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What's wrong with projecting onto a properly prepared and painted wall?

post #1 of 41
Thread Starter 
Sorry if this is a dumb question but I've spent the last 2 hours searching and still cannot find the answer.

There are some advantages to projecting onto a bare wall that appeal to me.

1. A slightly greater throw distance which means a slightly larger picture.

2. Screens tend to be unsightly unless they're the kinds that totally disappear into the ceiling.

3. Other than using Goo paint, projecting onto a bare wall is a cheaper solution than a screen.

Since I haven't found any detailed discussions about how to properly prepare a bare wall and since most paint discussions seem to be about painting screens, I sorta suspect that projecting onto a bare wall must have some serious drawbacks.

I appreciate any guidance anyone may offer and again, sorry if this is a profoundly stupid question but I promise to never ask it again.

TIA
post #2 of 41
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Originally Posted by Fritzolio View Post

Sorry if this is a dumb question

It's not a dumb question, and IMO projecting onto a blank wall (vs. buying a fixed-size screen) has alot going for it, primarily that you're completely free to size your images, and simple curtains can serve to "frame" your images as you see fit.

The down side of using your wall is that it may not be perfectly flat, though if any abnormalities exist they will be obvious to you (or not) when looking at some projected images.

The best way to approach this IMHO is to select your projector first, with distances and sizes of projected images clearly in mind, and start looking. The first night you watch a movie (assuming you are a FP newbie?) you will be thrilled-and-bedazzled, and wonder why it took you so long to go FP! Over time you will decide whether the setup meets your needs, or if you need to either buy fancy paint or put-up a pricey screen.
post #3 of 41
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the reply. Makes sense.

I've just purchased my second projector, an Optima HD20. I also own a Acer PH 530 which is in the bedroom. I'm using a manual pull down screen with it and it's a pain. Due to the configuration, i have to raise it when I'm finished with it (it blocks 2 doors). In the living room where the Optima is going to go I could leave it down all the time but then it would be unsightly when not being used. Currently the wall is painted a light green but I'm planning on getting some Silverscreen or some other paint that works well and paint the entire wall I'm projecting onto. I'll end up with a 120" picture. The wall is pretty close to perfect. i just have to putty and sand a couple of holes. But as you said, if it doesn't work to my satisfaction, i can always get a screen later on.

Thanks
post #4 of 41
Well SilverScreen ain't bad...but you have other options that can/will improve on that a Tad Bit.

Where are you located/ with that info I can source some affordable Paints that will take your "Wall" to the next level.

Also, how you correct those few blemishes will determine if the Coating you apply later will cover them equally as well as the rest of the wall.

My best advice at this point....lose the mind think "if it doesn't work out....", because if you follow some simple advice and instructions to the "T"...and don't rush out / into anything before you ask for advice or check on procedures, your chances of completing a "Wall Screen" that will perform better....and look better than anyone else's screen will rise to 98%.

Don't ask about the other 2% though.......
post #5 of 41
Thread Starter 
I'm in south Georgia, the Savannah area.

Just went to Lowes and bought a gallon of the Olympic brand equivalent of Silverscreen (took the paint code with me). It was less than 10 bucks for a gallon of it so if there's something better it's no great loss if I don't end up using it.

I don't have much control over the lighting of this room. I do plan to buy some blackout curtains to cover the windows and door to the outside. But the door to the kitchen and the one into the Fourier are a problem. After I get everything set up, I'll tackle those problems. Gonna get the wall painted this weekend. The ceiling mount is due to arrive Monday. After I get it mounted I'll be able to tell which way I need to go with the details like lighting. I figure with the amount of light in the room, gray is the color to go with.
post #6 of 41
Get a New, Clean Gallon can

Pour 1/2 of the SS into it.

Add 1 Quart of MinWax Water based Polyurethane (Satin-Clear) -@ Lowes-

Add 24 Oz (3 bottles) of Delta CeramCoat White Pearl Finish ( @ Michaels Arts & Crafts)

Stir on slow speed with Squirell Mixer ( @ Lowes or Home Depot)
http://squirrelmixer.com/
(...best Mixing tool in the entire Cosmos....)

That mix will be on the order of a full Light Year better than the straight SS....and look better under room lighting as well..
post #7 of 41
Thread Starter 
I'm on it. Thank you, sir.
post #8 of 41
Thread Starter 
Would you happen to have a product number for the Delta CeramCoat White Pearl Finish ?
Can't seem to find that particular one on line.

Thanks
post #9 of 41
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Originally Posted by Fritzolio View Post

Would you happen to have a product number for the Delta CeramCoat White Pearl Finish ?
Can't seem to find that particular one on line.

Thanks

But of course!

#02601

In reality, I've mostly switched to using Dutch Boy "Pearl Luster" and "Silver Lining" paints, but those only come in Gallon size @ $36.00 per so they are not effective choices for anyone who does not use a butt load of paint. Me? I keep my butt loaded all the time.


Did I just say that?
post #10 of 41
Thread Starter 
Thanks. That was painful.

Finally found it at amazon Market Place. Cost me $25 and change for 3 8oz. bottles. Over $10 of that was shipping. But that's still better than driving all the way to the nearest Michael's only find that they don't carry that particular color.

Will pic up the rest of the stuff at Lowes and Home Depot.
post #11 of 41
Thread Starter 
Got one more question if I may.

I'd like to frame the projection area by painting the rest of the wall (and maybe even the rest of the room) a dark color. Black is the obvious color buy not really suitable unless you're a Goth. I was thinking about going with a dark Navy Blue. I'm thinking that with the lights out it will look black anyway. Also, would a semi gloss work or should I go with a flat?

TIA

btw: I've got the wall primed and last night I temporarily hooked up the projector and had it sitting on a step ladder while we watched "King Kong". It was an awesome experience and even with just primer on the wall, there were zero wall defects visible. And I was looking hard for them. Can't wait to get the actual screen paint on it.
post #12 of 41
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Originally Posted by Fritzolio View Post

I was thinking about going with a dark Navy Blue.

To each his own, but... ugh. Ours is sort of a grey-green. No gloss! Satin perhaps, but no gloss.

Our theater room
post #13 of 41
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Originally Posted by Fritzolio View Post

Got one more question if I may.

I'd like to frame the projection area by painting the rest of the wall (and maybe even the rest of the room) a dark color. Black is the obvious color buy not really suitable unless you're a Goth. I was thinking about going with a dark Navy Blue. I'm thinking that with the lights out it will look black anyway. Also, would a semi gloss work or should I go with a flat?


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Originally Posted by Laserfan View Post

To each his own, but... ugh. Ours is sort of a grey-green. No gloss! Satin perhaps, but no gloss.

Our theater room

Laserfan is giving good advice.

A Dark Blue in a Flat (...'cause it's a gotta be Flat...) is pretty droll....it can actually be very unattractive. Blue was meant to shine, at least a bit, and any degree of "shine" in a Home Theater can be seriously detrimental.

That "Greenish-Gray" suggestion is excellent. I've personally done several Theaters using variations on the Glidden Color Card that contains "Misty Evening"....and those Grays have some small degree of Green within it.

Here are the Color codes for the most attractive;

Walls..... Moon Rock 10BG 38/069

Ceiling... Seahawk 10BG 21/087

Paint your Base and Door/Window Trim with Seahawk. Basically, the normal Color Scheme is reversed, with the ceiling being the Darker shade and the Walls lighter, with Trim Dark for base relief.

Browns can be good too, but tend to be depressing to some in thier "earthy-ness".

Another suggestion is a deep...dark Russet Red on the walls, and a very Dark Gray ceiling.

A last note. Of all the colors, the Green/Grays are in my mind the best because when the lights go up they show a "cool-toned" color...a pleasing thing for the Estrogen Set. Blue...so dark you can't tell it's blue, should be a ceiling only consideration (...in Flat...) but it's also a color that when done in Flat looks more "dusty" than something with color. Ditto on Flat Black, one of the pug-ugliest choices ever.

Oh yeah, do yourself a big favor and roll on at least one coat of tinted primer, tinted about 1/2 the depth of the shade used. Coverage with the finish coats will come infinitely more easier and be more even.
post #14 of 41
Thread Starter 
Whew, thanks. I have a can of semi gloss dark blue in the garage and was gonna use it but not now.

Who makes the Moon rock and Seahawk?

btw: The CeramCoat Pearl clear is on the way and should be here by the end of the week.

I had a helluva time finding it. If anyone else is looking, here it is.

http://www.stuff4painting.com/pearl-...800m-2601.html
post #15 of 41
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Originally Posted by Fritzolio View Post

Whew, thanks. I have a can of semi gloss dark blue in the garage and was gonna use it but not now.

Who makes the Moon rock and Seahawk?

They are "Glidden" colors and are on the same Tint Card as Misty Evening. But with he Color Codexs provided, you can get those colors mixed anywhere, in any Base.
post #16 of 41
Thread Starter 
Thanks.

You do know that my main area of concern is the framing of the actual screen area, right? I assumed this needed to be as dark as possible. I've seen pics of similar setups and they have all tended to be black (or appeared so anyways). I just want it to look good when all is said and done.

Thanks for all the help.
post #17 of 41
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Originally Posted by Fritzolio View Post

Thanks.

You do know that my main area of concern is the framing of the actual screen area, right? I assumed this needed to be as dark as possible. I've seen pics of similar setups and they have all tended to be black (or appeared so anyways). I just want it to look good when all is said and done.

Thanks for all the help.

Once you Paint that wall and set the PJ in place so the image is where you want it, marking /masking off the area and then installing an actual border is simple. But I was under the impression this was to be an image projected onto the wall with no confining border....???
post #18 of 41
Whenever you end up doing the painting, I'd love to see pictures. I'm about to make the jump from an unprepared wall (with off-white paint) to a screen, and just want to see if I'd be happier with a painted wall.
post #19 of 41
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Originally Posted by NateGr8 View Post

Whenever you end up doing the painting, I'd love to see pictures. I'm about to make the jump from an unprepared wall (with off-white paint) to a screen, and just want to see if I'd be happier with a painted wall.

Yea, I'll post pics when I'm done. I have all the ingredients for the paint thanks to MississippiMan and will be painting the wall no later than this weekend.

I do plan to frame the screen area. Even if the screen paint looks good, it's a major hassle and expense to do the whole room. I may, however, paint the entire projection wall and see how it meshes with the rest of the room. The current paint color is a light green.

I have no doubt the this is going to work out great. Last weekend we watched King Kong projected onto the primed wall and it looked awesome.
post #20 of 41
Watch me do drywall work.

You'll know everything that's wrong with using a painted wall.

(Though... we'll miss out on the properly prepared part.)
post #21 of 41
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Brian Hampton View Post

Watch me do drywall work.

You'll know everything that's wrong with using a painted wall.

(Though... we'll miss out on the properly prepared part.)


Well, as I said, I did a test run on the primed wall and there were zero visible flaws. And I really looked hard for them. If the wall is in crappy condition, like what you end up with when yo remove old wallpaper, then you'd have a problem making this work. But for virgin sheetrock that was properly installed, it is very doable.
post #22 of 41
I thought I would chime in...

I am a complete noob (to drywall, to painting rooms, to projectors) and I was able to prepare and paint a wall with great results (I even painted the rest of the walls and ceiling as well as hiding wires behind walls but that's another forum).

I had an 84" screen I bought with the projector but once I got the pj up, 84" was too small compared to the size of the image on the screen behind it.
So I read all sorts of stuff on this site and decided to prepare and paint the wall. This included sanding, applying drywall (to show you how new I am to all this, I had to google to figure out if joint compound was the same as mud lol). Sanding then using a paint sprayer to apply the screen paint.
I finished it off with a self adhesive velvet border (which I recommend).

Now I wouldn't go back to anything other than a projector and am very happy with using the wall.

(note: this is in a new house so the wall was already in excellent shape. I probably would have gone a different route instead of trying to fix the wall.)
post #23 of 41
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Originally Posted by Fritzolio View Post

I have no doubt the this is going to work out great. Last weekend we watched King Kong projected onto the primed wall and it looked awesome.

Be advised that flaws that will not show on a Flat white wall can and will pop out when a high contrast paint is applied. To be absolutely certain, apply a coat of light Gray tinted primer and then observe. If there are no defects then...your Golden.
post #24 of 41
I live in the Sav area to, lol. I have a BW screen/wall. Both my screen and wall paints are close in color. And unless the lights are on you can't tell. Had the drywall guy pay close attention to the screen wall, came out perfect. no border or anything, I like it that way. I don't notice the different aspect ratios while watching. good luck and enjoy your pj.
post #25 of 41
Thread Starter 
Finally got the screen painted on the wall and it's absolutely awesome. Still no defects to be seen.

Now I have to find some light blocking curtains. I thought that blackout curtains was what I'm looking for but after doing some on line searching, I'm not so sure. None of the ones I've found say anything about blocking light. They all say they insulate and block out heat and cold. Ideally, I'd like curtains that are totally light proof, i.e. they pass no light whatsoever. Do such curtains exist and what are they called?

TIA
post #26 of 41
Blackout cloth will insulate as well as Blackout light.. they are what you are looking for.
post #27 of 41
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by airscapes View Post

Blackout cloth will insulate as well as Blackout light.. they are what you are looking for.

Thanks.
post #28 of 41
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Originally Posted by Fritzolio View Post

Finally got the screen painted on the wall and it's absolutely awesome. Still no defects to be seen.

Now I have to find some light blocking curtains. I thought that blackout curtains was what I'm looking for but after doing some on line searching, I'm not so sure. None of the ones I've found say anything about blocking light. They all say they insulate and block out heat and cold. Ideally, I'd like curtains that are totally light proof, i.e. they pass no light whatsoever. Do such curtains exist and what are they called?

TIA

Believe it or not, good 'ol Walmart carries pre-cut Curtain Liners that are specifically made from true "Black Out Cloth materials. Just look for the criteria you want marked on the package. (light blockage + Heat/cold)
post #29 of 41
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Originally Posted by MississippiMan View Post

Well SilverScreen ain't bad...but you have other options that can/will improve on that a Tad Bit.

Where are you located/ with that info I can source some affordable Paints that will take your "Wall" to the next level.

I am finishing my newly installed walls now. I just finished one coat of kilz2 and doing second coat tonight after I sand.

While I was at HD, I ended up buying a gallon of the premium plus ultra in silverscreen. I live in Columbus, Ohio. If you say that I should go with something that will work better and look better, I am open to change and value your opinion. I still have time since my 8350 wont be in for a few days.

Whatever is going to give me the best "pop" and brightest picture for football is all I care about, movies are irrelevant lol
post #30 of 41
i used plain painted light colored white almost matte white for the longest time until i did my build.
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