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post #1261 of 1392
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Originally Posted by spyboy View Post

The review in Audioholics found here:

http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/s...sp12-subwoofer

both discusses and has pictures of the driver, box, and amp. The review is also a little shocking stating that the tuning frequency of the LSP-12 is 44Hz and that output below 35Hz is rather limited.

What this highlights is that subjective observations about this sub, (and others), is that listeners may be impressed despite a very mediocre showing when the sub is professionally tested and measurements of low frequency output are graphed.

The LSP-12 simply can't reproduce the bottom octave, 12.5 Hz - 25 Hz, and is still very limited all the way up to 35 Hz.

Also interesting is that the reviewer recommended the Emotive Ultra 12 to those who want significantly greater output under 35 Hz. At the current price of $379 delivered, the Ultra 12 is worth the difference in price.

I can vouch for this. Above 30-35hz in room, the Lava is a great sounding sub with both music and movies but is no match for the larger more expensive ported subs from HSU,SVS,Outlaw etc. when it comes to deep bass extension. In fact its deep bass extension seems to be more similar
to the sealed Emotiva Ultra 10 than the Ultra 12. However output above 35hz seems closer to the Ultra 12.

In the end, the Ultra 12 is a better performing sub for $90 more
post #1262 of 1392
Based on the reviews here and elsewhere, I just ordered a pair of LPS08's for my entertainment center. They will replace a pair of fried Infinity PS10's. I considered going for the LPS10's but think a pair of LPS08's will be sufficient for the type of listening I do. The Inifinities were just awful, audio quality-wise, very muddy and boomy and I am actually glad (in some twisted way) that they went south. I will report back when I get the Lava subs with impressions, after I have calibrated and fully integrated them and had a chance to do some listening tests. Something tells me they are going to work out very well (I'm optimistic)!
post #1263 of 1392
So is there still an AVS discount for the LSP-12 and how much. In terms of getting low/performance, how does it compare to the PL-200 in music games and movies. I am looking for a sub 300 dollar all around sub. I know these are budget subs but I still want the best bang for the buck
post #1264 of 1392
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Originally Posted by edo101 View Post

So is there still an AVS discount for the LSP-12 and how much. In terms of getting low/performance, how does it compare to the PL-200 in music games and movies. I am looking for a sub 300 dollar all around sub. I know these are budget subs but I still want the best bang for the buck

Yep just talk to the Lava Customer Service

The Bic is better for movies the Lava is better for Music so pick your preference
post #1265 of 1392
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Originally Posted by crazyrob425 View Post

Yep just talk to the Lava Customer Service

The Bic is better for movies the Lava is better for Music so pick your preference

Damn, I want all around performance
post #1266 of 1392
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Originally Posted by edo101 View Post

Damn, I want all around performance

All around I would get the Lava
post #1267 of 1392
Hey guys. I got some ORB satellites that don't do much below 120hz. That's what they recommend for the subwoofer crossover. My current sub gets way too boomy and farty at more than 80hz or so, so I was hoping a Lava would do the trick.

The Lava 8 inch is pretty much as big as i'd like to go for my space. It supposedly has a pretty wide frequency range, but will it fart? Any insight is appreciated. That looks like quite the sub for less than $200.
post #1268 of 1392
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Originally Posted by Darth Bawl View Post

Hey guys. I got some ORB satellites that don't do much below 120hz. That's what they recommend for the subwoofer crossover. My current sub gets way too boomy and farty at more than 80hz or so, so I was hoping a Lava would do the trick.

The Lava 8 inch is pretty much as big as i'd like to go for my space. It supposedly has a pretty wide frequency range, but will it fart? Any insight is appreciated. That looks like quite the sub for less than $200.

Whats your current subwoofer? I would suggest the lsp10 at least 8" sub's are pointless
post #1269 of 1392
So LSP10 owners what are ya'lls experience with it. I don't like the sound of the hum problem. I a living in a small room and a small dorm in college so a 10" seems to be the right fit for me. I was thinking about going for the PL-200 since its on sale for 250 but its big and also from what i hear not very musical.
post #1270 of 1392
I don't seem to get much bass lower than 45Hz with my LSP12 (near silent at 40hz and lower), is this normal?
Edit: nevermind, I guess this kind of answers my question

@edo101: LSP10 was great, I've owned both the 10 and 12, they have their pros and cons. the 10 is a bit warmer sounding, and the 12 is a bit deeper and more powerful sounding. never had any hum problems with proper wires

@Darth Bawl: I too have a 120hz crossover, the lavas are pretty good. but the volume does dip a bit in the higher ranges. placement of sub is most important though.
post #1271 of 1392
I'm trying to decide between the 12 or 10 Lava and the Polk PSW505 which is currently very tempting at $179 on newegg. Is the higher price on the Lavas worth it? Why? Is the Lsp12 really $108 better than than the PSW505? Would appreciate any feedback from folks that have heard both.
post #1272 of 1392
While I think that the Lava is a great sounding sub for the money in terms of output and SQ, im not so sure if its worth another $108 over the Polk. If you are willing to spend $300, I would also check out the Cadence CSX-12 MkII for $299 shipped with checkout code CA100

http://www.cadencehometheaterspeaker...6&idcategory=2
post #1273 of 1392
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Originally Posted by LeetMiniWheat View Post

I don't seem to get much bass lower than 45Hz with my LSP12 (near silent at 40hz and lower), is this normal?
Edit: nevermind, I guess this kind of answers my question

That was outdoor and not in-room response the two are different

And at 30hz outdoor its at 75db. Which is Audible, so you might have gotten a dud.
Might want to make a Test Tone CD and get an SPL meter and do some measurements of your room
post #1274 of 1392
Hi Kesando, Want to order Cadence CSX-12 MkII, and tried the coupon code CS100 but getting "Invalid discount or gift code". Is it a right code?
post #1275 of 1392
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Originally Posted by sikkandar View Post

Hi Kesando, Want to order Cadence CSX-12 MkII, and tried the coupon code CS100 but getting "Invalid discount or gift code". Is it a right code?

Sorry about that. The correct checkout code is CA100.

I will edit my post above
post #1276 of 1392
In for 1xLSP12 to pair with my Energy RC-10s. My decision was made in large part due to the feedback in this thread. The 40ish pages made for fascinating reading . Peggy and Co. seem to really do right by their customers, and that's a huge plus.

-cybowolf
post #1277 of 1392
yeah i just read the 40 pages too, are they any more reviews on the 10" model?
I too have the rc-10 and just wondering if any of you guys have heard both and your oppinions? the more the marrier Is this sub for the money one of the better buys for home theater and music?
post #1278 of 1392
Well, finally got my LSP12 hooked up with the RC-10's and it sounds phenomenal. Already 1 complaint from my neighbor, which I consider a win . Obviously I have no experience with the 10, but the 12 is sweetly tight with both music and movies. My room is ~20x20x10, so if yours is relatively smaller, you may be well served by the 10. With the AVS discount and 30 day return, maybe it's worth a go? If one thing I learned in my speaker shopping, you never really know how stuff sounds till you get it in your home.

-cybowolf
post #1279 of 1392
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Originally Posted by FCAMARO24 View Post

yeah i just read the 40 pages too, are they any more reviews on the 10" model?
I too have the rc-10 and just wondering if any of you guys have heard both and your oppinions? the more the marrier Is this sub for the money one of the better buys for home theater and music?

I've just ordered the LSP-10 for my system. I have a small 12x13 room with 9ft ceiling so it should be plenty. I am replacing an old 8" JBL subwoofer so I expect a big improvement. Money is tight (retired) so I looked around a lot before I found this thread. Thanks to whoever started the 15% AVS discount! I expect to receive the sub Friday and I'll be sure to let you know how I like it.
post #1280 of 1392
I just ordered an LSP-10 as well; I live in an apartment with neighbors, so I figured the 12" might be overkill. I'm running a 2-channel stereo receiver, though, and nobody in this thread seems to have anything to say about what it sounds like when you use the speaker-level inputs. I imagine it'll have that 13 dB boost at 40 Hz, but other than that?
post #1281 of 1392
I've had an LSP-10 for about a month or so now in my 12x18 room. It fills that space pretty well, but I also placed it close to the couch to get a better effect.

I'm pretty pleased with it's performance, although I'll likely upgrade once I move out of my apartment into my own place. For now though, it performs and sounds great.
post #1282 of 1392
Thinking of picking up a LSP08 for small bedroom. Is this sub boomy? Main use is Music, some movie and some gaming. Does anyone own one? Seem's like everyone has the 10 or the 12 but those are too big for me.
post #1283 of 1392
Well according to UPS tracking my subwoofer is about 150 miles away and will probably stay there until Monday. Monday will be the 5th business day so I can't really complain. The ordering process was very simple. I emailed them my AVS screen name on Saturday and they sent me the discount code on Monday. Unfortunately I had to work (Part time) so I didn't place the order until Monday evening. On Tuesday I received my tracking information and have followed the package all the way across the country from Utah to North Carolina. If it was just about 5 hours quicker I probably would have received it today. All in all everything has gone as advertised.
post #1284 of 1392
Well i just started testing out my lava lsp12 sub past few days and so far I have to say im not impressed, it was only 270 with some discounts but even with that being said im still a little bummed. Well first thing I noticed was how small this sub is, its only a lilttle bit bigger then a polk psw10, second was the the lack of bass extension, and third was the port noise. They do have great customer service though and I will say this sub is a musical sub if not pushed, but doesnt do well well with hip hop/ RnB. But its quite accurate when played at the 10-12 oclock region with most music that I have tested. So if one wanted a music only sub then i would def recommend this sub for the price. Now for me , I wanted an all around sub. Which you def need to spend more. But My whole reason for the purchase was to get rid of my home theater in a box, So I got RC-10's and a veritas mini center, and a yamaha rx-471, and some older sony bookshelfs as rear surrounds. Sounds very nice for what I paid, then I needed a sub so i wanted to try this. For movies most things with explosions and loud booms causes port noise, that ruins the effect of movies, its very distracting. So im gonna play with this for a little more and then probably send it back, it came with a dent in a corner which wasnt a big deal because i got it so cheap and they have been great to me,but a dent and port noise is to much for home theater use. The only home subs i have heard is a polk psw10 and a rythmik fv12 (which sounds awesome by the way, completly differnet league in price 500$ and quality and sound.) And I do own a few car audio subs with ported boxes that I have built. jl 10w7 and idmax12. So i have been around a few ported subs. I will post more if anything changes
post #1285 of 1392
I was able to hear fcamaro24's setup, those rc10s are pretty damn good for the price. I currently own a pioneer vsx9040thx, ascend acoustic sierras and a rythmik fv12. I too was very disapointed in the lava sub, the best way to describe its ovall performance is that the bass gets lost within it enclosure. There is no dig to the sub, it produces tight bass for music that can blend well with the fronts but there is no feel to the bass. We played a scene from serenity in the begining when the spaceship takes off, a scene we have both experienced on the FV12, the lavas port noise was too much we had to turn the db down and we could not feel any bass only hear it. I went home and played that scene again on the rythmik and it feels like i am actually standing behind the ship when it takes off, the sub just creeps inside you shakes everything. I know the lava is not in the same league becasue it cost alot less but i have heard that this sub is a BIC pl200 killer and with all the positive input for that sub i expected more i guess. I do not recommend this sub for anybody looking for hometheater use.
post #1286 of 1392
I wouldn't call the Lava a BIC killer however the general consensus is that it is much tighter sounding than the PL200 with music where with movies, the BIC shines. That said, I too have heard the Lava in a dual sub setup, and while good for the money, you do get what you pay for.

Coming from three 12" SVS subs in my own setup, I found dual Lava's to be impressive but only when placed nearfield. The Rythmik FV12 seems like a great sub from what I've seen and perhaps it would be best to wait and save up for one.
post #1287 of 1392
I've been listening to my LSP-10 all weekend, and I have to say, I'm pretty impressed. As I mentioned above, I'm running it off the speaker-level inputs (cheap 2.0 receiver). I set up the crossover and volume using my phone's SPL meter app, so I'm sure it wasn't accurate, but it sounds pretty good. I wasn't able to do the sub crawl for placement, as there's only one spot in the apartment that was acceptable to the fiancee. The listening area is about 16'x13', but open on one side.

The first thing I noticed, since this was my first subwoofer, is that a lot of the music I listen to lacks a lot of bass to begin with. I switched to something "bassier," and the first thing I noticed was how "tight" the bass sounded. This was a concern for me, since I bought it primarily for music and I was worried that a ported sub might be too "boomy."

As other posters have noted, the frequency response really does start to drop off under 40 Hz, but it still moves plenty of air at 25 Hz. Unless you sit around listening to test tones all day, this sub sounds great for music. It's held up to various genres of extreme metal, dubstep, and all the pop music we could throw at it.

As for movies, it shook the room pretty well. We didn't watch any super-bass-heavy movies, but it sounded fairly boomy on "The Dark Knight." It was a definite improvement over not having a sub, and it wasn't distracting, but it definitely handles a kick drum better than a car crash. Later in the evening, we put on the original "Transformers" from 1986. Orson Welles's pitch-shifted voice sounded excellent, but in all fairness, we'd had quite a few beers and weren't listening critically.

In terms of its tonal qualities, it's definitely not as lively as the Paradigm bookshelf speakers. Those (Mini Monitor v6) have a much brighter, warmer sound, whereas the Lava sub is a bit more subdued. It's not a bad thing, but possibly not the best match ever. I'm going to reserve judgement on that until I can get my hands on an A/V receiver, so I can use the LFE input and the receiver's crossover instead of running it alongside full-range speakers.

Overall, I'm pleased with the purchase; I think it was a great value for the money. Definitely not perfect, even to my noob sensibilities, but it's a welcome addition to my setup, and it gets the job done. Thanks to the folks on this forum who pointed me in the right direction!
post #1288 of 1392
I'll have to agree. Received my LSP10 today on day 5 from UPS. I watched "Independence Day" and thoroughly enjoyed the improvement. Very tight sound, no boominess (Guess that's not a word). Then I put in War of the Worlds and even with a standard DVD (Not Blue Ray) it really shined. Again, I have a small room. If my wife let me I still would have gotten the 12" but this is a great improvement from my 8" sub. I'll try some music tomorrow.
post #1289 of 1392
Tdercole: did you try messing around with placement? I first had the subs (2 10's) in a back corner and had no bass. Moved it to the opposite corner and ut was wonderful. Then tried them on the left and right of the tv and was not happy. Moved back to the same back corner with the addition of a table (which spaced out the couch and love seat which I am assuming was absorbing all the air pressure) and could not be happier...till the bug comes back.

Now for the port noise I heard this as well when I was not feeling the spl when the subs we just up against the wall. I have yet to hear it now where they are.

On a side note system was calibrated with audessey on a denon 1611.

One last thing, did you try messing with polarity? It could be a phase issue as the amp does add some delay on these units as per audesseys calculations.
post #1290 of 1392
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Originally Posted by scoobdude View Post

Tdercole: did you try messing around with placement? I first had the subs (2 10's) in a back corner and had no bass. Moved it to the opposite corner and ut was wonderful. Then tried them on the left and right of the tv and was not happy. Moved back to the same back corner with the addition of a table (which spaced out the couch and love seat which I am assuming was absorbing all the air pressure) and could not be happier...till the bug comes back.

Now for the port noise I heard this as well when I was not feeling the spl when the subs we just up against the wall. I have yet to hear it now where they are.

On a side note system was calibrated with audessey on a denon 1611.

One last thing, did you try messing with polarity? It could be a phase issue as the amp does add some delay on these units as per audesseys calculations.

The set up he listened to was mine, I have moved it to the other corner and there was more audible bass but there was still port noise, if there is port noise on any giving sub that will not change, as that has to do with the box and tunning itself you may get more sound out of the sub by moving it but the port noise doesnt vanish . As far as audessy and ypao I have ypao and everything checks out in phase with that, but I dont use it, I dont trust the calibrations my ears let me know where they need to be. You say check the phase but there is only one lfe wire going to it and its pluged in the same outlet unless the sub is internally via the amp
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