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post #22711 of 23170
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Originally Posted by Djoel View Post

For the life of me I can't find where I can enable the USB for the rear via the menu, has there been any firmware that has changed the GUI menu, it seem simpler, not as vast as i remember.

Also the iOS remote app has render useless, WTF happen to it? It's like they try to put 10 lbs of crap in a 5 lbs bag mad.gif I use to love the easy feel, and ease navigating method.

I tried the android that didn't work, and the slew of bad review lead me to delete it quickly!

Anyone has some insight on the above issues it would be greatly appreciated

Thanks

Djoel

Try AVR-Remote for Android. USB selection should be under Source Select / Input Mode / Playback Mode / USB Select.
post #22712 of 23170
There has been a NEW iOS & @ least 2 updates recently. Now on iOS 7.0.4 & updates to both Denon & Marantz Apps.
post #22713 of 23170
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Originally Posted by Kisakuku View Post

Try AVR-Remote for Android. USB selection should be under Source Select / Input Mode / Playback Mode / USB Select.

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Originally Posted by SanchoPanza View Post

There has been a NEW iOS & @ least 2 updates recently. Now on iOS 7.0.4 & updates to both Denon & Marantz Apps.


Thanks for the quick responses guys. smile.gif I did try the android but it did work, I believe it was stuck on demo mode and didn't want to go pass that...I'll try it again and see if anything changed since.


Djoel
post #22714 of 23170
For those interested, Crutchfield has brand new 4311 receivers on sale for a great price.
post #22715 of 23170
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Originally Posted by SoundofMind View Post


Yes you are describing a "house curve" and an equalizer would be way to get that. But the basic graphic EQ option built into the AVR does not work with Audyssey engaged.

Offhand I can't think of an automatic1 touch solution unless you can utilize a Quick Select to memorize either
1. set a boosted sub ch trim or
2. to engage Tone control (with the Bass turned up a bit). 
You then assign another QS to reset to your baseline settings for movie watching. I've never used QS so can't say if it'd work. 

Of course  manually you can do either 1 or 2 to taste rather easily with a couple of button pushes of your AVR remote. There is also the option of engaging DynEQ which will boost the bass but you may find it boosts the surrounds too much.  BTW DynEQ and Tone control are mutually exclusive on this AVR.

Hi, and thank you for the response!

If I was to turn off Audyssey for PLIIz music listening, where in the maze-of-a-menu would I locate the graphic EQ? I have not fiddled with the other options you mention (sub ch trim and tone control), but hopefully I can locate and adjust them without altering too many other things in the process.
The only downside to the menus is that my setup is connected to a projector, and I'd most certainly not want that on all the time when I'm listening to music (don't want to kill off my bulb-life). I'm assuming digging through the menus would be tricky just via the receiver display. Unless you can access these things through the Denon iPhone app?
post #22716 of 23170
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Originally Posted by johnb4467 View Post


...If I was to turn off Audyssey for PLIIz music listening, where in the maze-of-a-menu would I locate the graphic EQ? I have not fiddled with the other options you mention (sub ch trim and tone control), but hopefully I can locate and adjust them without altering too many other things in the process.
The only downside to the menus is that my setup is connected to a projector, and I'd most certainly not want that on all the time when I'm listening to music (don't want to kill off my bulb-life). I'm assuming digging through the menus would be tricky just via the receiver display. Unless you can access these things through the Denon iPhone app?

I recommend you see your OM, it's also downloadable from usa.denon  

 

I hope batpig or jd will weigh in on whether a QuickSelect (OM p 67) would work for memorizing an increased sub ch trim in PLIIz Music, or setting the Tone control=ON.  

 

If QS will not, then one of the simplest things to do once you're in PLIIzMusic ModeMusic is to turn up the sub by simply pressing the CH LEVEL button on the remote.  Note the sub ch level.  Turn it up to taste and note the setting. Now, I doubt if that specific sub trim level will be memorized for PLIIzMusic Mode and reset back when you switch to Movie Mode (that may be too detailed for the Personal Memory Plus feature). But if not, just use the CH LEVEL button to trim it back down when you're done.

 

OM p 75 for a nice general navigation guide

 

OM p 88 for Tone Contr-this would prob be your simplest option, boosting bass with Audyssey (but no DEQ)

 

OM p91 for Manual EQ- I suggest you start with"Curve Copy" and then adjust the lowewr freq bands up if you want more bass.  But personally I'd find this the least attractive option as you have to give up Audyssey. 

 

Many pj folks use a very small aux screen for such purposes. The iPh app is cool-but I never found much use for it and traded mine in for a Note 3 so I dunno, just try it. 

post #22717 of 23170
I am planning on expanding to a 11.2 setup and was wondering if there is any advantage to amp the fronts or wide or height?
Has anyone tried the above and noticed anything that would suggest a preferred method?
Thanks
post #22718 of 23170
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Originally Posted by BCRSS View Post

I am planning on expanding to a 11.2 setup and was wondering if there is any advantage to amp the fronts or wide or height?
Has anyone tried the above and noticed anything that would suggest a preferred method?
Thanks

Probably not. I would suggest that before buying an amp that you try 9.2 with heights and take the wides out via setup. Depending upon your setup, you can get virtual imaging where the wides are sitting.
post #22719 of 23170

^The OP didn't ask about that, and besides Audyssey recommends wides before heights  

post #22720 of 23170
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Originally Posted by BCRSS View Post

I am planning on expanding to a 11.2 setup and was wondering if there is any advantage to amp the fronts or wide or height?
Has anyone tried the above and noticed anything that would suggest a preferred method?
Thanks

Of course there is an advantage to amps: more power. The question is do you NEED more power? This is not a question that can be answered definitely in a vacuum, and you provided zero details about your setup. So your question impossible to answer.

Power requirements are a function of your speakers (impedance, sensitivity), listening distance, and the desired volume, plus any other variables like room acoustics or bass management. In a small room with sensitive speakers and never going above -10db volume, you are probably fine. If you are trying to play at reference volumes in a big room, you might not be.
post #22721 of 23170
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Originally Posted by BCRSS View Post

I am planning on expanding to a 11.2 setup and was wondering if there is any advantage to amp the fronts or wide or height?
Has anyone tried the above and noticed anything that would suggest a preferred method?
Thanks


If you're getting good clean sound at your full enjoyment listening level now, you could just add a small inexpensive amp for heights, like an Emo miniX, as they don't need much power. 

 

But if you want more total power available from the amps in the AVR (and/or are a Stereo enthusiast) you might well instead offload the FR/L to a decent amp. Anything from an  Emotiva UPA2 on up, for ex.

post #22722 of 23170
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Originally Posted by SoundofMind View Post

^The OP didn't ask about that, and besides Audyssey recommends wides before heights  

Unlike you, I don't care what Audyssey recommends when it comes to wides, having initially tried them with the 4311. Audyssey is not God. If one is not willing to experiment, then one will never know what your setup can sound like.
post #22723 of 23170
I just ordered a 4311 today. Is it recommended that I update the firmware when I get it or how do I check what version its using?
post #22724 of 23170
Yup. Just connect it to the wifi router/modem.
post #22725 of 23170
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Originally Posted by batpig View Post

Of course there is an advantage to amps: more power. The question is do you NEED more power? This is not a question that can be answered definitely in a vacuum, and you provided zero details about your setup. So your question impossible to answer.

Power requirements are a function of your speakers (impedance, sensitivity), listening distance, and the desired volume, plus any other variables like room acoustics or bass management. In a small room with sensitive speakers and never going above -10db volume, you are probably fine. If you are trying to play at reference volumes in a big room, you might not be.

Room size is 13.4x16.5x8
L/C/R are Ascends 340's soon to be Sierra-2's
Surrounds are all Ascend 170's
Subs are svs pb 12+
Movie listen at around -7 through -10
Music can go to reference.
MLP = 9 feet
speaker layout = 0 center, 27L / R, 58 WL /WR, 98 SL / SR, 130 RL / RR degrees

My thought was to get the upa2 and power the fronts. If I did use the UPA2 would that free up some juice for the other internal amps?
post #22726 of 23170
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Originally Posted by knight_40k View Post

I just ordered a 4311 today. Is it recommended that I update the firmware when I get it or how do I check what version its using?

You might have to do an UPGRADE too, if you want to use Airplay.
post #22727 of 23170
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Originally Posted by BCRSS View Post

My thought was to get the upa2 and power the fronts. If I did use the UPA2 would that free up some juice for the other internal amps?

Yes, as I stated above.  That amount is the difference between what the fronts and heights draw.  The bottleneck is the one power transformer for all the int amps in the AVR.  So by adding an ext amp powerful enough to handle the fronts, it leaves more headroom for the other 9 chs powered by the AVR.  In fact, many folks, like myself, get 3 channels of capable ext amplification because the CC probably sucks the most.  I'm not sayin' that's necessary in your case.

post #22728 of 23170
^^ SoM
I understand now. Reading back from the first few pages of this thread it seems that if I did go to a 3 channel amp, not saying I will, but setting the AVR to 11 channel, the GUI looks like only the fronts or heights are available in pre out but batpig stated using a 3 channel amp will still work fine, so I assume the pre-outs are always hot?
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yes, you are free to externally amp any channels you want, but no, you cannot "turn off" individual amps. They will still be "on" although of course they won't be drawing any current, so there will be more power available for the other channels.
post #22729 of 23170
From post #1 wink.gif


Which possible combinations of internal and external amps are there?
- You can have ANY combination of internal and external amps. You can power 5 speakers with external amps and 4 with internal... you can power 3 with external and 8 with internal.... you can power 2 with external and 9 with internal.... 9 with external and 2 with internal.... IT'S ALL GOOD. The ONLY thing you can't do is power 11 speakers internally...... because there are only 9 amps built in!

- The ONLY exception is that, because the receiver only has 9 amps built in, when you activate 11 channel mode, the receiver forces you to choose whether the FIRST TWO extra channels will be the heights or the front L/R mains.

How do I activate the preouts?
- You do not need to activate anything. When you are in 11ch mode, ALL THE PREOUTS ARE HOT at all times. You don't have to assign anything or set anything beyond the selection for the first two externally amped channels, the preouts are ALL HOT.
post #22730 of 23170
Thank you for the confirmation and please accept my apologize for asking questions that have been gone over many, many times. I have a tendency to be over cautious after losing everything 17 years. And probably need that reaffirming answer from some one that knows more than myself. So thanks again.
post #22731 of 23170

^BC, no need to apologize.

batpig and I believe in "teaching the man to fish", though we do often provide the fish as well.  ;)

Your sincere questions are welcome and your thanks are appreciated. 

post #22732 of 23170
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Originally Posted by SoundofMind View Post

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Originally Posted by BCRSS View Post

My thought was to get the upa2 and power the fronts. If I did use the UPA2 would that free up some juice for the other internal amps?
Yes, as I stated above.  That amount is the difference between what the fronts and heights draw.  The bottleneck is the one power transformer for all the int amps in the AVR.  So by adding an ext amp powerful enough to handle the fronts, it leaves more headroom for the other 9 chs powered by the AVR.  In fact, many folks, like myself, get 3 channels of capable ext amplification because the CC probably sucks the most.  I'm not sayin' that's necessary in your case.

There may be no bottleneck at all.

Bench tests of power amps and AVRs are done with pure sine waves which puts at the very least twice and typically four or more times more stress on the power supply than even highly compressed music.

If you pick the 4x number which is actually conservative (the multiplier for music can go up to 10 or more) then the 2 channel ratings turn into 8 channel ratings. You can see where this is headed, it is all good!

Another multichannel power multiplier relates to the fact that all of the channels on a multichannel recording are not identical. If they were identical the perception of spatiality and sound staging would be very low. So the bench test situation were all of the channels are driven identically is actually very unrealistic and again puts an unecessary strain on the multichannel device.

The sharing of one power supply by all of the amplifiers in a multichannel is actually a very good idea because it allows power that is not used by some channels to be available to the remaining channels. So, monoblocks are a bad idea.
post #22733 of 23170

^Agreed, Arnie.  My initial answer to him started with:

"If you're getting good clean sound at your full enjoyment listening level now, you could just add a small inexpensive amp for heights, like an Emo miniX, as they don't need much power."

post #22734 of 23170
Is there a setting in the 4311's menu that allows for setting the LFE level for different audio formats? I've found when playing the Close to the Edge Blu-ray that the LFE level is lower with PCM when compared to DTS-MA. I looked in the manual and either I'm missing it or there isn't a setting for this.

Bill
post #22735 of 23170

^Bill, perhaps the info at the top L of p87 ?

post #22736 of 23170

My 4311ci was just delivered today. Upgrade from my older AVR-886s. I have to say Denon keeps getting better and better.

 

If anyone has any suggestions as far as settings please let me know. I'll be running 9.1 with Front highs (placed 3 feet up and about 4 feet out from fronts)

 

Wifey loves the new sound said and I quote "That thing just made me realize why people build movie rooms, WOW!"

 

Talldrink

post #22737 of 23170
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Originally Posted by talldrink View Post

My 4311ci was just delivered today. Upgrade from my older AVR-886s. I have to say Denon keeps getting better and better.

If anyone has any suggestions as far as settings please let me know. I'll be running 9.1 with Front highs (placed 3 feet up and about 4 feet out from fronts)

Wifey loves the new sound said and I quote "That thing just made me realize why people build movie rooms, WOW!"

Talldrink

Congratulations. Yes, run the Audyssey XT32 calibration!
post #22738 of 23170
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Originally Posted by talldrink View Post

My 4311ci was just delivered today. Upgrade from my older AVR-886s. I have to say Denon keeps getting better and better.

If anyone has any suggestions as far as settings please let me know. I'll be running 9.1 with Front highs (placed 3 feet up and about 4 feet out from fronts)

Wifey loves the new sound said and I quote "That thing just made me realize why people build movie rooms, WOW!"

Talldrink

http://www.avsforum.com/t/795421/official-audyssey-thread-faq-in-post-51779/51700_100#post_21783025
post #22739 of 23170
^^^
Be sure to download the latest firmware too. Welcome to the club!
post #22740 of 23170
^^^ won't he have to FREE up-grade to use Airplay?
Edited by SanchoPanza - 11/28/13 at 10:28am
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