Continuing a rather "hardcore" debate from the Inception BD review thread:
Originally Posted by iontyre
Ok, so a story about a science concept that enhances and creates new opportunities for altering the direction of individuals and society is NOT science fiction? Forget it, you are just WRONG, totally WRONG!
Snobby Inception fan? I did not actually say ANYTHING about how good a movie Inception, I just said it was science fiction, which shows just how clearly you are reading my posts. Enough from you...ridiculous.
You need to slow down, relax, and re-read my posts. Inception is not about
a science fiction concept -- it is not about dreaming
, but it uses
dreaming. Do you understand now? Do you want me to relate Inception to fantastic movies in the Sci-fi genre so that you can understand the differences? There's a difference between a movie being about
something, compared to a movie using
something. To repeat, Inception used
"sci-fi" for it's "dream engineering" theme, but it wasn't about
dream engineering -- it was about a drama/thriller heist, and audiences were only left to think about the story itself without relating the movie to their lives once the credits began. This isn't a bad thing, no, but this defied my expectations, especially of a "sci-fi" movie. Just listen to conversations at the box-office when Inception was over to understand this simple fact.
Quite a great example of a movie both being "about" something and about "using" something is Total Recall -- one of the greatest Sci-fi action movies ever made. In the context of the story, you are always wondering if Quaid was experiencing reality or a memory implant. However, Total Recall is still grounded enough in reality to where one also would think about memory implants, what they would be like, what trip that you may perhaps be interested in, what it would cost, and the possible harm that it could do. Many things to think about for engaging sci-fi concepts in Total Recall -- from the memory alteration theme right down to the gadgets that were used all throughout the film.
Blade Runner was about memories, technology, and emotion both in the context of the story (is Deckard a replicant?) and also for extrapolation -- what if technology allows us to make replicants? How would they affect our society? Would they begin to develop feelings on their own? What about emotions? Yadda yadda.
What about Westworld? Well yes, it's about an adult theme park in which you could "do anything as you wish". However, this also allows for extrapolation. What if we had a theme park like this? How would we make sure that it's safe for human use? Would it even be possible? How much would it cost? Would you use loaded guns for the robots? Would it decrease the fidelity? What about robot sex? How would you monitor the safety of visitors? Tons more as well.
Now Inception. Well...Inception involved a brilliant heist using a sci-fi concept. That is all I can say about it, after seeing it twice. It's self-contained to make you think about what really has happened in the concept of it's own story
, but it isn't one damn bit relatable to any engaging concepts that could be extrapolated or make me ponder about when I left the cinema. In relation to "The Matrix" when I saw this when I was a teenager, my mind was completely blown. I actually thought that I was living in a Matrix-like artificial world, and I felt invincible for a short time (don't worry, I didn't do anything stupid) upon leaving the cinema. When I left the cinema for Inception, I began thinking the same things that every other person starting thinking about -- How long was Cobb in Limbo, was the ending real, was Cobb's wife alive, etc. See, I was just thinking about the movie in context of it's own story -- and this is what I'm trying to get at here. Inception used this concept, it wasn't "about" the concept. After I thought about it for 5 minutes, that's all the "lasting" interest that I had in it. I had to sit in a car with "Inception fans" for about 30 minutes, and be forced to hear them talk about the story for much too long, while I had to throw on my iPod because I was beginning to get overly annoyed.
You don't have to say anything positive about Inception for you to be a snobby fan. You just have had to have been responding to me the way you have been
Lay off the caps for emphasis, and first realize that I just may be correct before your next reply, or that there could just be different interpretations of what this movie actually is, and I'd pretty damn sure that calling it a "sci-fi" movie is denoting very poor diagnostisticity.