The "Official" Denon AVR-4311CI/AVR-A100 thread [NO PRICE TALK] - Page 21

EE charges shipping on some items and is FREE on others, likely to be FREE on the 4311. Although World Wide Stereo is a new "on-line" authorized Denon vendor, they get good reviews on resellerratings.com. Given the price is the same, IMHO there's no reason to change vendors.

It seems to me WWS has a better return policy should one decide 4311ci has not met his/her expectations. EE seems to take back only unopened items.

^ I feel bad for those who may have to wait, but unexpected "non-covered" dental expenses will likely have me a no-go for a month, so hopefully my financial stars will be aligned by then.

James

Hang in there I think there is more to come out on the 100 IMHO.

I pre-ordered through EE. Good price delivered to my door. Price was competetive. Decided to go with EE because their reputation seems to have been intact for a longer period of time.

I spoke to a regional Denon rep regarding World Wide Stereo. He said that although just recently added as an authorized "e-tailer", they've been an authorized vendor on and off for a number of years. He also added that the 4311's are expected any day in their west coast warehouse so they should be received by eastern US resellers a few days after that.

I was originally interested in the 3311, but with all of the features on this one, along with the analog inputs make the price difference between the 2 receivers worth it as far as future formats are concerned. I just wish we had a more solid release date, otherwise I would definitely be pre-ordering it.

Lets all hope so.. I'd like to be able to see and hear the 4311 so I can make up my mind.

I have found 3 brand new MK MPS-2510P pro series powered speakers. Anyone have an opinion about whether these are likely to sound better, worse or the same as the old M&K MPS-2510P's?

thanks

I believe Crutchfield has the A100 listed as being released on November 1st, 2010... Much too long of a wait for me. It's sort of like buying an anniversary Leica camera... sure its a few thousand more, but at least you get that "neat" anniversary sticker saying it's so.

If people were whispering September 15th release date and it's still not out yet, might make sense for the AVR-4311CI to be released on October 1st. But that's just my intuitive guess (hope). Great part about Crutchfield is the tax free purchases I can make. That's a huge plus at least in my eyes/wallet. Having said that, I have already pre-ordered my Denon AVR-4311CI. It will be driving two Def Tech Mythos ST's, two Def Tech Gem XL's, one Def Tech Mythos Ten and an Epik Empire Sub. Will probably add an additional two Gem XL's in the semi-distant future. I cant wait to have it all hooked up!

You people complaining about the wait are cracking me up. I have a 3311 in my office taunting me to hook it up. But....I got such a great deal on a 4311 preorder I feel I must wait!
If I open the 3311 it will lose...what? 10-15% of its value because it will be considered used?...Ahhhhhhh, the pain the pain...

I say you open it and use it then sell to me for 10% less when you get your spanky new 4311...You would save me from having to explain another onecall box..

Wow...it's rare that one stumbles on a new business idea. I am going to offer a repacking service. You can specify where you want the box to look like it's coming from. Ship the 4311 to me and I'll ship it back to you in, let's say for example, a "Bed Bath and Beyond" box.

I wonder what I could charge? I bet I'd make a few bucks....

I think you're on to something here...

Unfortunately, jewelry stores don't often ship in packaging that large and weighing 50 lbs.

A jewelry box would promote expectations of the contents being revealed. I think you'd be much better off with an Ace Hardware box. That way, it sounds like you're doing something productive, but it invokes little to no interest in the details of what it might be.

Costume jewelry, FTW!

Until your wife takes it to get appraised so she can add it to the insurance.

FYI, just got an update regarding my 4311CI preorder with WWS:

"It is due to ship from our warehouse the second week in October (if not sooner!). "

Sounds like middle of Oct. now :-(

-Tom

me too!
Argh!!! Must resist....opening...3311....

I contacted Denon support last week and asked specifically about where these units were manufactured and what DACs they used. I had to ask twice because they didn't answer first time around. For what it's worth this morning I got the following answer..

" I can confirm that both receivers are manufactured in Japan and both use AK4358B DACs"

To me it looks like the 4311ci and AVR-A100 are identical internally and differ only in feet, gold posts and a certificate.

If this is the indeed the case then I will save myself nearly a thousand dollars and get the 4311.

Given that these units will ship very soon and the ~$1500 price will likely remain as the "real" street price for the 4311. I'll wait until a couple of people have reported back and confirmed the above.

Well, if the person who responded to you is accurate, this is immensely helpful information and I thank you for sharing it! At the risk of bringing up an apparently touchy subject (ahh, what the heck! ), the primary hesitation I had with my 4311 (vs. the A100) preorder was regarding the DAC, especially since Crutchfield listed the AVR-A100 as having multiple 2-channel DACs vs. the 8-channel DAC in the 4311. Obviously many of the prior points about DACs are valid, especially considering the $1000 price differential. However, if it is true that Denon is using the same DACs, then the problem is solved.

I guess I'm still not clear on how an 8-channel DAC will support a >8-channel receiver; perhaps there are two 8-channel DACs in each unit?

I'm tempted to contact Denon myself and see if I get the same answer that you did. Perhaps I will!

Thanks again!
Josh

PS - Am I the only one who actually prefers the brushed metal look of the 4311 to the glossy metal front of the A100?

The 3311 and 991 also use the same DACs as in the 4311. The 991 spec sheet shows 2 DACs/channel or 14 total which would imply that the 4311 would have 18 DACs.

No you are not the only one. I've had a few Pioneer blu-ray players that have driven me crazy for the amount of dust they collect. I'll take brushed metal any day as opposed to glossy metal or glossy plastic.


Willie

How did you preorder it through Amazon? I can't find them listed as a vendor on the 4311 page on Amazon. When I checked WWS's storefront, it doesn't list the 4311 either.

When you order the 4311 at WWStereo there is an option to pay through your Amazon account. That's what I and apparently others here have done. WWS will ship it but your account/credit card at Amazon will be charged but not until it ships.

It's there: http://www.wwstereo.com/website/ecom...duct=AVR4311CI

It would be nice if we could get WWS to have the 4311 shipped directly to us from the Denon warehouse in CA, instead of having it go from the warehouse to PA and then back to CA. I have made an e-mail inquiry to WWS, but am not holding my breath expecting it.

That would be nice. Please post or PM me if they tell you they can do that. Didn't realize the Denon warehouse is here in CA.

I have a 6.2 setup and was wondering if I could bi-amp the Front Left and Right speaker in the 6.2 setup or is that for a two speaker stereo only setup?

Would you really be able to tell the difference between the same speaker with one amp for the tweeter and woofer and one amp for each?