Lava subs - Page 38

Originally Posted by Pegnderek

Hi,

How long does Lava take to ship? I ordered on Monday and received an order confirmation right away, probably automated. At this point still no tracking number. I sent a request for the status yesterday, but no response. Any one else have the "Peggy" issue?

Derek

Originally Posted by lavasubs

Derek,

I had them send you and email with your tracking information so you will have that in your inbox.

Peggy/Eric

Originally Posted by Love2Listen

I mentioned before that I was wondering what accounted for the weight difference between the Lava LSP12 Subwoofer and the Bic PL-200. It turns out that the weight difference might be fairly significant.

The driver (I would call it the speaker) in the Lava LSP12 weighs in at 14.5 pounds while the Bic PL-200 only weighs 7.25 pounds. From a weight perspective, the Lava is twice the Bic.

Is bigger better?

It seems to me that this is an important difference. Does anyone else have an opinion?

Originally Posted by Pegnderek

Hi Eric,

Thanks, I am glad you follow this thread. Per UPS it is in Chicago, half way to the East Coast.

Regards,

Derek

Originally Posted by jdsouthpaw

New to the forum, and I just received my LSP12 a few days ago. It is replacing a 5 year old Velo DPS12. To me the Lava seems to have slightly less extension than my Velo did with both ports open. I did however plug one of the two ports and it seems to now dig just as deep as my old Velo did and only loses a slight amount of max output. I can feel the bass much more with the port plugged and only get slight chuffing when I turn my Pioneer Elite to MV -10. Very happy with this sub for only $287 sounding as good as my previous ~$580 Velo did. Bravo Lava Subs!!!

Originally Posted by Cason

I sent them a message this morning and asked. After I sent it, I tried out the website and when you select (2) 10" you get the $399 and change price. I'll still need to request the 15% off code if I decide to pull the trigger..which I'll probably do. I really want the Rhythmic Audio FV12, but this is an unplanned expense and I want to keep the price down. To be honest, I feel pretty certain these two 10" will be better than my old single 15" so I should be satisfied. The wife complained about the old one and I don't need the additional pain of significantly more output.

Originally Posted by Love2Listen

As I mentioned before, I purchased both the Lava LSP12 and the Bic PL-200 to try to determine which was the better budget subwoofer. I have posted some of the physical differences between the two. Those differences are perhaps not as meaningful as the difference in sound. It is difficult for me to give anything but my opinion when it comes to the difference in sound. My opinion is that the Lava LSP12 is by far the better sounding sub. Perhaps my opinion is colored by the fact that the driver on the Lava is roughly twice the size, but my experience is that the size matters when it comes to the sound in this case. The two subs look the same when it comes to specifications, but when you open the boxes and then plug them in, the differences become obvious. I have to say that for roughly the same price, it is a fairly easy choice to pick the Lava LSP12 over the Bic PL-200. It just seems to me to be the all-around better subwoofer. I'm happy to provide something more definitive than my opinion if someone has specific questions. My capabilities are limited when compared with most others on this forum, but I'm happy to do what I can.

Originally Posted by Love2Listen

As I mentioned before, I purchased both the Lava LSP12 and the Bic PL-200 to try to determine which was the better budget subwoofer. I have posted some of the physical differences between the two. Those differences are perhaps not as meaningful as the difference in sound. It is difficult for me to give anything but my opinion when it comes to the difference in sound. My opinion is that the Lava LSP12 is by far the better sounding sub. Perhaps my opinion is colored by the fact that the driver on the Lava is roughly twice the size, but my experience is that the size matters when it comes to the sound in this case. The two subs look the same when it comes to specifications, but when you open the boxes and then plug them in, the differences become obvious. I have to say that for roughly the same price, it is a fairly easy choice to pick the Lava LSP12 over the Bic PL-200. It just seems to me to be the all-around better subwoofer. I'm happy to provide something more definitive than my opinion if someone has specific questions. My capabilities are limited when compared with most others on this forum, but I'm happy to do what I can.

Originally Posted by Splicer010

I got tossed out of another thread about the Bic because I stated it really wasn't as good as everyone seems to believe it is. The problem there was that the lies were running rampant with people saying they had LOTS of experience with subs and the Bic was the shiz-nit of "econo" subs. All I was doing was telling them a comperable BETTER sub for LESS money and how to DIY the Bic to make it sound better and consequently got booted.

Your conclusions have completely matched mine when it came to the Bic and proves my point that people just don't know what they are listening to. They think if it goes 'boom' or 'bump' and loudly, that's all there is to it and there is soooo much more to it than that. Alot of people mistake distortion for 'loud' and simply put, they don't know what the hell they are talking about.

I respect your input and 'science' as well as your own personal observations and just goes to show EXACTLY what I have been saying for decades now; "it doesn't matter what the numbers on paper say, that's just a bunch of numbers on paper. What Matters is how does it sound to YOU in YOUR environment that matters. Because I guaran-damn-tee you that those ARE NOT the same numbers in your home while watching a movie or listening to music."

Now this is not to say Lava is top of the line, but for what it is and the cost, it is a pretty damn good sub that can easily hold its own. At the price point it's at, it is hard to beat for the quality of sound from other similarily priced subs. Bravo Lava, Bravo...

Originally Posted by Love2Listen

As I mentioned before, I purchased both the Lava LSP12 and the Bic PL-200 to try to determine which was the better budget subwoofer. I have posted some of the physical differences between the two. Those differences are perhaps not as meaningful as the difference in sound. It is difficult for me to give anything but my opinion when it comes to the difference in sound. My opinion is that the Lava LSP12 is by far the better sounding sub. Perhaps my opinion is colored by the fact that the driver on the Lava is roughly twice the size, but my experience is that the size matters when it comes to the sound in this case. The two subs look the same when it comes to specifications, but when you open the boxes and then plug them in, the differences become obvious. I have to say that for roughly the same price, it is a fairly easy choice to pick the Lava LSP12 over the Bic PL-200. It just seems to me to be the all-around better subwoofer. I'm happy to provide something more definitive than my opinion if someone has specific questions. My capabilities are limited when compared with most others on this forum, but I'm happy to do what I can.

Originally Posted by Splicer010

I got tossed out of another thread about the Bic because I stated it really wasn't as good as everyone seems to believe it is. The problem there was that the lies were running rampant with people saying they had LOTS of experience with subs and the Bic was the shiz-nit of "econo" subs. All I was doing was telling them a comperable BETTER sub for LESS money and how to DIY the Bic to make it sound better and consequently got booted.

Your conclusions have completely matched mine when it came to the Bic and proves my point that people just don't know what they are listening to. They think if it goes 'boom' or 'bump' and loudly, that's all there is to it and there is soooo much more to it than that. Alot of people mistake distortion for 'loud' and simply put, they don't know what the hell they are talking about.

I respect your input and 'science' as well as your own personal observations and just goes to show EXACTLY what I have been saying for decades now; "it doesn't matter what the numbers on paper say, that's just a bunch of numbers on paper. What Matters is how does it sound to YOU in YOUR environment that matters. Because I guaran-damn-tee you that those ARE NOT the same numbers in your home while watching a movie or listening to music."

Now this is not to say Lava is top of the line, but for what it is and the cost, it is a pretty damn good sub that can easily hold its own. At the price point it's at, it is hard to beat for the quality of sound from other similarily priced subs. Bravo Lava, Bravo...

Originally Posted by crazyrob425

Would love a frequency chart comparison.

Which subwoofer can dipp lower in performance/frequency range?

Originally Posted by kesando

My money would be on the BIC from what I've read on different boards

Originally Posted by wwinkler

www.data-bass.com has begun some very strong amateur reviews of subwoofers. They supposedly have completed a review of the PL-200 and several other 'inexpensive' subwoofers and are in the process of putting together reviews on their web page.

http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/s...sp12-subwoofer - Lava LSP-12 - drops off substantially below 35 Hz

One individual in the PL-200 forum, with exceptional room loading and playing test tones, was able to get output at 23 Hz. At least two individuals in the PL-200 forum have upgraded to subwoofers such as the Hsu STF-2 (or above) because they (strongly) felt that the PL-200 was not sufficiently musical.

Originally Posted by brandini

The PL-200 is not musical. I wonder if a new driver would help that...

Originally Posted by kesando

The Lava really is a good budget sub. After being spoiled by my SVS subs, I can't help but be impressed by the performance of the LSP12. It may not dig down below 20hz or have the most SPL, but what I can do from 30hz and up it does well with minimal port noise or distortion. It's sounds pretty damn good with music too.

In the end what really made me choose the Lava over the BIC was customer service. I had comfort in knowing that I was dealing directly with the company instead of "Mike" from sound distributors or amazon or some other store front. Also I was turned off by the issues with disconnected drivers and subs not being in stock. I know every company has its issues at some point, Lava just seemed like a safer choice at the time.