting a flame conflict over Japan vs China, all I was wondering was if a product we had KNOWN was made in Japan had changed point of manufacture.

Same as being made cause Charmin made their rolls smaller........
post #22709 of 23178
Dirk, both my 4311 box and the unit itself are labeled "Made in Japan". I have had it for a couple of years so I do not know if they changed manufacturing facilities or the photo you posted was an error.
post #22710 of 23178
For the life of me I can't find where I can enable the USB for the rear via the menu, has there been any firmware that has changed the GUI menu, it seem simpler, not as vast as i remember.

Also the iOS remote app has render useless, WTF happen to it? It's like they try to put 10 lbs of crap in a 5 lbs bag mad.gif I use to love the easy feel, and ease navigating method.

I tried the android that didn't work, and the slew of bad review lead me to delete it quickly!

Anyone has some insight on the above issues it would be greatly appreciated

Thanks

Djoel
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