The "Official" Denon AVR-4311CI/AVR-A100 thread [NO PRICE TALK] - Page 104

4311 arrived tonight via UPS
FedEx scheduled to deliver XPA-5 tomorrow

A busy day ahead setting everything up. Hopefully no blu-rain issues or audio dropouts.

If you look back through these posts several have posted that video convert on is doing something. In my testing I was able replicate the blue rain and a shift in color with video convert on and ip scale off as well as game mode. This is contrary to my experience with the 4810. However, if video convert is off there is no negative impact aside from volume/GUI overlays. I have read of a fw update on the A100 but am not home for a bit(dang job thing)to see if this corrects any of my issues.

Does anyone know if the 4311's IR codes are the same as the 4310's?

I have my 4311 on order and my MX-810 has about 4 devices worth of 4310 codes but no 4311 codes as yet.

Good luck and congrats.... having said that, this thread is out of control on the audio drop out issues. If you read back, a few have had issue with problems other than cable boxes. All the other problems are EDID cable box handshake related. This occurs when you have your cable box set to output in some type of "native" format. so, to actually be helpful..... If you have a drop out problem that occurs from multiple sources, any source otherthan a cable box set at "native", or some other obscure one off solution..... By all means, let us know. Perhaps we can help or at least quickly agree your unit needs to be deep sixed. I try and read this thread often and there are not that many people with audio drops and many don't tell us it's related to a piss poor cable box.

Now, after I mellow a touch. If you want an AVR to work flawlessly with a cable box/Tivo and have the source output native and have no drops. don't buy a Denon AVR. buy something that does not drop. You most likely will never get s firmware update that fixes this long time Denon issue. I know you don't care if it's the Denon or the throw away cable box. Just get something that works with your box.

A nice harmony remote would easily get another $100-$150 from me. However, i did like the shiny face : o ) of the stock remote with the A100. Is the remote with the 4311 and the A100 different?

I started with the 4810 (some inputs have them same code but different names). I'm still hoping for an update from URC this year but it's not necessary.

Thanks for the info.

My reading of the issues suggests that you've had a problem with a TiVo. I don't see anything that suggests there's a generic 4311 + STB problem. I certainly don't have a problem with either of my two very different boxes both of which run in native mode and output everything from 480i to 1080p24 video in 5.1 and 2.0 audio.

People with problems need to methodically assess them because there's no one-size-fits-all solution.

They use the same technology. Having said that ...

The advantage of the SVS AS-EQ1 is that you can use it with any AVR, including one that does not have Audyssey MultEQ. Also, it can do 32 mic positions rather than just 8.

The advantage of the 4311 is that you do the equalization only once for all speakers and subs (with the EQ1, you need to do the eq for the subs and other speakers separately). Furthermore, the 4311 eq speed is incredibly fast!

Mark

No matter how good or what kind of remote a manufacturer supplies as OEM remote for their product, it's also very unlikely that everyone would like it enough to pay a additional $100-$150.

Someone is buying all these Harmony remotes? They sure aren't doing it for cable/sat.

bodosom. It is a hyper documented issue with the TiVo 3 and 4310' 4810' 3310' and others. Just search these threads. Also the same with certain cable boxes. I guess documenting is good but first, if you have an issue search AVS with say, your cable box name, model #, EDID, Denon. You'll get all you need. believe me, my audio drops on the Tivo are old, old, old news.

If you do not believe, ask the guru.... batpig!

And yet not everyone likes the Harmony line of remotes. And yes, you can definitely count me as one who don't! There are other options out their besides what Harmony sells. I have remotes made by both URC and Harmony, and I much prefer the URC way of doing things.

+1

re: the Tivo 3 + Denon native video issues, does this include Tivo HD's and if yes does the 4311 have the DVDO PReP* style capabilities?

*Progressive ReProcessing technology

I alway hear of urc being step behind to add new devices, true or false? What is a decent model reco for use? Would like to spend less tan 500.

Received my replacement 4311 today.. no sure if it will be opened or not.

However, I can confirm an October build date and serial # in the 1600's.

I here ya but I have a URC remote as well. It cost $800 and; get this.... Can only work with Win XP. The vendor went bye bye and I can't get access to new codes. URC refuses to update it to work with Vista or Win 7. In fact, this lack of support is one of the worst examples i have ever experienced in screwing the end customer. It works great and makes sense but it's basically a dated small brick.Luckily it powers my family room system with a Denon 3806 and I don't care much about sound, technology, or anything else. Harmonys are simply more main stream and less expensive. I am not an idiot on this stuff having owned a Color Pronto, URC, and three harmony's. URC support blows.

URC might be a bit slower at updating their DB than Harmony but the Remotes themselves and programming software are light years a head in the quality department!

I can Help with that problem, PM on the way.

Cool. I retract stuff happily with help.

Btw you are correct, URC's support to Joe Public is frankly awful, im just lucky I have a source for their Software.

Step behind, no! Considering that you must also wait for Harmony to add codes to their database, or in some cases that you must even supply them with the codes before they can be added to you Harmony. Where I can directly import Pronto ccf codes and convert them and then the add codes myself without waiting for URC to put them in a database, I can create and program macros to pretty much work anyway I want them to, they also are one of the best when it comes to having discrete codes in their database. So just how is that a step behind?

However be warned!

If you buy a URC from a unauthorized source, that you could very well be left out on your own and hung out to dry as far as getting any updated software or remote codes! URC is absolutely brutal in their stance against unauthorized sellers, and they pretty much enforce it by not allowing buyers who bought from a unauthorized seller any easy way to get the versions of their software that has the Live Update feature enabled.
Also, the URC programming software does not hold your hand like Harmony does. So for some people, there can be a rather steep learning curve before they get comfortable with the URC programming software. But on the other side, the URC software also allows you do much more, and it also gives more freedom and flexibilities than Harmony software does.

But regardless of all that. When it comes to going in a different direction over what is a supplied OEM remote. Then I want the choice to be mine on what optional type of remote to use. And not being forced to pay a additional $150 overall for a product, just so some may get a remote that they might like, when I do not like it or do not want it. Let the manufactures supply their products with OEM remotes for the lowest cost as possible to the end user, and let the end users decide to choose their own ways to go with a better remote.

Unfortunately it looks you are a victim of URC's extremely hard line stance against unauthorized people selling URC remotes. I bought mine authorized, was able to D/L the version of their software w/Live update that also provides software updates along with new codes, and have had no such software issues at all.

Can DenonJeff shed any light regarding the issues seen on both units? Firmware fix or defective units? Jeff?

can someone using two subs give a quick review of Audyssey XT32 dual sub EQ?
it sounds awesome, does it work as advertised?

anyone using dual svs pc13-ultras?

on a properly functioning unit it shouldn't matter; in general you would leave it on to preserve GUI / volume overlay.


well, it has to (by definition) be doing SOME processing if it is overlaying graphics like a volume bar or GUI.... but it should not result in any visible degradation of the image.

don't take the "blue rain" complaints to mean that it is correct to turn video processing off. that is a DEFECT and should not guide decision making for configuring your settings on a properly functioning unit.

this is only true if you are running 11 channels. you have to remember that not everyone is doing that


again this is only in 11ch mode for "amp assign". There are FOUR assignable amp channels; the 5.1 "core" channels are locked in, but the other four channels can power Height + Wide, Height + Zone 2, Zone 2 + Zone 3, Wide + Surr. Back, etc.

OK, but that doesn't really answer my question.



didn't say it was a big deal... but again, not really relevant to the question.

I wasn't passing judgement... my point is to find out if there is something systematic about these video problems.

I've never known any Denon to F up the video pass through, but before we declare it so, people should be a little more rigorous about determining the extent of these problems and hopefully enhance our collective knowledge. Do the people who aren't experiencing any problems note any black level shifts when comparing with a test pattern? And have the people who think they are experiencing a black level shift verified it with test patterns?

In the dedicated Audyssey thread, here is another person with a 4311 who also has the Audyssey Pro kit. And his review of the results after running the Audyssey Pro calibration on his 4311.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...2#post19463312

I think it's probably safe to say, that he gives the addition of running the Audyssey Pro calibration on a 4311, a big thumbs up.