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post #1 of 27
9/8/10 at 11:15pm
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I love NFL Football over the air on my Samsung 52in HDTV but I greatly prefer our radio announcers that cover the game and am looking for a way to sync them up.

Currently the broadcast picture is about 4-5 seconds ahead of the Broadcast Television.

Is anyone aware of a device that could I could output from the tuner of my TV (or a separate tuner) and then have an adjustable Video delay so I could get them close.

It would need to be adjustable because the delay isn't always the same amount of time.

Thanks for any creative ideas.
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post #2 of 27
9/9/10 at 7:17am
The only way I can think of would be a DVR. Since you are OTA that pretty much means a home theater PC, Tivo, or Moxi.
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post #3 of 27
9/9/10 at 8:27am
ChannelMaster OTA DVR can delay the video.
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Channel-Ma...D-DVR/13968952
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post #4 of 27
9/9/10 at 11:02am
Are you sure that you want to delay the VIDEO? Every mpeg compressor I have seen delays the video in relation to a "live" radio feed. There are several audio delay boxes out there that would delay the radio audio to match the video...
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post #5 of 27
9/9/10 at 12:40pm
I agree with Mizzou....99% of the time, the video feed is behind the radio feed.
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post #6 of 27
9/9/10 at 2:40pm
Thread Starter 
With the live boradcast TV the Radio is what is behind the TV by several seconds (averageing 5-7 seconds)

I think its my local station broadcasts everything with a delay.

If I was watching the cable feed (which with my uverse is so compressed that it signifigantly denegrates picture quality) you would be right. That may be the comprimise I have to go with to get the radio announcers matched up. I'd consider audio delay devices as well and have a separate audio tuner I could put in line with a delay device for this purpose to feed into the home theather reciever.

Thanks
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post #7 of 27
9/9/10 at 6:05pm
Although you may not like the on air talent, at least with OTA audio you get DD5.1. With radio, it will either be stereo or mono.
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post #8 of 27
9/9/10 at 6:39pm
You need to make sure that your TV is not introducing an video lag by enabling motion compensation options and by not using game mode.
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post #9 of 27
9/10/10 at 7:52am
He wants more video lag, not less.

Apparently the radio station he wants is using a delay box, most likely to give them the ability to "bleep" obscenity...
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post #10 of 27
9/10/10 at 9:32am
As others have stated, a DVR can easily delay video. It may take a time or two, but you could match it up. I know my Comcast DVR delays the video/sound a full second or two with no fiddling at all. Pausing it would make it more of a delay, obviously.
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post #11 of 27
9/10/10 at 2:07pm
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Originally Posted by charliebeagledog View Post

With the live boradcast TV the Radio is what is behind the TV by several seconds (averageing 5-7 seconds)

I think its my local station broadcasts everything with a delay.

Highly likely if your station uses HD Radio. A station typically delays the analog audio to compensate for the digital-to-analog conversion so that listeners with an HD radio (both of them) have synchronized programming should the digital radio fall back to analog. Or vice versa. Add to that the profanity delay that most of us have and - in a lot of cases - you could be talking about a delay of around 20 seconds.

That said, a lot of sports stations will drop the profanity and compensating delays during home games to accommodate the fans in the stands. Not all do and those that do "get it right" do so with mixed results. Thing is, with a strictly analog delivery (which makes it instantaneous), the radio runs way ahead of even local television thanks to ITS analog-to-digital conversion.

As for away games, with ISDN lines for radio and satellite bounces for television, the hope of getting easy synchronization is a lost one.
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post #12 of 27
9/14/10 at 1:07pm
I go to USC Trojan football games. Many of those around me previously listened to the play by play of the game on the radio. In the last year or so all of the radio stations introduced a delay. Now listening to the radio broadcast of the game is no longer practical while you are watching the game in person. Sometimes technology sucks.

Rick R
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post #13 of 27
9/14/10 at 5:43pm
All of the broadcast stations have had to add profanity delay time in order to prevent the FCC from imposiing large fines on them.
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post #14 of 27
9/15/10 at 2:23am
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Originally Posted by walford View Post

All of the broadcast stations have had to add profanity delay time in order to prevent the FCC from imposiing large fines on them.

Not true. We don't HAVE to add a profanity delay. But if we don't have one and something DOES go out over the air, it's a lot harder to argue that we took every precaution. There's no action from the FCC if a broadcaster doesn't have a profanity delay.
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post #15 of 27
9/15/10 at 7:20am
I'm confused. Are you saying that if a broadcast contains profanity that the FCC will never fine them in any way and that profanity delays are therefore stictly voluntary?
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post #16 of 27
9/15/10 at 7:32am
Delay is like a condom for a broadcaster. You don't get fined for not having one, but if something comes out, you pay the penalty.
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post #17 of 27
9/15/10 at 8:29am
Ratman..

Well put.

And every event is treated differently. It all depends on the profanity, the market, the time of day, the circumstances.. you name it. Reading tea leaves is more accurate than predicting how the FCC is going to handle a complaint. Which is why "better safe than sorry" is the rule of the day. If it inconveniences a couple dozen people at a stadium, or a few who try to synch up radio and TV broadcasts, then so be it.
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post #18 of 27
9/15/10 at 9:14am
Perhaps an audio/video delay would have lessened the impact of the Janet Jackson Superbowl "event".
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post #19 of 27
9/18/11 at 1:54pm
Thread Starter 
I love the quality of broadcast HD TV for NFL football but need to find a way to have an adjustable delay.

the local radio broadcast is an average of 5 seconds behind live TV. After another week of putting up with horrible Fox announcers I thought I'd put this out there again..

I'm looking for an adjustable delay for Broadcast picture to let the delayed audio match up. But this delay is not always constant it can vary by a couple of seconds from week to week so I would want an ability to vary it. I'm going to try with my Uverse dvr box but I hate what it does to the picture.

Are there any new suggestions?

and what will the previously mentioned suggestions do to the picture quality of the HD broadcast?

As a frustrated football I thank you for your ideas in advance!!
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post #20 of 27
9/18/11 at 2:45pm
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Originally Posted by charliebeagledog View Post

I love the quality of broadcast HD TV for NFL football but need to find a way to have an adjustable delay.
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I'm going to try with my Uverse dvr box but I hate what it does to the picture.
....and what will the previously mentioned suggestions do to the picture quality of the HD broadcast?

As previously mentioned a DVR is the easiest way to delay your broadcast but I don't know what you mean about "I hate what it does to the picture" If your DVR is HD is shouldn't effect the picture in anyway...
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post #21 of 27
9/18/11 at 2:46pm
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Originally Posted by charliebeagledog View Post

I love the quality of broadcast HD TV for NFL football but need to find a way to have an adjustable delay.

the local radio broadcast is an average of 5 seconds behind live TV. After another week of putting up with horrible Fox announcers I thought I'd put this out there again..

I'm looking for an adjustable delay for Broadcast picture to let the delayed audio match up. But this delay is not always constant it can vary by a couple of seconds from week to week so I would want an ability to vary it. I'm going to try with my Uverse dvr box but I hate what it does to the picture.

Are there any new suggestions?

and what will the previously mentioned suggestions do to the picture quality of the HD broadcast?

As a frustrated football I thank you for your ideas in advance!!

It may be a pain but I used to pause my dvr for a few seconds to allow the radio announcers to catch up. Then just make tiny adjustments until it was close enough to enjoy. Not the easiest solution but might get you through in a pinch.

Edit: sorry, I see that this suggestion was already mentioned earlier in thread.
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post #22 of 27
9/19/11 at 10:32am
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Originally Posted by charliebeagledog View Post

Are there any new suggestions?

Not really. Though there may be a couple new DVRs on the market. Channel Master's, for example. It's really not hard to do. I have to bump mine so that the in-car NASCAR cameras (which I get from DirecTV) match the main race video (which I'm watching via cable or OTA). Just pause a couple seconds and you're good to go.

For football, wait 'till you see something like a kick and pause until you hear the kick on the radio, then press play. Should be sync'd close enough.
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post #23 of 27
9/19/11 at 1:37pm
If you are watching OTA - then a USB ATSC tuner stick and a PC might also be a solution (with Win 7 Media Center) - particularly if you have a PC with an HDMI or VGA output.
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post #24 of 27
9/20/11 at 10:24pm
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the uverse hd dvr in my cable box bastardizes the picture compared to OTA.

So I like to watch OTA because it is soooo much better than cable

So maybe i need to bite the bullet and buy a HD DVR. Any suggestions on which might offer me the best opportunity to do this with decent picture quality without breaking the bank?

sneals I do have a very good laptop 2nd gen I-5 processor and hdmi...I'm not sure what your'e getting at and need someone to lay it out for me in a little more detail.


Thanks again
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post #25 of 27
9/21/11 at 9:06am
Win 7 Home Premium comes with Windows 7 Media Center built in. If you add a USB Digital TV tuner, and connect this to your antenna, you can receive OTA on your PC, schedule recordings, and live pause.

If your laptop and screen have compatible inputs and outputs you can connect your laptop to your screen. (i.e. if your laptop and TV both have HDMI - you should be able to connect them this way)

You might want to buy a USB IR remote to control it.
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post #26 of 27
9/21/11 at 4:01pm
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Originally Posted by charliebeagledog View Post

...the uverse hd dvr in my cable box bastardizes the picture compared to OTA.

So I like to watch OTA because it is soooo much better than cable...

Gotcha, I suspect it isn't so much your uverse dvr but rather your uverse service which must be compressing your locals, etc.
As sneals2000 said, something you hook to your laptop or PC would be your cheapest alternative. Otherwise for HD OTA DVRs you could check out this somewhat outdated chart, or this AVS forum. An OTA standalone DVR is probably going to cost you a min. $300 so something you hook to your PC will be much cheaper.
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post #27 of 27
9/25/11 at 11:49am
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You are correct it is in the horrible compression of the ota signals coming from uverse not necessarily the dvr itself (but don't get me started on the crappy motorola cable boxes that uverse uses with a known defect in the chipset causing problems with the audio on HDMI).


I own a refurb magnavox 2160 but its not HD.

The laptop has hdmi and we've watched stuff through media player before.

I am going to pursue the usb digital tuner for the laptop...i wonder if they make it as an internal card i could add and still have remote control. Monoprice has one with a remote that seems like a cheap way to start at least.

This week I got lucky as because of baseball obligations they broadcast the game on from and it was matched perfectly!!

again I really appreciate all the great ideas and suggestions... really need to make this happen. last week the announcers were so bad that I couldn't take it anymore and went with mute as a better choice.
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