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post #1291 of 1392
The lava 12 looks like a good option for me. I plan on getting polk monitor 70's, 40's and a cs2. Not sure what my receiver will be yet. I was originally going with the BIC pl200 but started reading this thread. Do you think the lava will work well with the polks? I currently have a polk 5.1 system with an 8" sub.
post #1292 of 1392
If port noise is tolerable for you folks then buy this sub, its pretty tight but really lacks the impact and extension for movies. I would suggest saving a few more pennies and getting a rythmik or hsu research sub.
post #1293 of 1392
Thank you for the recent reviews. I have dual 12's and have had no issues with port noise.
post #1294 of 1392
If you are getting port noise with this sub then you simply didn't buy enough sub for your room. I too have heard duals of the LSP12 and while lacking the deepest of bass extension, they remain clean even during dynamic movie passages when properly setup.
post #1295 of 1392
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Originally Posted by kesando View Post

If you are getting port noise with this sub then you simply didn't buy enough sub for your room. I too have heard duals of the LSP12 and while lacking the deepest of bass extension, they remain clean even during dynamic movie passages when properly setup.

That's the lingo I was looking to get across
post #1296 of 1392
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Originally Posted by kesando View Post

If you are getting port noise with this sub then you simply didn't buy enough sub for your room. I too have heard duals of the LSP12 and while lacking the deepest of bass extension, they remain clean even during dynamic movie passages when properly setup.

I havent heard 2 in the same room but I can comment on the the one it was tried in multiple houses in mulitple locations. Maybe i got a dud who knows, but You can tell just from the size of that box that it will not dig. My ported 10 subs i have are in bigger boxes. I have also heard a bic f12 since then and even that had more extension and hit the lower notes and that was 100 dollars less, it def wasnt as musical but for 188 cant ask for much more. I was just giving my review on the one lsp12 for my setup.
post #1297 of 1392
Sorry, wrong thread.
post #1298 of 1392
Thanks for the info guys, I think I'm going to run with dual lsp10's and see how that works out.
post #1299 of 1392
Just finished reading the entire thread. I'm still stuck in between buying an LSP12 or waiting another 6 months or so to save up for a ~$500 sub.

I'm currently running a 5.0 setup with an Onkyo 616.

Pioneer SP-FS51-LR
Pioneer SP-C21
Pioneer SP-BS21-LR

These speakers will not be updated for at least 2 years, I just got them. Would a ~$500 sub overwhelm these speakers in a smaller sized living room? Would the Lava still satisfy me when I upgrade my 5.0 to something in the range of $1500-2000 for 5 speakers?

Thanks for the help. I think for $250 I'd just order one of these now, but for $295 I'm really not far off from the next tier of quality in the ~$500 range.
post #1300 of 1392
why not get an Energy s10.3 for 199-250 depending on the sale?
post #1301 of 1392
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Originally Posted by emr25 View Post

Just finished reading the entire thread. I'm still stuck in between buying an LSP12 or waiting another 6 months or so to save up for a ~$500 sub.
I'm currently running a 5.0 setup with an Onkyo 616.
Pioneer SP-FS51-LR
Pioneer SP-C21
Pioneer SP-BS21-LR
These speakers will not be updated for at least 2 years, I just got them. Would a ~$500 sub overwhelm these speakers in a smaller sized living room? Would the Lava still satisfy me when I upgrade my 5.0 to something in the range of $1500-2000 for 5 speakers?
Thanks for the help. I think for $250 I'd just order one of these now, but for $295 I'm really not far off from the next tier of quality in the ~$500 range.

I got the 2 lava 10's. The price I got them for was on sale I believe, which they were running periodically.

I have a very large,open room and found them to be quite good. I can "feel" them sometimes and as far as movie watching goes, when the bass hits it hits. No problem so far.

Connected to a Denon avr using the auto calibration on that.
post #1302 of 1392
Too bad you didn't wait until the Energy S10.3 goes on sale for as little at $170 each. The Energy is more of a true sub than the LAVAs.
post #1303 of 1392
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Originally Posted by spyboy View Post

Too bad you didn't wait until the Energy S10.3 goes on sale for as little at $170 each. The Energy is more of a true sub than the LAVAs.

I have no regrets thus far. And if you wait, you're always going to be waiting. Surely someone will say the same thing about your Energy S10.3's...
post #1304 of 1392
No. They go on sale ALL the time...
post #1305 of 1392
I mean if you wait for the next best thing. Something better is always coming out, at a better price too. This forum wouldn't be around otherwise lol.

Eventually, you need to make a decision.
post #1306 of 1392
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Originally Posted by caper_1 View Post

No. They go on sale ALL the time...


That says it all. Just remember when you get the itch to upgrade that if you had waited a couple of days you could have scored a much better performer, the Energy S10.3.

These measurements of the S10.3 were made by Sound&Vision magazine.

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Even now Newegg has the Energy S10.3 for $199.99 delivered.
post #1307 of 1392
What is the point in trying to force someone to agree with your opinion? I don't get it, its like you are trying to make people feel inferior if they don't choose your opinion.

Also, I had the lava 10 "s over a year now.
post #1308 of 1392
Like many others here on AVS, I always try to help people get the best performance for their money. You are not the only one who really likes LAVA. The starter of this thread is one of them.

I can relate to your feelings. I own a subwoofer that some people might laugh at, but I like it very much smile.gif
post #1309 of 1392
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Originally Posted by Love2Listen View Post

As I mentioned before, I purchased both the Lava LSP12 and the Bic PL-200 to try to determine which was the better budget subwoofer. I have posted some of the physical differences between the two. Those differences are perhaps not as meaningful as the difference in sound. It is difficult for me to give anything but my opinion when it comes to the difference in sound. My opinion is that the Lava LSP12 is by far the better sounding sub. Perhaps my opinion is colored by the fact that the driver on the Lava is roughly twice the size, but my experience is that the size matters when it comes to the sound in this case. The two subs look the same when it comes to specifications, but when you open the boxes and then plug them in, the differences become obvious. I have to say that for roughly the same price, it is a fairly easy choice to pick the Lava LSP12 over the Bic PL-200. It just seems to me to be the all-around better subwoofer. I'm happy to provide something more definitive than my opinion if someone has specific questions. My capabilities are limited when compared with most others on this forum, but I'm happy to do what I can.

The lack of quality in the BIC driver surprises me. I have been high on BIC recently, as I have only just begun my Budget Home Theater Journey to Acoustical (sort of) Bliss. I did a lot of research and decided for my 7 speakers to go with the BIC Venturi line. I heard many good things about it, from "gurus", as well as "regular owners". A couple of them remarked how impressed they were that the BIC venturis used quality parts that were very easy to tweak into even better sound.

Anyway, with the DV64 towers as mains, the 62CLRS as center channel, the DV62si as surrounds, and the DV52si as rear surrounds, I absolutely friggin' LOVE my HT now. These speakers really make my Onkyo TX-NR609 come to life!

Naturally, with my positive experience with these speakers, I was gravitating towards the PL200 for my sub, thus brand matching all the way around. However, after reading multiple comparisons of the PL200 with the LSP12, I would like to get the Lava.

But the low end drop off does concern me a bit on the Lava. Many people I asked also recommended the Klipsch RW-12D, since it is currently on sale at $299. However, I got mixed feelings reading owner reviews of the Klipsch. As far as raw SPL, yeah, the RW-12D probably takes the cake with the more powerful amp and bigger cabinet, BUT my goal is to find the best blend of SPL and SQ at my meager price range soooo...it seems the Lava does offer the best compromise between the two. In addition, I've never been a fan of buying discontinued models, either.

I would like for some more LSP12 owners to chime in here specifically about the subs ability to go below 35hz. Several owners on this thread have already remarked that they feel their LSP12 does, in fact, dig lower than the Audioholics review seems to suggest, and that's the kind of input that will push me over the edge into a buy...

Any more input would be greatly appreciated. Of all my HT components, the sub has been the most difficult decision, by far.

p.s. as a frame of reference yes, I have little to no HT experience, but I do have car audio experience and I know good bass when I hear it. I have two Kicker L7 twelves (750w RMS each) perfectly matched to a Kicker zx1500.1 class D mono block amp and these suckas set off car alarms all the time, even after 6 years. I have them in a really cool sealed box that faces the subs at each other about 12" apart and then ports them through my back seat arm rest. Box is tuned at about 30hz. I get a free back massage every time I rock it out.
Edited by mfrey0118 - 9/8/12 at 7:41am
post #1310 of 1392
OK...We really aren't concerned with 'automotive' experience. rolleyes.gif

But to answer you, the BEST thing you can do IF you want QUALITY bass, is DIY. cool.gif
post #1311 of 1392
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Originally Posted by Splicer010 View Post

OK...We really aren't concerned with 'automotive' experience. rolleyes.gif

But to answer you, the BEST thing you can do IF you want QUALITY bass, is DIY. cool.gif

I know DIY is best and I really think ultimately that will be my route, as I'm definitely more of a DIY guy. But being this is my first sub ever for HT beyond the cheezy HTiB types, I want to buy a production unit first. Besides, the DIY method will still run me upwards of $500 and I can't do that at this time.
post #1312 of 1392
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Originally Posted by mfrey0118 View Post

p.s. as a frame of reference yes, I have little to no HT experience, but I do have car audio experience and I know good bass when I hear it. I have two Kicker L7 twelves (750w RMS each) perfectly matched to a Kicker zx1500.1 class D mono block amp and these suckas set off car alarms all the time, even after 6 years. I have them in a really cool sealed box that faces the subs at each other about 12" apart and then ports them through my back seat arm rest. Box is tuned at about 30hz. I get a free back massage every time I rock it out.

If this is your sub experience, be prepared to be underwhelmed by any HT sub you choose. Best to go with the max SPL you can get because you won't even come close to that kind of bass response in a house without spending way, way more. The Klipsch RW-12d seems the best choice for you.
post #1313 of 1392
Understood. However, I think I MAY have $500 TOTAL in the TWO subs. Get the amp & driver @ Parts Express and you can make about any cabinet work. Even an auto sub box will work...wink.gif
post #1314 of 1392
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Originally Posted by cel4145 View Post

If this is your sub experience, be prepared to be underwhelmed by any HT sub you choose. Best to go with the max SPL you can get because you won't even come close to that kind of bass response in a house without spending way, way more. The Klipsch RW-12d seems the best choice for you.

Oh, I know I can't come close. Physically impossible, my car cab is like an extended cabinet, can't compare to an open room in a house.

So I'm not going for SPL, but SQ. Even with my car system, I went for SQ instead of SPL. Got two Kicker SSMB08 8" midbass drivers on a 600 watt kicker SX600.2 2 channel handling 75-150hz on a 18db/octave curve. 4 kicker ss65s on a separate kicker sx900.4 amp, 3 dry cells, and a 20 farad Tsunami capcitor. Got 0 guage all the way around and each battery/amp gounded straight to the chassis...sound proofing all the way around on the frame, custom rear deck to hold the 2 6 1/2s and 2 8s...system is so stable, I can idle with it cranked all the way up and the lights won't so much as dim, using my 20 year old factory 80amp Honda alternator...This system has been rock solid since 2006, and that's in high humidity, high temp south Florida. I had a lot more $ to throw around back then...

anyway, back to the topic...biggrin.gif
post #1315 of 1392
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Originally Posted by Splicer010 View Post

Understood. However, I think I MAY have $500 TOTAL in the TWO subs. Get the amp & driver @ Parts Express and you can make about any cabinet work. Even an auto sub box will work...wink.gif

Splicer, can you PM me some pics of your DIY setup?
post #1316 of 1392
We can PM pics???confused.gif
post #1317 of 1392
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Originally Posted by Splicer010 View Post

We can PM pics???confused.gif


Uhhhhh....*eyes glaze over, drool oozes out corner of mouth and onto chin*

...yes if you open the pm box the image icon is there.
post #1318 of 1392
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Originally Posted by mfrey0118 View Post

Uhhhhh....*eyes glaze over, drool oozes out corner of mouth and onto chin*
...yes if you open the pm box the image icon is there.
Sorry. Don't use PM really since the new format. PM sent.
post #1319 of 1392
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Originally Posted by Splicer010 View Post

Sorry. Don't use PM really since the new format. PM sent.

Haha...no sarcasm intended, when you asked me I had the above reaction because I had no clue if you could PM pics I just assumed you could.
post #1320 of 1392
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Originally Posted by mfrey0118 View Post

Oh, I know I can't come close. Physically impossible, my car cab is like an extended cabinet, can't compare to an open room in a house.

You might be surprised at how many people don't realize that smile.gif

As for whether or not the Lava sub does better in the < 35Hz range than the Audioholics review suggests, it probably does in instances where people are benefiting from room gain. If you are willing to bet on that, you should also be researching the Premier Acoutics PA-120 and PA-150 subs. Lot of positive testimonials on here for their SQ over the BIC subs.
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